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[Yrkoon]

Zusia wrote...


First I'm a big fan of DAO buuuut....

Elric is the survivors name....."Elric"....Really???

Hell why not name him Aragorn or Conan or Merlin ? Did you guys just pull that name off a random name generator and go "hey this looks good we'll run with it"?  You can't possibly have missed the fact that the name "Elric" belongs to a major fantasy character http://en.wikipedia....ic_of_Melniboné. 

I'm sure you guys know that using a well known fantasy character name for your toon is generally frowned upon by the rp community... But this...this use of a major name from the fantasy genre by the writers of Dao just sent my inner monkey into a violent nerd rage.I mean we're talking a two fisted feces slinging melt down. On top of that is it legal for you guys to do that? Just curious.

I agree.  They shouldn't have STOLEN from Moorcock.

Grr....

[Sabriana]

Elric is an old name, older than any fantasy series, and furthermore, it's still in use.



But in the spirit of the thread: Anora? Heyyyy!!! I'm such a huge fan of the American comedy "Bewitched". They went and stole the name!!! Oh the horror. Really. I'm so annoyed.

[Mahumia]

Oh well, parents tend to be not 100% original when they name their children, so stuff like that may happen  I don't mind to see a 'famous' name, I actually like all the little references in the game, as long as it fits within the story (medieval setting), without being too distracting (so no Merlins, Legolas, etc).

And ehm... Morrigan is/was also a goddess, so I thought that the mage was a reference to her (with those crow feathers on her shoulder, her 'raven' black hair and shapeshifting. Even her character fits imo... and the longer I look at her the more I see a reference to the Morrigan of mythology)... I thought it was awesome, but might be my own imagination here and not the real intention of the developers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrigan

Modifié par Mahumia, 06 février 2010 - 09:35 .

[fozfoster]

I hate to flame, and this is most definitely calling the donkey calling the mule an ass, but...



NERD.

[esabria]

Really don't know what all the fuss is about. There are lots of characters that are references or direct ripoffs form mithological or fantasy sources.... Get the God Tyr, from D&D, for example: it is a german god of justice, and only had one hand also. Cailan itself is an irish name. Lugain (Loghain?) is an irish king that was intended to be promised to Emer in the Cuchulainn circle, and so on.... A name is not a property. It is this, a name. something to refer to someone to distinguish it from others.

[Ulicus]

The only problem with Elric was that he said "hung" instead of "hanged".



His name was fine.

[Sabriana]

Well, given the shape he was in, I think a lapse in proper grammar can be forgiven, lol.

[Ulicus]

Never!

[Demx]

Ulicus wrote...

The only problem with Elric was that he said "hung" instead of "hanged".

His name was fine.

I think that's more of a voice actor problem then the script.

[melkathi]

Then there re the "Southron Hills" which is a perfectly acceptable name, though may remind people of the southrons in Lord of the Rings, just because this too is a fantasy setting, and we make connections where there needn't be.

[Zusia]

Yrkoon wrote...

Zusia wrote...


First I'm a big fan of DAO buuuut....

Elric is the survivors name....."Elric"....Really???

Hell why not name him Aragorn or Conan or Merlin ? Did you guys just pull that name off a random name generator and go "hey this looks good we'll run with it"?  You can't possibly have missed the fact that the name "Elric" belongs to a major fantasy character http://en.wikipedia....ic_of_Melniboné. 

I'm sure you guys know that using a well known fantasy character name for your toon is generally frowned upon by the rp community... But this...this use of a major name from the fantasy genre by the writers of Dao just sent my inner monkey into a violent nerd rage.I mean we're talking a two fisted feces slinging melt down. On top of that is it legal for you guys to do that? Just curious.

I agree.  They shouldn't have STOLEN from Moorcock.

Grr....

D'oh! didn't realize this thread took a second breath.

You Mr. Yrkoon other then being one y short of a full evil cousin win the thread sir!

As far as the rest of the "it's just a name crowed goes... I sense a generational gap between todays "everything is disposable" e- society kiddies<you guys> and the primitive pen and paper entrenched nerd <me> .

/pops his head out of his trench and makes French taunting gestures <ala Python>at the e-kiddies.

[Helios969]

I find it somewhat amusing that of all the elements DAO borrows from that the name Elric would be what the poster clings to. Perhaps we should slam Moorcock for "stealing" from the Saxons. It may not even have been intentional. As an amateur fantasy/scifi writer myself, I can tell you there are a finite number of names that roll off the tongue. Readers don't want a book full of characters named Mephostopheles or Rumpelstiltskin. Too distracting. I can also say that being well read in both genres, there is very little originality. Originality now comes in the form of presentation. This is where DAO smacked it out of the park.

[Maria Caliban]

tallon1982 wrote...

Well then you better pitch a fit over the use of Morrigan then while you are at it

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

tallon1982 wrote...

Well then you better pitch a fit over the use of Morrigan then while you are at it

Exactly what I was thinking.

Totally ripping of that girl that Gaider played with.

The name stealing bastards *shakes fist*

[tallon1982]

lol you guys crack me up

[CHiLLFiRe]

Seriously. It's just a name. When I made my female human noble rogue, I named her Elanor. Then my mother's name is suddenly Eleanor. I remember thinking, "Say what?" What were the odds? I've been using that as this particular character concept's first name for over 15 years of RP. It was just a coincidence. An odd one. But a coincidence none the less.

Honestly, I've never heard of this "Elric" guy your talking about. But if he truly is a famous Fantasy Hero, then perhaps the writers are paying tribute to him? Like when Oghren names his first born after you?

Not trying to be rude or mean with you. Please don't misunderstand me. But do you expect every company to try to copyright a first name of a character? Let me give you another example.

One of my most favorite characters that I've created in a fantasy setting, was a female Drow, who left the Underdark because she believed what they did was wrong. She was primarily a warrior/fighter (whatever you want to call it) but she was quick, dexterous, and duel wielded Bastard Swords. I was very proud of her creation, and believed her to be a unique and intriguing character concept.

Then a friend tells me, "You know she sounds like a Drizzt clone". I was upset and I asked him, "Who is this "Drizzt" character your talking about?" He explained it to me. I did research on him, and I was highly upset. I felt my character was original and unique, and then, apparently there was a very similar character out there that was very popular. I made this character from scratch. Never hearing of a "Drizzt" before. But low and behold, there he was.

While I can whine and complain and claim that such a concept was mine first, and in my heart, I felt like it was true, I knew in my mind it was not. Because Drizzt was around when I was in diapers. (at least I assume anyway. I was born in 78)

My point? It was a coincidence. My friend didn't believe me. He thought I stole the concept. Which only made me more angry. But you just can't expect every name and character concept to be original. It very well could be a simple case of, "Great minds think alike."

Modifié par CHiLLFiRe, 11 février 2010 - 07:11 .

[Zusia]

Helios wrote...

I find it somewhat amusing that of all the elements DAO borrows from that the name Elric would be what the poster clings to. Perhaps we should slam Moorcock for "stealing" from the Saxons. It may not even have been intentional. As an amateur fantasy/scifi writer myself, I can tell you there are a finite number of names that roll off the tongue. Readers don't want a book full of characters named Mephostopheles or Rumpelstiltskin. Too distracting. I can also say that being well read in both genres, there is very little originality. Originality now comes in the form of presentation. This is where DAO smacked it out of the park.

"I find it somewhat amusing that of all the elements DAO borrows from that the name Elric would be what the poster clings to."

It's what finally rang my bell.

"Originality now comes in the form of presentation."
 
I'm fully aware of this.


"This is where DAO smacked it out of the park"

No argument there.

"Perhaps we should slam Moorcock for "stealing" from the Saxons"

The Saxons didn't turn the name into fantasy genre phenomena, Moorcock did. Just as the Irish or Celts didn't turn the name Conan into a name known the world over, Howard did.


I think that alot of but not all of the "what's your problem it's just a name" responders are those not familiar with Moorcock's work. I blame this on the fact that his work is only accessible in books. Had there been a video game or movie concerning the character it might have made a difference. Choose one of your favorite fantasy/sci fi/game characters and stick it on a fat old dieing man in game. Does it feel like they're paying homage to the work of the author then?

edited for: readability

Modifié par Zusia, 11 février 2010 - 11:16 .