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[jlb524]

vigna wrote...

Tali doesn't even bring up Liara, ash/kaidan in the conversations...pretty funny. She doesn't seem to care.

Tali probably doesn't know. 

Tali (or any of the new gals or guys) can hardly be blamed for Shepard cheating.  It's all on Shepard.

[Badpie]

jlb524 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Tali doesn't even bring up Liara, ash/kaidan in the conversations...pretty funny. She doesn't seem to care.

Tali probably doesn't know. 

Tali (or any of the new gals or guys) can hardly be blamed for Shepard cheating.  It's all on Shepard.

I don't know.  Everyone else seemed to know (everyone being Joker and Kelly).  But still you're right.  It's not on Tali to say "hey uh...aren't you in love with Ashley?"  It's Shepard's duty to say "That's sweet, Tali, but..."

Modifié par Badpie, 02 février 2010 - 08:53 .

[Bailyn242]

Felix Golden wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Shavon wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm sure BioWare will find some ridiculous reason why it's "cheating", when in fact the ME1 thing was a one night stand and your ME1 LI it totally not into you anymore

That's a load of crap

Your ME1 LI only slept with you 'cos they thought they were about to die

Thats what it felt like to me. "Wham bam thank you."

Hell even in the intro, i imported my save where liara was my love interest and who comes charging up and not wanting to leave my side? ASHLEY, i got the feeling Liara was just in it for a fun one nighter and ashley was more of a long haul person

The fact that my squadmate and not my love interest didnt wanna leave my side was kinda a slap in the face for the relationship

Actually in my imported save game it was Liara who wouldn't leave, my GF then went on to take my body from the Shadow Broker and bring me back to life. I have no idea what you are talking about. 

[Elias Grail]

Why remain faithful?



Well, perhaps because it's the right thing to do when you love someone? If you're playing a role, you play the role. If you'd rather play the game and get everything you can out on Mass Effect 2, then don't stay faithful. Being faithful in the game is about character, not about game playing.

[Badpie]

Elias Grail wrote...

Why remain faithful?

Well, perhaps because it's the right thing to do when you love someone? If you're playing a role, you play the role. If you'd rather play the game and get everything you can out on Mass Effect 2, then don't stay faithful. Being faithful in the game is about character, not about game playing.

QFT

[Wintermist]

Elias Grail wrote...

Why remain faithful?

Well, perhaps because it's the right thing to do when you love someone? If you're playing a role, you play the role. If you'd rather play the game and get everything you can out on Mass Effect 2, then don't stay faithful. Being faithful in the game is about character, not about game playing.

Ok, perhaps one should re-phrase the actual question so you can get into what really is asked. What reasons are given for you that you should feel you have someone to be faithful to?

[ratzerman]

CanadAvenger wrote...

There is a private group for the "Ashley, Kaidan and Liara Fans Unite"
i tried joining lol.

I'm an officer for that group.  We had to make it private to keep the trolls out.

But you should still be able to join.  Don't let the "private" thing scare you away.

[Nozybidaj]

Mister Mage wrote...

She doesn't.  She's lived the past couple years not being able to trust anyone.  When she sees you, she knows she doesn't trust the walls to not have ears.  She trusts you with a job that she doesn't trust anybody else to do.  Menial?  Maybe.  Part of a big revenge plot?  Probably.

And she feels bad that she gave your body to Cerberus.  She almost feels like she made a deal with the devil to get Shepard back.

I dunno, it makes sense to me that she'd be a huge jumble of emotions and distrust of the world around her.

Perhaps, but why not trust Shepard, why give him the cold shoulder and basically blow him off.? If she cared so much about him to go through hell to get him back why the completely stand offish attitude now that he actually is back?

And why would Shepard have that completely apathetic attitude toward the whole thing?  He doesn't so much as tell her he still cares, or that he'll be back after the mission is over, or even that he'll do everything in his power to set things right.  He is completely indifferent to the entire situation.

The entire scene with Liara is completely contrived and poorly written.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 02 février 2010 - 09:05 .

[MICHELLE7]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Since Bioware has spared Liara and the Virmire survivor from the quite-possibly-lethal ME2 squaddie role, I can only think they will have much larger roles in ME1. The fact that they will be in every ME3 game gives the writers much more room to write in their characters, and an opportunity for them to play a much more substantial role than anyone who was made "mortal" in the previous games.

I have to admit I am puzzled by the way Bioware handled their small roles in ME2, though. Most players deem them cold and uncaring, and Bioware themselves gleefully speculated that most people with returning ME1 romances would end up cheating in ME2. The "game" was rigged against the ME1 LIs.

So while I remain hopeful about their roles given their unique "always alive" status throughout the trilogy, I remain jittery over the rather dismissive and callous treatment they seemingly got in ME2. And the promise by Bioware to track how many people did actually end up "cheating". What will that be used for, I wonder?

Sigh, this board is full of petitions and speculations about who should return as squaddies in ME3. Most of the threads the ME1 LIs get are either angry blastings or confused wonderings.

Someone should make a "show of support" thread for Kaidan, Ash, and Liara.

Have to admit sounds like they did rig it to ensure people would cheat and the tracking thing has bothered me since they announced it.  If enough people cheated they could have a built in excuse to drop plans to use the ME LI's by saying that it was obvious that people preferred the ME2 LI's to the ME LI's. I know they plan to use them as of now but things change and as big of a nightmare as scripting could be in ME3 finding places to cut a few things wouldn't be all that unusual.

[Tuttotus]

When the game came out I imported my character who’s love interest is Liara in ME1. After the scene with Liara, Shepard basically said screw her and went for Miranda. That is the direction my character went. He didn’t investigate who, what, why and where with Liara. He pretty much told her, screw your mission. I am going to go somewhere else. I think most of the people on the forum wanted their character to be some perfect person with out the consequences out of ME3. You made you choice as you do in real life, deal with it. This is why the game shines in my opinion. You make a choice, right or wrong, you have to deal with the results in the future.

[ComTrav]

Elias Grail wrote...

Why remain faithful?

Well, perhaps because it's the right thing to do when you love someone? If you're playing a role, you play the role. If you'd rather play the game and get everything you can out on Mass Effect 2, then don't stay faithful. Being faithful in the game is about character, not about game playing.

I agree funadamentally that your LI should be a roleplaying decision. (It's not like you get a stats bonus).

But there are equally good RP reasons to leave your ME1 LI. Maybe your Shepard's just a bit of a player. Maybe he feels like saving the galaxy while remaining completely chaste is a little much to ask. Or  maybe Shepard develops a new emotional connection with one of the ME2 LIs, and feels like he should act on it before one or both of them die.

Was planning on staying faithful to Ashley, even after horizon. and I thought the email was very sweet and the little cabin picture was a nice touch. "Opened the door" to a romance with Miranda after her personal mission, but it wasn't until much later that Shepard let Ashley go. (And it made Miranda's 'sod off' to TIM at the end much more satisfying.)

I hope those that stay faithful get their payoff, and I hope those of us that left our ME1 romances get a little drama, and I hope that no one's LI option gets marginalized.

[Badpie]

ComTrav wrote...

Elias Grail wrote...

Why remain faithful?

Well, perhaps because it's the right thing to do when you love someone? If you're playing a role, you play the role. If you'd rather play the game and get everything you can out on Mass Effect 2, then don't stay faithful. Being faithful in the game is about character, not about game playing.

I agree funadamentally that your LI should be a roleplaying decision. (It's not like you get a stats bonus).

But there are equally good RP reasons to leave your ME1 LI. Maybe your Shepard's just a bit of a player. Maybe he feels like saving the galaxy while remaining completely chaste is a little much to ask. Or  maybe Shepard develops a new emotional connection with one of the ME2 LIs, and feels like he should act on it before one or both of them die.

Was planning on staying faithful to Ashley, even after horizon. and I thought the email was very sweet and the little cabin picture was a nice touch. "Opened the door" to a romance with Miranda after her personal mission, but it wasn't until much later that Shepard let Ashley go. (And it made Miranda's 'sod off' to TIM at the end much more satisfying.)

I hope those that stay faithful get their payoff, and I hope those of us that left our ME1 romances get a little drama, and I hope that no one's LI option gets marginalized.

I agree completely with the roleplaying option.  It's the same reason so many people like renegade characters.  It's not like it's like them in real life, but they've given a life to their Shepard.  So if my Shepard was different, maybe he would decide to move on.

I also agree in hoping that both the folks that stuck with the ME1 LIs and the ones that developed new relationships all get a fair shake storywise.

[InvaderErl]

More conflict = better drama.

This whole I must create a new Shepard to romance somebody in ME2 is nonsense. People do not stay together forever, and great stories are built upon conflict not in the absence of it. The more emotional and interpersonal struggles between the crew the better I say.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 février 2010 - 09:26 .

[Divine Flame]

Here's a thought. Those FemSheps that romanced Liara in the first one means that Bioware will have to bring back same sex relationships for the 3rd even though there wasn't one in ME2. So there's an upside to staying faithful if you're a FemShep. Who knows maybe that's gonna be the only same sex romance in ME3.

[Vaenier]

I dumped Liara for Garrus. Garrus has stood by me from the start, never leaving my side, unlike Liara who put her personal vendetta ahead of my mission to stop the Reapers. She broke my heart. I don't know if I would take her back though. I am conflicted >..< damn you bioware! damn your engaging emotional element

[Fulgrim88]

I wonder how much impact this whole thing will have. Not caring much for either of the ME1 love interests, i romanced Liara pretty much "by accident".

It was my first Shep and i wasn't intentionally gearing anything for the "best" ME2&3 experience, so i was like "hell, why not".



Never cared much about her though and consequently didn't pursue any intimate dialogue on Illium, assuming we've both moved on.

Given the fact that she still cares (although my Shep is unaware) implies that there'll probably be much drama in ME3. It's actually one of the reasons why i'd like to have partial rewrite of imported savegames. I can't be assed to play ME1 AND ME2 again just to clarify my disinterest in Liara & Ashley

[jlb524]

Divine Flame wrote...

Here's a thought. Those FemSheps that romanced Liara in the first one means that Bioware will have to bring back same sex relationships for the 3rd even though there wasn't one in ME2. So there's an upside to staying faithful if you're a FemShep. Who knows maybe that's gonna be the only same sex romance in ME3.

Unfortunately, you're probably right.

[Madame November]

I didn't want to stay faithful, because I never intended to play ME2 with the import I ended up having to use. However, I am having trouble getting the people I am interested in interested back. I keep accidentally hitting on people I don't like and saying asinine things to those I like. Can I romance Jack? If I can romance Jack, can I convince her to stop wearing that dark lipstick???

[jlb524]

November Cousland wrote...

I didn't want to stay faithful, because I never intended to play ME2 with the import I ended up having to use. However, I am having trouble getting the people I am interested in interested back. I keep accidentally hitting on people I don't like and saying asinine things to those I like. Can I romance Jack? If I can romance Jack, can I convince her to stop wearing that dark lipstick???

Yes you can romance Jack (if you are male).  No you can't get her to stop wearing that dark lipstick.

[Palathas]

I thought that Ashley/Kaiden were very harsh but I thought Liara was ok, she just seemed very preoccupied. My Shep that is with Liara is staying faithful.

[NoUserNameHere]

You just know that staying faithful will result in making Mass Effect 3 a whole lot easier.



On the other hand, I want to see what Ash is going to say now that I've got Tali with me.

[Spectre_Shepard]

Badpie wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Shavon wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm sure BioWare will find some ridiculous reason why it's "cheating", when in fact the ME1 thing was a one night stand and your ME1 LI it totally not into you anymore

That's a load of crap

Your ME1 LI only slept with you 'cos they thought they were about to die

The relationship had been building for months and they both expressed that were special to each other way before they had sex.  And then since there is a month between the first game and this one, they had that time too.  I don't know why everyone thinks it's a one night stand.  That's not at all what Bioware intended and it's not at all how it played out.

And why does everyone only see things in black and white when it comes to them in ME2?  There are layers, people!  You can't simplify something like Horizon with a simple "well they don't care anymore" thing because a) it's complicated and CLEARLy they do care or they wouldn't have been so upset.

How do some of you navigate real life interpersonal social relationships when you can't infer anything?

This.

[withateethuh]

I hope, since I romanced Miranda, that they will atleast be an option for liara to redeem herself.

[seyera]

Well if I remember correctly, Liara had never melded with anyone before Shepard. This makes me believe it wasn't simply a one night stand she decided to pursue. The new information in ME2 also helps provide further reasons to stay faithful. I have heard Kaiden/Ash send an email, and Liara saved you from the collectors. However, it is ultimately up to how you want to play the game or perceive circumstances.