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[Zusia]

First I'm a big fan of DAO buuuut....

Elric is the survivors name....."Elric"....Really???

Hell why not name him Aragorn or Conan or Merlin ? Did you guys just pull that name off a random name generator and go "hey this looks good we'll run with it"?  You can't possibly have missed the fact that the name "Elric" belongs to a major fantasy character http://en.wikipedia....ic_of_Melniboné. 

I'm sure you guys know that using a well known fantasy character name for your toon is generally frowned upon by the rp community... But this...this use of a major name from the fantasy genre by the writers of Dao just sent my inner monkey into a violent nerd rage.I mean we're talking a two fisted feces slinging melt down. On top of that is it legal for you guys to do that? Just curious.

[Relband]

Moorcock did not invent the name, you know, it goes back all the way to the Anglo-Saxon period. Equally well you could have a negative reaction to DA:O using the name of a certain king from "Macbeth". Now Elrond would be a different issue...

Modifié par Relband, 02 février 2010 - 10:43 .

[Eudaemonium]

Its a name. Its actually a medieval English name, largely anglo-saxon (like Aedelric - 'noble rule'), which fits Ferelden's medieval Britain theme. While it is used also for Elric of Melnibon, it could just as easily be a reference to Edward Elric from the Fullmetal Alchemist manga, or just a name. Oh, and unless the character bears a striking resemblence to another Elric, I believe using the name would be legal even if it *was* an off-hand reference.

[Loerwyn]

Yes, it is.

It's a name, they're rarely (if ever) copyrighted. No one raises a complaint about names like Arthur - Ones which are rooted heavily in myths and legends. There's a character in Babylon 5 also called Elric...

[Zusia]

I don't know, as it's a name made famous for the most part by the eternal champion series. I think people that are familar with fantasy writing would be more inclined to equate the name immediately to the heroic anti hero Elric as opposed to some obscure Anglo Saxon rooted name or a manga character created 40 or so years later. As far as the legal question goes it really was just a curiosity. I know Tolkien was a linguist and created his own languages but I would bet that you could find some of his names had root in real languages as well. I mean you couldn't use the name "Tom Bombadil" and get away with it just because the his first name was Tom could you?

Still the idea makes me cringe.

Modifié par Zusia, 02 février 2010 - 11:04 .

[mark holford]

Zusia wrote...

I don't know,as it's a name made famous for the most part by the eternal champion series. I think people that are familar with fantasy writing would be more inclined to equate the name immediately to the heroic anti hero Elric as opposed to some obscure Anglo Saxon rooted name or a manga character created 40 or so years later. As far as the legal question goes it really was just a curiosity. I know Tolkien was a linguist and created his own languages but I would bet that you could find some of his names had root in real languages as well. I mean you couldn't use the name "Tom Bombadil" and get away with it just because the his first name was Tom could you?

Bioware has paid homage to quite a few "well known" characters in the game (including their own) - there is even a superman reference.... 
As long as they don't parade out a mouse named mickey they'll probably do okay on the copyright front. (although that might have been fun in the HN origin - giant rats in the pantry led by one M. Mouse.....)

[Gold Dragon]

M. Mouse = Mighty Mouse........

[BroBear Berbil]

Pff, I'm more curious about how I could possibly recognize the guy than his name or why Bann Loren is a Loghain loyalist.

[Zusia]

Gah!

I just did that scene again. Everytime I read his name I want to kill him myself.

[melkathi]

I got the same wrong vibe when Zevran told me about "Taliesin"

[DreGregoire]

It's just a name.

[le_cygne]

melkathi wrote...

I got the same wrong vibe when Zevran told me about "Taliesin"

From the Tennyson or the Frank Lloyd Wright?  (I'd assume the former, but also seem to recall you mentioning architecture in a previous thread.)

As for the sentiment, I think it would be pretty bizarre if the head of the Circle Magi were named Merlin or something like that, but I personally don't mind the little references on minor characters. (That said, I wasn't familiar with Elric in any event.)

[Maximus741000]

Zusia wrote...

Gah!
I just did that scene again. Everytime I read his name I want to kill him myself.

You're completely overreacting for God's sake! If the fact that they've used a slightly fantasy derived name insults you so, then do what you will to yourself, but in no way is this Elric name comparable in fame to Arthur, Aragorn, Merlin, Gandalf or anything else!!

[melkathi]

le_cygne wrote...

melkathi wrote...

I got the same wrong vibe when Zevran told me about "Taliesin"

From the Tennyson or the Frank Lloyd Wright?  (I'd assume the former, but also seem to recall you mentioning architecture in a previous thread.)

As for the sentiment, I think it would be pretty bizarre if the head of the Circle Magi were named Merlin or something like that, but I personally don't mind the little references on minor characters. (That said, I wasn't familiar with Elric in any event.)

I was thinking of the Tennyson
Elric, though I am aware of the character the OP mentioned, I hardly noticed. The name is used often enough in tales about that era.

[wonko33]

Thinking Elric came from that series of books is like thinking "say hello to my little friend" comes from "family guy".

[Zusia]

Maximus741000 wrote...

Zusia wrote...

Gah!
I just did that scene again. Everytime I read his name I want to kill him myself.

You're completely overreacting for God's sake! If the fact that they've used a slightly fantasy derived name insults you so, then do what you will to yourself, but in no way is this Elric name comparable in fame to Arthur, Aragorn, Merlin, Gandalf or anything else!!

Easy boys this is a fun thread put the epeens of righteous indignation away.

Mainstream I agree, but to people that followed the evolution of fantasy writing in the last century not so much. Remember there were books before computers, television and movies.My ire remains raised!

Imagine the out cry if they had named him after that piece of dark elf fluff Drizzt.

Or what if they had named Sandal "Conan"?

Wait that just gave me an image of Sandal the Dwarfbarian...the horror the horror...

Modifié par Zusia, 03 février 2010 - 11:25 .

[Zusia]

wonko33 wrote...

Thinking Elric came from that series of books is like thinking "say hello to my little friend" comes from "family guy".

And the name Elric was widely used where in last century before the the Eternal Champion character?

Modifié par Zusia, 04 février 2010 - 03:50 .

[Lakmoots]

I agree *completely* with the OP...

And the rest of the posters are not being fair.

If there was a character named "Conan" would you all jump in and start saying it was a real name - such as Arthur Conan Doyle?

Nooooo... because clearly this is for most people something they would equate with one of the most popular fantasy characters of the 20th Century.

He is simply right. I don't think the writers were thinking "Norman" they were thinking "Moorcock".

It was a bad judgement, IMO.

[tallon1982]

Well then you better pitch a fit over the use of Morrigan then while you are at it

[Lakmoots]

Didn't know anyone was pitching a fit...



Or that Morrigan had one of the single most popular series of fantasy fiction sequences in the last one hundred years... alongside Tolkien, Peake, and many others.

[Thor Rand Al]

Um Elric's just a name, I actually went to school with a kid named Elric n that was um about 30yrs ago... Yes the name's been used here n there but dang it's just a NAME...

[tallon1982]

Morrigan may be widely used in fantasy but wasn't it the OP's point that they are using a name from a fantasy series? It's a name and most writers pick names based the meaning of the name. I mean how many people have ripped off Morgan Le Fey in fantasy? How many have pretty much ripped off Tolkien's ideas which were based off other myths?

Imitation is the sincerest of flattery. Charles Caleb Colton, Lacon, volume I, no. 183 (1780 - 1832)

EDIT:

As for the name Conan...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan

Modifié par tallon1982, 06 février 2010 - 05:19 .

[Lakmoots]

There is a difference between the notoriety of say... Morrigan, to the notoriety of Conan, or Elric.

One seems like a tribute, the other seems fairly cheap.

I can name a cool arcade game I used to play with a character called Morrigan, but *everyone* can name Conan. It is a difference.

Lakmoots, 2010, Bioware Message Board...

EDIT: I read too!

Modifié par Lakmoots, 06 février 2010 - 05:23 .

[NightmarezAbound]

hmm have a fit when Shale says at the Final Battle,.. Have Fun Storming the Castle... relax, the game has many homages laced throughout it.

[TripLight]

It's a name, the guy looked in NO way like the character, so there is no correlation other then the name. I don't see any kind of problem here other then you are offended that a pixel character carries the same name of another character you are obviously a fan of.

It existed before that character and it exists after, you have no justifiable or logical reason to be angry about it. It's like being angry that the sky is blue and not green.

Edit: Cause I'm a '******:lol:

Modifié par TripLight, 06 février 2010 - 06:24 .