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[Deuterium_Dawn]

Abirn wrote...

You know what. I'm with cerberus. Regardless of what their end game plot is they at least care about saving us from extinction.

What has the council done other than stick their fingers in their ears shouting "I can't hear you"

Basically this.

[thethain]

Cerberus is indeed a difficult entity to classify.



On one hand they are responsible for innumerable evil acts, jack might have been a rogue project, but it was still purposeful, enhance a biotic child to the max potential against its will. So was the projects from ME1, enslave thorian creepers for use, or rachni, or killing innocent people with thresher maws.



On the other hand, Cerberus seems to be the ONLY organization in the galaxy that accepts and opposes the reaper threat. Alliance - Ignores it, Council - Ignores it, Shadow Broker - Attempted to help it thru collectors. Even your long time friend Anderson refuses to fully trust you because you are with Cerberus. The man (woman) who saved the council, citadel, and entire universe (by stopping or delaying the opening of the citadel relay) and all of a sudden your judgement cannot be trusted.



My judgement is that they are a ruthless and unfeeling organization, however, they appear to be the only ones willing to do what is necessary and confront the reaper threat. They are evil, but even evil realizes that its not in its best interest to be processed into part of a reaper.



If not for Cerberus, The alliance/council wouldn't have fully investigated the colonies until the human reaper was much closer to completion and likely would have had to send an entire fleet to destroy it meaning that likely billions of humans would have died in construction and thousands or tens of thousands of humans and aliens would die in the battle. Also there would be no Shepard for act 3 when the entire reaper threat emerges.

[Elven-Elios]

I have to say while I don't agree with everything they do, the motive I agree with. No one is going to lookout for humanity except humanity. If you can turn a few aliens in the process go for it otherwise do what ya have to do.

[Proud Larry]

I chose to destroy the base, but my conversation with the Illusive Man ended on a soft note. It seemed like we had agreed that I would still work with them but that I would not work FOR them.

Yet somehow my team still commented that I would be on the run from Cerberus.

I was a bit confused, because it seemed during our conversation that The Illusive Man hadn't fired me, so to speak.

If I recall correctly, I chose the options as Renegade, Renegade, Neutral. It seemed to diffuse our argument.

[steve1945]

I trust them. I completely agree with them. I am myself irl a human supremacist. It is not only humanities RIGHT to command and control the galaxy. It is our holy duty to do so.



I tolerate aliens if they help or do not interfer. I how ever would exterminate every last one of them if they would dare stand in the way of human progress.



Unsuprisingly enough im a Imperial 40k player. Iv been trying to build the Imperium of Man in Mass Effect since my first playthrough. With honor and blood I shall DO IT!

[InvaderErl]

Proud Larry wrote...

I chose to destroy the base, but my
conversation with the Illusive Man ended on a soft note. It seemed like
we had agreed that I would still work with them but that I would not
work FOR them.

Yeah I got the impression that Shep was like "We do this MY way from here on out."

I love the last shot of Illusive Man, you can just see him planning for the future. Very scary.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 03 février 2010 - 01:10 .

[RakothX]

Cerberus' origins lie in being a black-ops cell for the Alliance that ended up going rogue.



Thus far, they have experimented with mind control for placation purposes (The thorians,) genetically-crafted shock troops (the Rachni and the Husks,) indigenous wildlife poisons and capabilities (Thrasher maws against civilians and armed marines, and the effects their poison has when injected into the blood stream.) They willfully abandon their cells if it becomes too much of an issue to rescue the staff or if it might lead to an 'incident' (the garrison commander warning not to use Rachni or Husks, I forget which it was precisely, before dying herself.) They will kill an Admiral of the Alliance who just wants to know what happened to his unit of marines (the earlier mentioned thresher maws) and hope to get rid of the evidence by feeding it to a Rachni (who did not eat it, as it turns out.)



That's what I can think of off the top of my head from part one. This is not including the atrocities committed to Jack and countless other children, or any other abominable things that come to light during ME2.



I can safely respond that I kept the Cerberus data for EDI to analyze and decrypt, and nuked the Collector base before telling off the Illusive Man. I am only disappointed that I could falcon punch him in the head.

[KalosCast]

Delta Green wrote...

I really hope that TIM in ME3 does not become comic book villain riding a giant human reaper made to look like himself and laughing maniacally as he crushes the citadel. 

It's not like it would even be remotely out of the character for him. He already has the creepy appearance, zany lair, and smug self-assurance... as well as henchmen and resources (and a remote science lab if you saved the Collector base) that would make even Galactus think twice about pissing him off.

[Lord Jaric]

I never just the illusive man, and he really pissed me off when he let is slip that shepard was alive to get the collectors to attack the colony that had Ashely/Kaiden on it, then sends me to the collectors' ship knowing it was a trap, then trying to get the collector base, yeah I was fully ready to tell him to shove it.

[ComTrav]

I actually really admired the brazenness of TiM using the collector's trap against them. It's a little disappointing he couln't be bothered to explain this to Shepard. (It's good an opportunity to pass up, and if you KNOW it's a trap, doesn't that give you an advantage?)

[Eumerin]

Nightvision91 wrote...
I do agree though with whoever said I trust the people fighting alongside of me, but not the organization.

I think that it's safe to say that the majority of the crew on the Normandy aren't Cerberus die-hards. 

Joker claims that he's there because the Alliance wouldn't let him fly, but there's probably also a healthy helping of guilt there as well as it's basically Joker's fault that Shepard died (i.e. Shepard shouldn't have needed to order him out of his seat).
Dr. Chakwas admits that she's largely there to keep an eye on Joker.
The two engineers admit that they joined Cerberus only because the Council is ignoring the Reaper threat.

In short, you're probably looking at a crew whose members are pro-human only up to the point of making sure that humans get treated equally with the other races of the galaxy (and anti-human bigotry is something that you constantly run into, so it appears to be a real issue).  And the fact that the crew feels that way makes sense, since for a high-profile mission like the one that the Normandy is conducting you want to try and put the organization's best face forward.

Modifié par Eumerin, 03 février 2010 - 01:21 .

[Wintermaulz]

i trusted cerberus only as far as i can throw em, in essence, keep ur friends close, and ur enamys closer, so u can shoot em in the back when they tell u to do some sorta atrocity(leave that base intact)

[Eumerin]

RakothX wrote...

... indigenous wildlife poisons and capabilities (Thrasher maws against civilians and armed marines, and the effects their poison has when injected into the blood stream.)  ... They will kill an Admiral of the Alliance who just wants to know what happened to his unit of marines (the earlier mentioned thresher maws)

Actually, you're looking at two different incidents.  Kahoku's men were led to their ambush site using an Alliance distress beacon.  The Sole Survivor background covers a different incident at Akuze in which Cerberus used thresher maws to wipe out the Alliance colony at Akuze and then did the same to the Alliance marine unit that arrived to investigate.  It's never explained exactly why the former took place, but you discover that the latter occured pretty much so that Cerberus could see what happened when the thresher maws attacked (aka "research").

[Urazz]

ComTrav wrote...

I actually really admired the brazenness of TiM using the collector's trap against them. It's a little disappointing he couln't be bothered to explain this to Shepard. (It's good an opportunity to pass up, and if you KNOW it's a trap, doesn't that give you an advantage?)

Agreed!  While I didn't trust him from the beginning, I did accept his reasoning for the most part.  Though I felt he still should've notified Shepard that he was walking into a trap and to prepare accordingly (I.E. bring in more guns or people with him)

Modifié par Urazz, 03 février 2010 - 01:31 .

[GooftyGoober]

I slowly got corrupted by Cerberus during the course of the game =( lol i started off hating them but after a while i liked them at one point my shep even said "This crap makes Cerberus look like a good idea".

I think that was the point though i think Bioware wanted to test Para Shepard to see if he could stay good and i must admit with the council pretending nothing is wrong and seeing some of the human hate its really hard not to let Cerberus dominate the galaxy because at least they do something when the galaxy is in danger.

Modifié par GooftyGoober, 03 février 2010 - 01:31 .

[RPGlover732]

****SPOILERS****



TIM, i dont like him, but i shep needs him to stop the reapers right? I mean the alliance sucks, cerbeus is pretty damn crazy, but i need cerberus over the alliance. now did i do everything cerberus said? hell no, but i did keep the collecter ship. why? it could have info on reapers or tech to stop them. now if TIM does somthing stupid... i am gouing to be soooooo pissed, but i think its going to help save everyone from reapers.

[Exile Isan]

Eumerin wrote...
Actually, you're looking at two different incidents.  Kahoku's men were led to their ambush site using an Alliance distress beacon.  The Sole Survivor background covers a different incident at Akuze in which Cerberus used thresher maws to wipe out the Alliance colony at Akuze and then did the same to the Alliance marine unit that arrived to investigate.  It's never explained exactly why the former took place, but you discover that the latter occured pretty much so that Cerberus could see what happened when the thresher maws attacked (aka "research").

True they were two seperate incidents, but in both are the result of Cerberus' actions.

[Eumerin]

GooftyGoober wrote...
I think that was the point though i think Bioware wanted to test Para Shepard to see if he could stay good and i must admit with the council pretending nothing is wrong and seeing some of the human hate its really hard not to let Cerberus dominate the galaxy because at least they do something when the galaxy is in danger.

Wouldn't surprise me.  The game does a good job of highlighting the fact that there are a LOT of sentients out there that are anti-human bigots.  The Turian politician in Citadel station is even basically using that as his campaign platform.  And unlike most of the ME1 Paragon choices, he's probably not going to change his position just because you saved his life.  In fact, he might even use it as part of his campaign ("The humans tried to make themselves look good by endangering me so that they could save my life!   But I see through their lies!").

[bobtheorc]

They killed admiral Kahoku,

Wiped out the human colony on Chasca (UNC: Colony of the dead)

and spent five years injecting corporal tombs with thresher maw venom.

Not to mention if you pick the sole survivor background they're responsible for the most traumatic event of your life so far.

Also if I remember correctly they were somehow involved with the rachni missions at the listening posts.

All in all I'd say that qualifies them as evil.

[Borschtbeet]

Cerberus is absolute scum. They are the neocons of the future. I couldn't wait to turn on them.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

All this discussion, and nobody has brought forth the possibility that, given ENOUGH playthroughs, we could all enjoy, the different directions TIM has us wandering!



Personally though, TIM is really starting to aggravate/annoy me,(and toss in an Immense fear factor), that "so called humanity defender", is either looking out for "his" own interests, or actually, for lack of a better term, "Is trying to dominate the entire galaxy, through superior firepower.



There's a fine line between looking out for humanity and "ruling" with an Iron Fist.

[Jimbe2693]

I don't trust them at all. I fully expect cerberus to turn on you if you don't follow their ideals.
The Illusive man just wants to use Shepard as a tool, as soon as Shepard becomes a liability I assume EDI will turn you in to Cerberus hands.

IIRC they were behind the thresher maw attack at Akuze; they've done countless more sick experiments, and killed Kahoku so my shep has personal motivation to put cerberus down.

Modifié par Jimbe2693, 03 février 2010 - 01:50 .

[The Governator]

To hell with Cerberus.  That illusive man is all about getting all he can from this whole situation.  Saving humanity is a secondary goal, imo.  I am not suggesting that the Alliance is the beacon of light that it SHOULD be, but it is a hell of a lot better than Cerberus.

[OpDDay2001]

There is an interesting possibility, though I doubt BioWare will take this path, that what the Illusive Man is doing (at least if you are Paragon) is trying to better humanity by embodying the vileness and evil of it. For those of you who have read the Dune series, think of what God-Emperor Leto II did. He became an evil and oppressive force so that someday, someone would rise up against him. TIM is forcing Shepard to be a better person and to work against him in a way that will better serve humanity in the long run. He specifically ordered Miranda to NOT change you or implant a control chip or to alter you in anyway. This seems very, very strange if you are a Paragon and are directly opposed to almost all of his plans. It's like he's forcing you to be better than him, than the worst parts of humanity. He's setting you up yto be some sort of example, a galactic hero to which all races, especially humanity, should thrive. Again, I sincerely doubt BioWare will take this route, but it as a thought that popped into my head. (I still dislike TIM and Cerberus's activities)

Modifié par OpDDay2001, 03 février 2010 - 01:55 .

[Annihilator27]

I told the llusive man to shove it at the end, But they are a necessary evil. Man that station exploding was epic.