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[Mister Mage]

hawat333 wrote...

But if you see the circumstances, you see that's not true. I dunno about Liara, but for Ash/Kaidan they still have strong feelings. That's one of the reasons they are acting this way.

For Liara, she's on a quest for revenge.

Why?

Shadow Broker was going to sell your body to the Collectors.  That kind of pissed her off.

[Badpie]

DarthCaine wrote...

Shavon wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm sure BioWare will find some ridiculous reason why it's "cheating", when in fact the ME1 thing was a one night stand and your ME1 LI it totally not into you anymore

That's a load of crap

Your ME1 LI only slept with you 'cos they thought they were about to die

The relationship had been building for months and they both expressed that were special to each other way before they had sex.  And then since there is a month between the first game and this one, they had that time too.  I don't know why everyone thinks it's a one night stand.  That's not at all what Bioware intended and it's not at all how it played out.

And why does everyone only see things in black and white when it comes to them in ME2?  There are layers, people!  You can't simplify something like Horizon with a simple "well they don't care anymore" thing because a) it's complicated and CLEARLy they do care or they wouldn't have been so upset.

How do some of you navigate real life interpersonal social relationships when you can't infer anything?

[Wintermist]

Mister Mage wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

But if you see the circumstances, you see that's not true. I dunno about Liara, but for Ash/Kaidan they still have strong feelings. That's one of the reasons they are acting this way.

For Liara, she's on a quest for revenge.

Why?

Shadow Broker was going to sell your body to the Collectors.  That kind of pissed her off.

Yeah, but why take it out on Shepard, there's no logic to it.

[jimmyjoefro]

Liara tells you that she's being watched and can't be as open with you as she would like to be.

[Shadow-Novus]

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm sure BioWare will find some ridiculous reason why it's "cheating", when in fact the ME1 thing was a one night stand and your ME1 LI it totally not into you anymore

Well to be fair, the time between the end of ME1 and the very beginning of ME2 is a few months so that's plenty of time to further the relationship.

Oh and, while to us all powerful beings known as gamers, that can manipulate the very fabric of time to the point it feels like Shepard's adventure in ME1 was only a few hours, the actual time between the beginning and end of the first game isn't just a few days. So it's not like Shepard and his/her love interest knew each other for a short time.


EDIT: Badpie beat me to it.

Modifié par Shadow-Novus, 02 février 2010 - 08:18 .

[Matterialize]

She isn't taking it out on Shepard. She is never pissed off at you.

[Wintermist]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Liara tells you that she's being watched and can't be as open with you as she would like to be.

Ah of course, because Shepard himself makes every effort not to be spotted. Nah, that's not it.

If anything Liara's indoctrinated by the Writers and can't act on her emotion.

[Mister Mage]

Wintermist wrote...

Mister Mage wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

But if you see the circumstances, you see that's not true. I dunno about Liara, but for Ash/Kaidan they still have strong feelings. That's one of the reasons they are acting this way.

For Liara, she's on a quest for revenge.

Why?

Shadow Broker was going to sell your body to the Collectors.  That kind of pissed her off.

Yeah, but why take it out on Shepard, there's no logic to it.

She doesn't.  She's lived the past couple years not being able to trust anyone.  When she sees you, she knows she doesn't trust the walls to not have ears.  She trusts you with a job that she doesn't trust anybody else to do.  Menial?  Maybe.  Part of a big revenge plot?  Probably.

And she feels bad that she gave your body to Cerberus.  She almost feels like she made a deal with the devil to get Shepard back.

I dunno, it makes sense to me that she'd be a huge jumble of emotions and distrust of the world around her.

[Daewan]

Well if you have no emotional attachment to your original LI, you don't care enough to find out their motivations, and you aren't sympathetic enough to understand their behavior, then no, you probably shouldn't waste any time being faithful. Go bang the new shiny hot chicks.

[ratzerman]

Felix Golden wrote...

Thats what it felt like to me. "Wham bam thank you."

Hell even in the intro, i imported my save where liara was my love interest and who comes charging up and not wanting to leave my side? ASHLEY, i got the feeling Liara was just in it for a fun one nighter and ashley was more of a long haul person

The fact that my squadmate and not my love interest didnt wanna leave my side was kinda a slap in the face for the relationship

Ummmmm.... I romanced Liara, and she was the one who came to help me at the beginning.  She's also the one who rescues you from the Shadow Broker and the Collectors, and she basically ruins her own life to do it.  She obviously wasn't in it for a one nighter.

 If you don't want to be with Liara anymore, great.  Just don't pull made up reasons out of thin air.

[ERJAK2]

Wintermist wrote...

The whole "You'll get punished in Mass effect 3 if you don't stay faithful Mass Effect 2" has me confused and irritated. What reason is there to stay "faithful" to something that isn't there? You're brushed off. You got the hand. The shrug and "Did we know eachother" treatment.

I can understand Ashley being upset in a way, but Liara is just weird. I remember first thinking, what's this, and got annoyed and hooked up with Tali since Liara obviously didn't want anymore than what she got.

Honestly, I stayed true because the other romance options(femshep) stink like rotten milk.

[jimmyjoefro]

It makes sense that if she's a rival information broker, that the Shadow Broker will have her being watched. This is confirmed when the Observer is actually her secretary. That's even leaving out the who plot by Liara to kill the Shadow Broker.

[jlb524]

Wintermist wrote...

Yeah, but why take it out on Shepard, there's no logic to it.

Liara doesn't take anything out on Shepard.   She gave mine a kiss and a hug, then asked her to help her gain some information.

Liara hasn't wronged my Shepard in any way.

[vigna]

Tali doesn't even bring up Liara, ash/kaidan in the conversations...pretty funny. She doesn't seem to care.

[ScimitarMoon]

Because one wants to?  Because you can?  Because it's what one feels is right for their Shepard?  It's all up to personal perference.

[Badpie]

Matterialize wrote...

Remain faithful if you care about them, that's why.

This is exactly it.  In a nutshell.

It's not about "we were on a break."  It's not about what you can get away with either.   Hell it's not EVEN about how Ash or Kaidan feel.

It's about how your Shepard feels.  If you Shepard still cares for them that's all the reason you need to be faithful for the time being.

[Matterialize]

Wintermist wrote...
Ah of course, because Shepard himself makes every effort not to be spotted. Nah, that's not it.

If anything Liara's indoctrinated by the Writers and can't act on her emotion.

You trollin', boy? She can't discuss her motives or what she already knows about the Shadow Broker because the walls of her office have ears. Even her secretary was working against her. The fact that she's an acquaintance of Shepard is common knowledge, and he doesn't need to hide his existence to do his job, so what are you talking about?

[Wintermist]

But the whole damn world already know that Shepard is alive and kicking. I can udnerstand Liara's lust for revenge, but that doesn't stop her from being with Shepard anyway. I don't get the connection between it. She can do both, I would do both. I wouldn't bring my "love" back to life and then just back off.



I'd be happy as hell it actually worked and keep him/her close thereafter. If people do otherwise and think it's right, then we just don't have the same priorities and I can accept that. But to me it's all too weird.

[CanadAvenger]

Felix Golden wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Shavon wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm sure BioWare will find some ridiculous reason why it's "cheating", when in fact the ME1 thing was a one night stand and your ME1 LI it totally not into you anymore

That's a load of crap

Your ME1 LI only slept with you 'cos they thought they were about to die

Thats what it felt like to me. "Wham bam thank you."

Hell even in the intro, i imported my save where liara was my love interest and who comes charging up and not wanting to leave my side? ASHLEY, i got the feeling Liara was just in it for a fun one nighter and ashley was more of a long haul person

The fact that my squadmate and not my love interest didnt wanna leave my side was kinda a slap in the face for the relationship

Im assuming I got the right impression from this post, but to me in ME1, Liara actually did really like you, every time you talked to her she seemed to get all nervous and giddy. I will admit that the love scene was sorta a one night stand, but I will say that it was more than that. She wanted to spent her possible final moments with someone that she actually cared for emotionally.

In ME2 she is a lot more cold, but this is because of events in the comic series and of the often skipped dialog option. So to me, I would remain loyal - and I really want to see what happens in ME3 regarding it.

[Bailyn242]

My Male Shep is my first playthrough and I've taken up with Miranda this run through. I've got a half completed replay of ME1 on this Shep that I will run through ME2 again where he stays loyal to Liara.



I've also got a Fem Shep who'll stay with Liara and I'll be starting a brand new Shepard who I'll romance Tali with and probably one renegade Male Shep who'll romance Jack. I flat love the universe and look forward to exploring all the potential options.

[Felix Golden]

CanadAvenger wrote...

Felix Golden wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Shavon wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm sure BioWare will find some ridiculous reason why it's "cheating", when in fact the ME1 thing was a one night stand and your ME1 LI it totally not into you anymore

That's a load of crap

Your ME1 LI only slept with you 'cos they thought they were about to die

Thats what it felt like to me. "Wham bam thank you."

Hell even in the intro, i imported my save where liara was my love interest and who comes charging up and not wanting to leave my side? ASHLEY, i got the feeling Liara was just in it for a fun one nighter and ashley was more of a long haul person

The fact that my squadmate and not my love interest didnt wanna leave my side was kinda a slap in the face for the relationship

Im assuming I got the right impression from this post, but to me in ME1, Liara actually did really like you, every time you talked to her she seemed to get all nervous and giddy. I will admit that the love scene was sorta a one night stand, but I will say that it was more than that. She wanted to spent her possible final moments with someone that she actually cared for emotionally.

In ME2 she is a lot more cold, but this is because of events in the comic series and of the often skipped dialog option. So to me, I would remain loyal - and I really want to see what happens in ME3 regarding it.

I seemed to have missed the timeline honestly, i thought that the opening of ME2 was days after the citadel instead of months, couple that with my favorite chara from ME1 wasnt romancable i jumped at the chance to romance her this time around.

When ME3 comes out i will probbobly be completly loyal all the way through.

[BoogieManFL]

Seems to me Ashley was more concerned with promoting her own xenophobia and beliefs on Cerberus to stay with Shepard. Seems like they betrayed us. You'd think after losing someone important for two years, and suddenly they were back you'd be ready to take such an amazing gift and look past the other problems.



Kaiden and Ashley are both Human, who think less of Cereberus a pro-human (and some people think anti-alien) group with blurry ethics and morals but look at it this - Aliens like Tali and Garrus stayed loyal in spite of Cerberus' presence because they trusted Sherpard. Even Dr. Chakwas did.

[Mox Ruuga]

Since Bioware has spared Liara and the Virmire survivor from the quite-possibly-lethal ME2 squaddie role, I can only think they will have much larger roles in ME1. The fact that they will be in every ME3 game gives the writers much more room to write in their characters, and an opportunity for them to play a much more substantial role than anyone who was made "mortal" in the previous games.

I have to admit I am puzzled by the way Bioware handled their small roles in ME2, though. Most players deem them cold and uncaring, and Bioware themselves gleefully speculated that most people with returning ME1 romances would end up cheating in ME2. The "game" was rigged against the ME1 LIs.

So while I remain hopeful about their roles given their unique "always alive" status throughout the trilogy, I remain jittery over the rather dismissive and callous treatment they seemingly got in ME2. And the promise by Bioware to track how many people did actually end up "cheating". What will that be used for, I wonder?

Sigh, this board is full of petitions and speculations about who should return as squaddies in ME3. Most of the threads the ME1 LIs get are either angry blastings or confused wonderings.

Someone should make a "show of support" thread for Kaidan, Ash, and Liara.

[CanadAvenger]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Since Bioware has spared Liara and the Virmire survivor from the quite-possibly-lethal ME2 squaddie role, I can only think they will have much larger roles in ME1. The fact that they will be in every ME3 game gives the writers much more room to write in their characters, and an opportunity for them to play a much more substantial role than anyone who was made "mortal" in the previous games.

I have to admit I am puzzled by the way Bioware handled their small roles in ME2, though. Most players deem them cold and uncaring, and Bioware themselves gleefully speculated that most people with returning ME1 romances would end up cheating in ME2. The "game" was rigged against the ME1 LIs.

So while I remain hopeful about their roles given their unique "always alive" status throughout the trilogy, I remain jittery over the rather dismissive and callous treatment they seemingly got in ME2. And the promise by Bioware to track how many people did actually end up "cheating". What will that be used for, I wonder?

Sigh, this board is full of petitions and speculations about who should return as squaddies in ME3. Most of the threads the ME1 LIs get are either angry blastings or confused wonderings.

Someone should make a "show of support" thread for Kaidan, Ash, and Liara.

There is a private group for the "Ashley, Kaidan and Liara Fans Unite"
i tried joining lol.