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[Brand New]

Usually when someone grabs you for a nice make its enjoyable.

[Daeion]

tmp7704 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

I romanced Liara in ME and I know by the end of this I wanted to smack her and go WTF!?!?!  I've been dead for 2 years, I'm about to go on a suicide mission, and you seem to not even care....

Technically since you were being dead for two years it's them who'd spent all this time without you in their life and having to cope with the thought of your loss, for you this separation lasted mere days.

And if your need for attention and to be pampered is so great you want to slap your supposed SO for having their own life and their own problems rather than be all about you you you, then perhaps they're better off without you.

Right, it's been two years for them, so I would think it would be a much bigger deal to them that I'm back where as I can see Shepard still looking at it as being I've only been gone for a few days.  I'm fine with Liara having her own life but it would have been nice to see a little more play towards the fact that there was a romance at one time.  I didn't mean smack to hurt, but smack to get their attention, like they always slap the delerious person in a move to calm them down or get their attention, perhaps a strong shake would ahve been a better use of words.

[Thrakkesh]

The reason she didn't over-react to you was because she's quite possibly being watched, and she doesn't want to show signs of weakness. Pretty obvious considering when she does embrace/kiss you as an LI, the very next thing she does is look over her shoulder and suddenly freeze up. She can't afford to get complacent.



Also, if the comic is anything to go by, Liara was pretty aware that you were alive. pretty sure she's hiding something.

[jlb524]

Daeion wrote...

Yeah, why does Jacob get to put his Daddy issues behind him or Samara get closure on her daughter so they can focus on the mission but apparently shepard doesn't need closure to focus?  I mean come on, if I just found out I was dead for two years, hoped around the galaxy for a little bit trying to save humans and then ran into my one true love just to have them **** me out, I'd be pretty upset and need some closure.

As I said before, there's a reason why Shepard is the leader and the rest are followers.  Shepard can temporarily put stuff behind her and move on with the mission.  That's why she wasn't crying and b*tching about Liara not talking to her that much.  Shepard's a professional.  She'll wallow after the suicide mission.

[tmp7704]

Daeion wrote...

Right, it's been two years for them, so I would think it would be a much bigger deal to them that I'm back where as I can see Shepard still looking at it as being I've only been gone for a few days.

I think it quite likely is much bigger deal for them, which may be reason why they're actually reserved about their reaction -- it's sort of a "too good to be true" thing when it happens after such long time. Come to think of it when you combine it with the revelation you're now working for Cerberus and are most likely going to die again very soon it'd be more justified for them to snap at you in some manner, because it's like some kind of extremely cruel joke the universe is having at their expense.

[Maria Caliban]

Whe Casey said, "We're sure everyone will cheat," what he meant was "We're sure everyone will cheat because our handling of ME 1 LIs is so bad, most players will give up on them."

[Daeion]

Riot Inducer wrote...

Not sure why people had an issue with Liara's reunion she's far warmer than Kaidan/Ashley. Kaidan/Ashley did ****** me off on Horizon though, they seemed to think it was Shepard's choice to be brought back to life by Cerberus, I just wanted to say, "Umm yeah, I was DEAD, I didn't exactly consent to this either. So don't get all pissy at me for being civil with the people who resurrected me."

I just felt it was too cold, especially after she tells you what she went through to get your body back, I think it's even colder that there's no other interaction between the characters.

[izmirtheastarach]

Daeion wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

Not sure why people had an issue with Liara's reunion she's far warmer than Kaidan/Ashley. Kaidan/Ashley did ****** me off on Horizon though, they seemed to think it was Shepard's choice to be brought back to life by Cerberus, I just wanted to say, "Umm yeah, I was DEAD, I didn't exactly consent to this either. So don't get all pissy at me for being civil with the people who resurrected me."

I just felt it was too cold, especially after she tells you what she went through to get your body back, I think it's even colder that there's no other interaction between the characters.

I don't understand these comments. Am I playing a different game? She told me she was afraid I would hate her for turning my body over to Cerberus, but that she just couldn't let me go.. It was very emotional. And then I told her she did the right thing, because the mission is more important then my personal feelings about Cerberus.

It was anything but cold. What am I missing, here?

[jlb524]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I don't understand these comments. Am I playing a different game? She told me she was afraid I would hate her for turning my body over to Cerberus, but that she just couldn't let me go.. It was very emotional. And then I told her she did the right thing, because the mission is more important then my personal feelings about Cerberus.

It was anything but cold. What am I missing, here?

No, you're not missing anything.  That Liara dialog was very emotional.  It was the 'emotionally engaging'  ME2 moment for me  

The others are missing the point, apparently.

[Daeion]

Thrakkesh wrote...

The reason she didn't over-react to you was because she's quite possibly being watched, and she doesn't want to show signs of weakness. Pretty obvious considering when she does embrace/kiss you as an LI, the very next thing she does is look over her shoulder and suddenly freeze up. She can't afford to get complacent.

Also, if the comic is anything to go by, Liara was pretty aware that you were alive. pretty sure she's hiding something.

Well she knew Cerberus was trying to bring you back, I don't think she knew you were back on your feet yet, I mean Shepard was brough out before they were done.

[Daeion]

jlb524 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Yeah, why does Jacob get to put his Daddy issues behind him or Samara get closure on her daughter so they can focus on the mission but apparently shepard doesn't need closure to focus?  I mean come on, if I just found out I was dead for two years, hoped around the galaxy for a little bit trying to save humans and then ran into my one true love just to have them **** me out, I'd be pretty upset and need some closure.

As I said before, there's a reason why Shepard is the leader and the rest are followers.  Shepard can temporarily put stuff behind her and move on with the mission.  That's why she wasn't crying and b*tching about Liara not talking to her that much.  Shepard's a professional.  She'll wallow after the suicide mission.

So why can't I go back and talk to her after the suicide mission.  I know BW main intention of the continue option was the ability to play new DLC or do anything that you missed, but they could have included a few more things from different people.  At the least there should have been a scene of you triumphantly returning and embracing your ME LI if you didn't cheat on them and you can find them.

[Daeion]

tmp7704 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Right, it's been two years for them, so I would think it would be a much bigger deal to them that I'm back where as I can see Shepard still looking at it as being I've only been gone for a few days.

I think it quite likely is much bigger deal for them, which may be reason why they're actually reserved about their reaction -- it's sort of a "too good to be true" thing when it happens after such long time. Come to think of it when you combine it with the revelation you're now working for Cerberus and are most likely going to die again very soon it'd be more justified for them to snap at you in some manner, because it's like some kind of extremely cruel joke the universe is having at their expense.

Oh I get them being upset with the Cerberus part, but you'd think the fact that they have been given a second chance to spend a little more quality time with you before you go off to possible death would mean even more to them.

[Daeion]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Whe Casey said, "We're sure everyone will cheat," what he meant was "We're sure everyone will cheat because our handling of ME 1 LIs is so bad, most players will give up on them."

Wait wait, they actaully said they were sure we'd all cheat?  Wow....I'm sorry but their LI options in ME2 aren't that compelling to be able to be sure that everyone would cheat.

[FoxyGrandpa]

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

My wife was complaining that there wasn't a renegade interrupt on her reunion with Kaiden. She sooo wanted to do a "Say goodnight Manuel" on him...

"I've had enough of your snide accusations" would probably have been more fitting.

Ashley/Kaiden: Why didnt you try and contact me?
Shep: Because you are a big, stupid, jellyfish!

[Thrakkesh]

Daeion wrote...

Thrakkesh wrote...

The reason she didn't over-react to you was because she's quite possibly being watched, and she doesn't want to show signs of weakness. Pretty obvious considering when she does embrace/kiss you as an LI, the very next thing she does is look over her shoulder and suddenly freeze up. She can't afford to get complacent.

Also, if the comic is anything to go by, Liara was pretty aware that you were alive. pretty sure she's hiding something.

Well she knew Cerberus was trying to bring you back, I don't think she knew you were back on your feet yet, I mean Shepard was brough out before they were done.

Still knew that you were going to come back sooner or later.  To do what Liara did, she had to believe the chances of success were pretty high.

More importantly, there are eyes and ears for the Shadow Broker everywhere.  She has to keep up the act, and in the context of the game, you have more important things to do.

[Daeion]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

Not sure why people had an issue with Liara's reunion she's far warmer than Kaidan/Ashley. Kaidan/Ashley did ****** me off on Horizon though, they seemed to think it was Shepard's choice to be brought back to life by Cerberus, I just wanted to say, "Umm yeah, I was DEAD, I didn't exactly consent to this either. So don't get all pissy at me for being civil with the people who resurrected me."

I just felt it was too cold, especially after she tells you what she went through to get your body back, I think it's even colder that there's no other interaction between the characters.

I don't understand these comments. Am I playing a different game? She told me she was afraid I would hate her for turning my body over to Cerberus, but that she just couldn't let me go.. It was very emotional. And then I told her she did the right thing, because the mission is more important then my personal feelings about Cerberus.

It was anything but cold. What am I missing, here?

I think the reason why I find it to be cold is that it doesn't matter if she was your LI, she'll tell you that anyways.  Once that's out of the way and you let her know how greatfull you are, I was expecting that then things would have warmed up a little more.  I guess I was just expecting more out of the ME love interests then what I got.

[Mox Ruuga]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Whe Casey said, "We're sure everyone will cheat," what he meant was "We're sure everyone will cheat because our handling of ME 1 LIs is so bad, most players will give up on them."

Indeed. It's easy for the ME2 LIs to be so "compelling", when their competition was intentionally written to incite a negative and/or confused reaction from the players.

They said they will be tracking the numbers of "cheaters". To what purpose? Will the data extracted from this rigged "contest" be used to explain the further reduction in importance of the ME1 LIs in ME3?

Thank God the quarian fetish object was made "mortal" in ME2.

[Daeion]

jlb524 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I don't understand these comments. Am I playing a different game? She told me she was afraid I would hate her for turning my body over to Cerberus, but that she just couldn't let me go.. It was very emotional. And then I told her she did the right thing, because the mission is more important then my personal feelings about Cerberus.

It was anything but cold. What am I missing, here?

No, you're not missing anything.  That Liara dialog was very emotional.  It was the 'emotionally engaging'  ME2 moment for me  

The others are missing the point, apparently.

No I get it, it was very immotional until I found out everyone gets the dialogue and not just those who rommanced her.  Honestly I think whoever you LI in ME was should have had liara's role and been the one who went off to find you, truely showing their dedication to you.

[ReubenLiew]

That data probably's only used to serve of proof to never put kaidan or ashley in any further games in ME ever again.

And I can live with that.

[btthegeek]

I don't know about anyone else, but I beat ME1 with a mixture of using classes, choosing love interests, killing or saving the council, etc. I loved the first game that much. The truly exciting part about ME2 is that you can use those saves to see what would happen. You can cheat on your previous LI, stay faithful, choose your paragon or renegade save, on and on. While I drool at the thought of ME3, it's going to take me months to squeeze every tiny bit of interaction out of ME2.



And yes, Carth, I mean Kaiden, absolutely broke my heart. Staring at the picture at the end was heart-wrenching. As did Liara when I used the maleshep. Not Ashley, I always killed her in the first game. Didn't like her at all, but only my opinion.

[Markinator_123]

Daeion wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Whe Casey said, "We're sure everyone will cheat," what he meant was "We're sure everyone will cheat because our handling of ME 1 LIs is so bad, most players will give up on them."

Wait wait, they actaully said they were sure we'd all cheat?  Wow....I'm sorry but their LI options in ME2 aren't that compelling to be able to be sure that everyone would cheat.

The ME1 love interests were not all that likeable. ME2 love interests are way better.

[KBGeller]

Daeion wrote...

I romanced Liara in ME and I know by the end of this I wanted to smack her and go WTF!?!?!  I've been dead for 2 years, I'm about to go on a suicide mission, and you seem to not even care....  Now I'm playing a Kaiden LI import and if he jsut reacts the same way Ash did on my first play through I'm going to be even more upset,  What do you mean why didn't I try to contact the team, I just bloody woke up a week ago and I've been busy saving the galaxy again....

For me, now with better chances/opportunities. I realized how much of a stuck up **** Ashley is and how much I really despised her personality. Didn't even give you a chance to explain yourself and didn't give you a spick of trust. So im happy she stormed off.

[SouthernWolfman]

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No I get it, it was very immotional until I found out everyone gets the dialogue and not just those who rommanced her.  Honestly I think whoever you LI in ME was should have had liara's role and been the one who went off to find you, truely showing their dedication to you.

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Couldn't agree more. It would have been a bit more compelling to see the player's chosen or default LI be the one who fought for your body and made sacrifices to save you.

Modifié par SouthernWolfman, 02 février 2010 - 11:21 .

[NoUserNameHere]

Yes to Ash, no to Liara



Liara had a good reason for the things that she did. Ash was more of a "lets force a conflict onto your LI so that there will be some threequel drama when you inevitabily cheat on her!" situation.

That, and Tali was all grown up.



So, ditch Ash, but keep Liara is my suggested M.O.

[ratzerman]

So..... what is this? The 500th thread promoting violence against and contempt for the original love interests? Or is it the 600th? I've lost count.