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[Spectre_Shepard]

So. Bioware obviously made a HUGE effort to paint Cerberus in shades of gray. In ME1, Cerberus was obviously shown to be this corrupt, evil entity, but ME2 shows them in a very different light. Both the Illusive Man and Miranda seem to have an excuse for every accusation you can level against them.

I for one remain unconvinced. I don't care that the Cerberus station holding Jack went rogue; the Illusive Man still authorized the experiment and put her in that position, and after doing so failed to control his own people. And I haven't forgotten about their actions in ME1 by a long shot. In short, I think that Cerberus is still at its core a human supremacist group that I will spare no effort in trying to destroy, given the opportunity, and on a side note I completely agree with what Ash (or Kaiden) said to my character on Horizon.

In the end, I suppose collaboration was a necessary evil, but I could see how other people might see differently. So, has your opinion of them changed or stayed the same? Did anyone actually enjoy working for them? 

[InvaderErl]

I think Cerberus is not a totally evil organization but they can't be trusted to any sort of degree. For every good element there a half a dozen more shady/evil ones. My Shep worked with them out of necessity and gladly accepted the help but at the end I was more than happy to tell Illusive Man to shove it.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 03 février 2010 - 12:13 .

[Commisar_V]

A necessary evil. I enjoyed working with them, although I certainly didn't trust them, and wanting to preserve the reaper was the last straw for me.



Doesn't TIM state that Cerberus operates on a cell level, that is to say that there's not exactly any central command structure that can reel individual members in line?

[KnightofPhoenix]

I enjoyed it. Never saw Cerberus as evil. And now I understood the organisation better and was glad to fight alongside them. I am looking forward to teaming up with them in ME3 again, provided Bioware allows us to.

[epoch_]

They brought me back to life, but thats the only points they get.

[Spectre_Shepard]

*Spoiler!*





There was also the mission where TIM sends you onto the collector ship to walk right into a trap. I was SO pissed. I mean, I played a paragon character, but when that happened I was staring at the bottom right corner waiting for what I hoped would be a renegade interrupt to flip TIM off. I wanted to quit cerberus right there and hunt that **** down. So glad I told him to shove it in the end.

[DeadlyParasite]

I destroyed the base, had Miranda leave the organization, and gave the Illusive Man the big middle finger as I left the final conversation.



I hope I can destroy the entire group in the third game.

[KalosCast]

Cerberus = terrorists with good PR.

[Frotality]

the truth is no one has any damn idea, they are ultimate moral ambiguity because their leader has entirely unknown goals. TIM is very purposely made to be a shifty and deceptive character hidden behind noble intentions. he could be sincere, he could just want power, he could just want to make a killing off of his line of shepard bobblehead products. at every turn one has to question his real motives, he is so very good at seeming sincere that he has to not be.

[Sabre120]

I hope they'll be some epic fight with him in ME3



"You ruined everything Shepard!"

[wulf3n]

They killed Kahoku! KAAAAHHHOOOOKUUUUUUUU!

[Himmelstor]

My opinion of the Cerberus organization as a whole is that it was evil.

The Illusive Man is someone I would absolutely love to shoot in the face. Repeatedly.

I don't trust Miranda but I haven't spent much time with her. Jacob I like.

The rest of the people...depends. The cells you shut down and Jack's research cell I would kill. The people on the Normandy I like, overall. It seems they were chosen because they were more moderate or loyal to Shep.

[OpDDay2001]

I trust them about as much as I'd trust a group of pyjack in a food shed.



They could be painted as Gray (for those who went Renegade) in ME1, but largely I saw them as evil and twisted. They would perform research far removed from anyt sort of moral (or even scientific) compass. I saw the merit in joining with them for the moment, but since it was forced on me either way, my opinion is moot. After actually seeing ol' TIM, I grew extremely weary and even more distrustful of Cerberus. Something deeper and more sinister lies beneath the surface. And something TIM said bothers me still (when I think about the story and where it could go). What did he could he mean by saying Cerberus was protecting humanity from the "Reapers and beyond"? Something is very off with Cerberus. O dunno... there are far too many story implications in which Cerberus turns out to be something more insidious than it seems.

[EJon]

1st. TIM has an excuse for every accusation. Miranda downright admits on about two occasions that what they did was wrong and unacceptable.



2nd. What different light? They're still as evil in ME2 as in ME1.



I was going into ME2 expecting to like Cerberus because i didn't think you could romance Miranda without sucking up to Cerberus. I was shocked when she told TIM that she quit once i said i wasn't keeping the collector base. So now i can hate Cerberus.



I don't know, something about TIM. It seems like he's working an angle he doesn't want us to catch. Towards the end of the game you start to see his eyes glow. In the beginning they weren't. Something caused the change. I wouldn't be surprised if he would end up working with the reapers to "ensure" human "dominance" in the galaxy. With the collectors gone, it seems like that could happen. But i'm just rambling stuff. Thats just the kind of person he seems to me - power hungry. If the Reapers were to offer him power and the chance to live, you think he'd turn them down?

[Myrmedus]

Need to somehow use them rather than the using you in the third or the rest of the civilizations in the galaxy are screwed, especially if you left the Collector base intact.

They're doing the right thing in ME2 but TIM is self-interested to a point, he wants something from the Reapers personally even if it's only their tech. In fact I suspect TIM is already planning how to gain the upper hand in the galaxy AFTER fighting the Reapers even with the dire situation we're in, however he just strikes me as that kind of character who is ALWAYS planning ahead.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 03 février 2010 - 12:24 .

[Tamcia]

They are a radical prohuman organisation. I don't like them, snce despite the illusive man speeches, they take the "end justifies the means" approach.



In the end he goes - Cerberus is humanity etc. They want power.

I liked telling the Illusive man to ****** off, and do stuff my way. They only needed shephard to do the task - felt like a tool.



Honestly - they are like the Batarian terrorists, just human and with different goals but completely ignoring any ethical or moral approach.



I'm glad I destoryed the base, since in the end they would also start using other races as resources for constructing stuff like weapons and ships.

[Brand New]

TIM's eyes & that star or planet or wahtever it is that changes color (red/blue) depending on what you do with the Collector ship make me want to tear the story line of ME3 out of biowares offices at this moment.



I'm so damn curious about those eyes and to where he is and what that is exactly behind him.

[Markinator_123]

"Cerberus is humanity!" - Illusive man

I do not trust Cerberus or the Illusive man at all especially after that quote. In fact I think the illusive man is evil. His d & d reference would definitely be lawful evil.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 03 février 2010 - 12:25 .

[Aestivalis]

Cerberus is awesome in a sick, twisted sort of way. The fact that they are strong enough to boast massive space stations, their own fleets, troops, and advanced weapons means that they'll be around for the long haul. That way the Renegades among us will have comrades-in-arms for ME3!



It'd be kind of awesome if in ME3 you had to fight both Cerberus and the Reapers if you pissed off TIM in ME2 by destroying the Collector base.

[vietnamsquirrel]

Cerberus are the grey wardens.... hoorah

[NightAntilli]

I certainly don't trust the Illusive Man, though he is kind of hard to hate.. He's so subtle.. But it's still a fact that Cerberus did a lot of awful things, and I think, if they see a better option at any time, they'll ditch you with no second thought.. So in the end, Cerberus is rich, has resources, but will go very far to reach what they want, and they WILL cross the line multiple times.. They're basically an organization without restrictions.. No restrictions + a lot power = disaster

[KalosCast]

Aestivalis wrote...

Cerberus is awesome in a sick, twisted sort of way. The fact that they are strong enough to boast massive space stations, their own fleets, troops, and advanced weapons means that they'll be around for the long haul. That way the Renegades among us will have comrades-in-arms for ME3!

It'd be kind of awesome if in ME3 you had to fight both Cerberus and the Reapers if you pissed off TIM in ME2 by destroying the Collector base.

I'm assuming Paragons roll in with the Alliance and/or Citadel fleet and Renegades roll in with the Cerberus fleet for the inevitable space showdown.

Modifié par KalosCast, 03 février 2010 - 12:26 .

[MICHELLE7]

Cerberus manipulated you throughout the game from sending you to Horizon to the trap in the collectors ship. TIM may have wanted the collectors to be stopped but I think he wanted that technology even more. Shep just happened to wake up when he/she was needed to save the galaxy but I have no doubt that TIM wanted to use Shep for his own ends...Liara even hinted at such in her conversation with you. I wanted more than to just be able to tell him off at the end...I wanted him to die!

[BlackwindTheCommander]

I trust the people who serve and fight alongside me, just not the orginization as a whole.