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[newcomplex]

Orogenic wrote...

Spin****e wrote...

Agent_Dark_ wrote...

Veex wrote...

BioWare challenging itself to new heights would be to repeatedly make single player RPGs?

YEAH MASS EFFECT 2 SHOULD HAVE BEEN MOAR LIEK FALLOUT 3 THAT IS TRU RPG COS I HAV ITEMZ

Lol, that's what I think anytime someone complains about ME2.

If this is true then it is clear that none of you understands some of our criticisms of the game on even the most basic levels.

You are, however, quite good at rude and stupid insults that make you look worse than the intended targets.

This is actually both good and funny, so keep up the good work.

wow...

I heard acting like a pretentious douchebag is going to make Bioware address your concerns legitimately.     

And that my friend, is a personal attack.    

[Orogenic]

newcomplex wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

And by the way, check your spelling. People will always pass judgment on you for poor spelling. No this isn't fair. Yes, it is still true.

I'm done arguing about this.. you are welcome to your opinions, just try to be a bit more adult about expressing them.

Your probably the most obnoxious poster I've met.    First I respectfully say that nostalgia is effecting your judgement because I replayed ME1 recently and Tali has, literally, one peice of dialogue.    Then you say i'm calling you names, when all i said was that you are imagining things due to your nostalgia from playing ME1 (which isn't an insult at all), yelling at you, and your unwilling to address my points. 

Then, you **** on my spelling, and fail to address what is not an opinion, but a fact.    That Tali only has one piece of dialogue with sheperd onces she is on board the normandy.    

Then, you insult my intellect while still failing to address any of my arguments, or the perfectly valid fact about tali you can comfirm in 10 seconds if you still have a ME1 save.     A

Please revisit my specific answers to each of your charges in my posts above.

You started with the rudeness and personal attacks.. I think I've been relatively civil.  The evidence is here for everyone to read.

Do yourself a favor and quit while you are (only slightly) behind.

[Twitchmonkey]

Orogenic wrote...

Well, without getting into spoilers...

The end of ME 1 was EPIC.

They pretty much flushed everything that you "achieved" in that game and came up with a VERY contrived "new beginning." This makes it very hard to restablish the same level of connection with the characters.

The new characters (while VERY well produced) are stiff and one dimensional.  You simply don't care about them as much as you did the characters in ME 1.

The biggest thing is that, for the lack of a better description, this game feels like HALO....

Which is to say that it is FUN... but has very little emotional "weight."

To each his own I suppose.

I can certainly see why you would feel let-down by ME2 if this is how it felt to you. I found the characters in ME2 to be far more compelling and well-portrayed and the moral choices you are forced to make more complex and morally ambiguous. I really don't see how people could play ME2 and not find that it felt a hundred times deeper and more artistic than the original, which itself was pretty good. I haven't seen a movie in years that has told a more compelling narrative than the one in ME2.

[Orogenic]

newcomplex wrote...


wow...

I heard acting like a pretentious douchebag is going to make Bioware address your concerns legitimately.     

And that my friend, is a personal attack.    

Let those true colors shine, my friend : )

[Veex]

Orogenic wrote...

If this is true then it is clear that none of you understands some of our criticisms of the game on even the most basic levels.

You are, however, quite good at rude and stupid insults that make you look worse than the intended targets.

This is actually both good and funny, so keep up the good work.

You may be the largest hypocrite on this forum. You claim to want civil discussion and admonish others for not taking the high road and then retort repeatedly with insults. Newcomplex has a completely valid point that you've ignored on several occasions now and simply resorted to insults in return.

Tali has one unique dialogue sequence in all of Mass Effect on the Normandy. Just one. How does that make for a more in depth and engaging character?

[newcomplex]

newcomplex wrote...

Where are you getting all this two demionshionality from.   Seriously.   Tali had ONE CONVERSATIONS THE ENTIRE GAME, AND GARUSS HAD TWO.

Your imagining their personalities when a significant in game one simply did not exist.   In ME2, almost all characters have fully fleshed out back stories.   Also, I just flat out disagree when you say they are "one demensional".   Each character is presented to you as a stereotypical ramboing badass, and each develop into deep complex characters with their own motivations.   

Personally, I think your wearing nostalgia tinted glasses.   Go back and play mass effect 1 again.     Your literally imagining themes and complexity where none existed.    Even if you count the inter-squad random dialogues, most of them are generic quips that don't reveal any distinctive charactersistic of the characters, though they did add more livelyhood to your squad.   

Your perfectly entitled to your own opinion on how its "less fun", but I REALLY don't get where the "less deep" comes from.    If you want to entertain this argument then, could you point out a specific example of a subject, plot device or theme that Mass Effect 1 covered "more deeply" then ME2?  

I bolded all the things in my OP that can be remotely construed as offensive.   Please, explain to me how they are.   

Lets see all the **** you've posted.

Do yourself a favor and quit while you are (only slightly) behind.

Yelling? Personal insults? Gross inaccuracies? Typical.

Young Poster?  Perhaps

Take seriously? Doubtful.

Salarians
process emotional conflicts much more rapidly than humans....

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Lighten up, Francis.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

For the love of god,
please look up delusional and apply said definition to your above
statement. 

I'm leaving this thread before my  IQ starts to
drop.

Have a nice day.

Also, your point is hilariously dumb in this one in particular.   

"You're really wrong in regards to this..."

"WTF ARE U CALLING ME IGNORANT"?

"No, I'm just saying you don't know that much about this specific..."

"WTF Y U CALL ME IGNORANT"

"No...I just sai..."

"WTF LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF IGNORANT"..

Thats basically what you just pulled on me their.

Nice one.   So you basically bash my points based on ad-hominem without addressing any of them, then say

I'm done arguing about this.. you are welcome to your opinions, just try
to be a bit more adult about expressing them.

We have a winnrar

Modifié par newcomplex, 03 février 2010 - 02:35 .

[stethnorun]

 Not to state the perfectly obvious, but the NYT has lost just about all its credibility since its downward spiral that began around 2000. All newspapers have lost subscribers but the NYT took such a huge dip in the last 10 years that it's pretty self-evident that the American public has soured on them as being a place for objectivity.

[Bigeyez]

I see a certain somebody is already back and offering plenty of constructive posts filled with insightful information that helps engage a meaningful and deep discussion while remaining civil to al parties involved....*coughsarcasmcough* Didn't you say you were done with these forums? Hm, that didn't last long.

[Orogenic]

newcomplex wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Where are you getting all this two demionshionality from.   Seriously.   Tali had ONE CONVERSATIONS THE ENTIRE GAME, AND GARUSS HAD TWO.

Your imagining their personalities when a significant in game one simply did not exist.   In ME2, almost all characters have fully fleshed out back stories.   Also, I just flat out disagree when you say they are "one demensional".   Each character is presented to you as a stereotypical ramboing badass, and each develop into deep complex characters with their own motivations.   

Personally, I think your wearing nostalgia tinted glasses.   Go back and play mass effect 1 again.     Your literally imagining themes and complexity where none existed.    Even if you count the inter-squad random dialogues, most of them are generic quips that don't reveal any distinctive charactersistic of the characters, though they did add more livelyhood to your squad.   

Your perfectly entitled to your own opinion on how its "less fun", but I REALLY don't get where the "less deep" comes from.    If you want to entertain this argument then, could you point out a specific example of a subject, plot device or theme that Mass Effect 1 covered "more deeply" then ME2?  

I bolded all the things in my OP that can be remotely construed as offensive.   Please, explain to me how they are.   

This is really getting to you, isn't it?

Read you own words and think about it.  Maybe some other good soul on the forum will explain it to you, but I've already wasted enough time on this.

Modifié par Orogenic, 03 février 2010 - 02:37 .

[Orogenic]

Bigeyez wrote...

I see a certain somebody is already back and offering plenty of constructive posts filled with insightful information that helps engage a meaningful and deep discussion while remaining civil to al parties involved....*coughsarcasmcough* Didn't you say you were done with these forums? Hm, that didn't last long.

Finished my playthrough finally, came back to see what was up.

Looks like the rude little children are still protecting their turf here.

If I didn't feel so guilty about it I'd stay here and post all the time.

[Bigeyez]

Orogenic wrote...

Bigeyez wrote...

I see a certain somebody is already back and offering plenty of constructive posts filled with insightful information that helps engage a meaningful and deep discussion while remaining civil to al parties involved....*coughsarcasmcough* Didn't you say you were done with these forums? Hm, that didn't last long.

Finished my playthrough finally, came back to see what was up.

Looks like the rude little children are still protecting their turf here.

If I didn't feel so guilty about it I'd stay here and post all the time.

Don't tempt me. I'll so steal your lunch money next time I catch you on the playground. I'm mean like that.

[newcomplex]

Orogenic wrote...
This is really getting to you, isn't it?

Read you own words and think about it.  Maybe some other good soul on the forum will explain it to you, but I've alredy wasted enough time on this.

You
a)Haven't pointed out how anything I said was offensive
b)Nor did you address any of my points, neither pointing out any specific theme/character/event/plot device that is less complex in ME2, or refute how Tali and Garrus both have rediculously low dialogue options in the original.

instead you spent the last 5 posts mocking me.  

Jokes on you lol.

Modifié par newcomplex, 03 février 2010 - 02:38 .

[skuld1]

Kalfear wrote...

Pretty much agree fully!

Appearently NYT didnt get their cheque in the mail to give it a 10/10 rating

I see Kalfear is still getting his checks to bash at every opportunity.

[Brayton]

I'm confused....

[Sereaph502]

Like I care what one game reviewer for the new york times thinks?

[Orogenic]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

I can certainly see why you would feel let-down by ME2 if this is how it felt to you. I found the characters in ME2 to be far more compelling and well-portrayed and the moral choices you are forced to make more complex and morally ambiguous. I really don't see how people could play ME2 and not find that it felt a hundred times deeper and more artistic than the original, which itself was pretty good. I haven't seen a movie in years that has told a more compelling narrative than the one in ME2.

Twitch, thanks as always for posting a sane and constructive counterpoint in an ocean of effluent ; )

I will say that there were some VERY moving moments (especially in the loyalty missions) but I did not feel a synergy that developed the main storyline in ME 2.  And the atmosphere created in many placed in ME 2 was just MINDBLOWING... there were times I would just walk around "Afterlife" just to soak up the ambiance...

[DoctorPringles]

I pose a question... Why does everyone believe Bioware should be making "world-changing" games all the time? I haven't seen a very groundbreaking game in a -long- time, by -any- company.

[sedrikhcain]

ScroguBlitzen wrote...

This review was right on the money. It seems to be the only review I've read that was written by someone that really loved ME1.

There is no question that ME2 is a great game. The problem is it does not feel like a spiritual successor to ME1 which was awesome.

I will probably go back and replay ME1 a couple more times, but I doubt I'll even bother with a second playthrough of ME2.

I don't really follow this. The "spirit" of ME1 was undoubtedly in its storytelling. ME2, for whatever differences it has, certainly continues telling that great story.

[sedrikhcain]

stethnorun wrote...

 Not to state the perfectly obvious, but the NYT has lost just about all its credibility since its downward spiral that began around 2000. All newspapers have lost subscribers but the NYT took such a huge dip in the last 10 years that it's pretty self-evident that the American public has soured on them as being a place for objectivity.

None of this is relevant here. Wouldn't it be more constructive to attack the review on its own merits, if you disagree with it?

[TeamRyan]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Like I care what one game reviewer for the new york times thinks?

truest thing anyonehas ever said.

if you don't like the review get over it, whether you like it or not there will be people who don't agree with you.
The reviewers job is to write a review, god knows no one is paying him to write a bad review. If you see the review as a bad review for whatever reason you are insane. mass effect 2 is a videogame the reviewer can't possibly be pushing a secret agenda by saying he liked the game and he wishes it were better. The only thing i could possibly see come from this is that the creators try to top themselves in the next installment.

[Orogenic]

sedrikhcain wrote...

ScroguBlitzen wrote...

This review was right on the money. It seems to be the only review I've read that was written by someone that really loved ME1.

There is no question that ME2 is a great game. The problem is it does not feel like a spiritual successor to ME1 which was awesome.

I will probably go back and replay ME1 a couple more times, but I doubt I'll even bother with a second playthrough of ME2.

I don't really follow this. The "spirit" of ME1 was undoubtedly in its storytelling. ME2, for whatever differences it has, certainly continues telling that great story.

Ponder this...

After Luke Skywalker was awarded his medal for blowing up the Deathstar, he died in a freak landspeeder accident.

Darth Vader found his dessicated remains a couple years later and reconstituted him (sort of like a sea monkey).

After his revitalization, Luke decides that Darth and his Empire buddies really aren't as bad as he thought....

In fact, they actually have the best interests of the human race at heart. 

It turns out Han Solo really WAS a two-bit criminal and Princess Leia is a tree-hugging space hippie.

Luke gets his own star destroyer and heads out to show the galaxy what human domination is all about.....



Sound like a story you'd like to hear?

[DoctorPringles]

Orogenic wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

ScroguBlitzen wrote...

This review was right on the money. It seems to be the only review I've read that was written by someone that really loved ME1.

There is no question that ME2 is a great game. The problem is it does not feel like a spiritual successor to ME1 which was awesome.

I will probably go back and replay ME1 a couple more times, but I doubt I'll even bother with a second playthrough of ME2.

I don't really follow this. The "spirit" of ME1 was undoubtedly in its storytelling. ME2, for whatever differences it has, certainly continues telling that great story.

Ponder this...

After Luke Skywalker was awarded his medal for blowing up the Deathstar, he died in a freak landspeeder accident.

Darth Vader found his dessicated remains a couple years later and reconstituted him (sort of like a sea monkey).

After his revitalization, Luke decides that Darth and his Empire buddies really aren't as bad as he thought....

In fact, they actually have the best interests of the human race at heart. 

It turns out Han Solo really WAS a two-bit criminal and Princess Leia is a tree-hugging space hippie.

Luke gets his own star destroyer and heads out to show the galaxy what human domination is all about.....



Sound like a story you'd like to hear?

Doesn't sound like any story I've heard yet. No one ever mentioned anything about Cerberus having the best interests of the human race at heart. They merely said Cerberus was the only ones willing to do something about the reapers. Never was it said Cerberus are the good guys... Except maybe by Cerberus.

[Twitchmonkey]

Orogenic wrote...

Ponder this...

After Luke Skywalker was awarded his medal for blowing up the Deathstar, he died in a freak landspeeder accident.

Darth Vader found his dessicated remains a couple years later and reconstituted him (sort of like a sea monkey).

After his revitalization, Luke decides that Darth and his Empire buddies really aren't as bad as he thought....

In fact, they actually have the best interests of the human race at heart. 

It turns out Han Solo really WAS a two-bit criminal and Princess Leia is a tree-hugging space hippie.

Luke gets his own star destroyer and heads out to show the galaxy what human domination is all about.....



Sound like a story you'd like to hear?

Actually yes. Stories that show things from a different group or person's point of view and actually make you start to understand and sympathize with that viewpoint are often more interesting than those stories that have a clear and polarized sense of who is the good guy and who is the bad guy (Avatar, anyone?).

Modifié par Twitchmonkey, 03 février 2010 - 03:07 .

[Bigeyez]

Orogenic wrote...


Ponder this...

After Luke Skywalker was awarded his medal for blowing up the Deathstar, he died in a freak landspeeder accident.

Darth Vader found his dessicated remains a couple years later and reconstituted him (sort of like a sea monkey).

After his revitalization, Luke decides that Darth and his Empire buddies really aren't as bad as he thought....

In fact, they actually have the best interests of the human race at heart. 

It turns out Han Solo really WAS a two-bit criminal and Princess Leia is a tree-hugging space hippie.

Luke gets his own star destroyer and heads out to show the galaxy what human domination is all about.....



Sound like a story you'd like to hear?

Well in Star Wars canon Luke does eventually betray everyone and become an apprentice to Darth Sidious...for a while. (Although technically it was all a ruse to get closer to the Darth in order to find a way to finally kill him once and for all, but you don't find that out until much later and no one else knew that until Luke came back and rejoined them.)

Sea Monkeys are awesome by the way.

[Orogenic]

Dude, spoilers???



Seriously.