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[darkshadow136]

I played ME1 as a Paragon and hated Cerebus in that game so my opinion was pretty much formed from the get go. The Illusive man can be persuasive, and even though his organization is more pro-active then the rest of the ME world it does not change that they are an evil almost racist organization, and let's not forget in pursuit of defense against all enemies they conduct human and other immoral experiments on sentient beings.



So compilation with Cerebus is like making a deal with the devil you know but no less a crime than siding with the reapers like the heretics did. Shepard's part in the game series I think at least is through all the red tape and resistance he get's from the counsel and other races. H e needs to be the voice in the darkness to bring everyone together, and lead by example. Not to bend his principles to get an easy win.



So although Cerebus has it's place it is up to Cerebus to change to fit in the ME galaxy, and work together with the alliance and other counsel governments. Not for Shepard to change to fit them.

[Himmelstor]

I still want the opportunity to pump round after round after round into TIM's lying little face. Set ME up, will you?

[therookie2552]

I dont trust Cerberus, I hated how ashly talks to you on Harvest, I dono they are are trying to get a better image

[Borschtbeet]

Cerberus is supposed to be a human supremacist organization but truth is I think Cerberus wants to dominate everyone, humans included.



The Illusive Man is an egotistical maniac who thinks that he is entitled to some glorious destiny. His reasons for helping the human colonies were purely out of self-interest. The Illusive Man wants galactic domination.

[Missouri Tigers]

After the incident with Kohaku, I thought they were awful.  In Mass Effect 2 they didn't earn my trust for a while.  I fully believed they were preparing to do something bad against other species in order to take their technologoy or something to destroy the Reapers alone.  After Horizon though, I realized that Cerberus really was the only organization really willing to destroy the Reapers and they weren't going to do it alone.  The Illusive Man had a great plan in place and played a mind-game with the Collectors after sending me in to a known trap and getting some intel on the home-base.  At the end of the game, I realized that they were in this to defeat the Reapers and handed the base to the Illusive Man because he had a plan in place and would defeat the Reapers.  If I get a choice between working with the Alliance and Council or Cerberus in Mass Effect 3, I'll choose Cerberus.

One Reaper and some Geth almost killed the Council and destroyed the Citadel.  Cerberus was at least quick enough to respond to abducted humans while the Council just turned their back, again.  The best part of this game was at the beginning when I learned the Council still wasn't doing anything and I told them to shove their Specte offer up their asses.  Then I told Udina "They wanted to make me a spectre against and I told them where to cram it."  If I get another chance, I'm killing them (I used my choices from the first playthrough of ME1 because those were my real choices, not manufactured like my "perfect playthroughs".

Modifié par Missouri Tigers, 03 février 2010 - 02:03 .

[RakothX]

Eumerin wrote...
Actually, you're looking at two different incidents.  Kahoku's men were led to their ambush site using an Alliance distress beacon.  The Sole Survivor background covers a different incident at Akuze in which Cerberus used thresher maws to wipe out the Alliance colony at Akuze and then did the same to the Alliance marine unit that arrived to investigate.  It's never explained exactly why the former took place, but you discover that the latter occured pretty much so that Cerberus could see what happened when the thresher maws attacked (aka "research").

You're likely right - Its been a while!  As I do recall, though, Corporal Toombs was part of your unit if you picked the Sole Survivor background, he being an MIA that was presumed KIA.

The marine unit you investigate for Kohaku, and the one with Sole Survivor/Toombs, ARE different... which just goes to show you that Cerberus is still a bunch of douches.

[Himmelstor]

It's not that they aren't evil. It's just that Cerberus and TIM have a vested interest in...well...

...living.

The Collectors/Reapers are targeting humans specifically. They are a human (pro-human, too) organization. And TIM is most likely human as well. He could be a blood balloon for when I shoot him over and over and over...

[mhammer50]

What Cerberus has done is horrendous no doubt. But if you were living in that universe, wouldn't you want the guy calling the shots and with the most fire power to look, think, eat, sleep and die like you? Sure, TIM is obviously not a good as far as other species are conserned. But when it comes to humanity as a whole no one has been able to say boo and give a real reason why. He will stab Shepard in the back if it helps mankind, but he is obviously just as willing to bring him back from the dead for the same reasons.

Modifié par mhammer50, 03 février 2010 - 02:16 .

[ashmiranda3waymm]

I like Cerberus. They stay the **** out of my way. They get **** done. I hope I have the choice to work with them again in ME3.

[Eumerin]

mhammer50 wrote...

But when it comes to humanity as a whole no one has been able to say boo and give a real reason why.

We have.  You just haven't been paying attention.

Cerberus is COMPLETELY amoral.  Yes, his assistance against the Collectors in ME2 is critical.  And yes, he happens to have a goal that's congruent with Shepard's in that game.  But that doesn't change the fact that Cerberus is an utterly abhorrant organization.  It has no morals, no ethics, no strictures.  If you're playing as a Renegade, then that might be alright - though even a lot of Renegades will probably get queasy at what Cerberus has done.  But if you're playing as a Paragon then Cerberus is literally the exact opposite of what your Shepard represents.

THAT is why Kaiden or Ashley gets so upset with you on Horizon when they realize that you're associating with Cerberus.  And it's why Liara is concerned that you might not be happy with her "giving" your corpse to Cerberus.

I believe that TIM is absolutely devoted to the goal that he has stated - i.e. what he sees as supporting humanity.  I have no reason to believe that he is at all corrupt.  Quite the contrary, I believe that he is completely devoted to the ideals that he has established for his organization.  Nor do I believe that he is trying to set himself up as ruler of the galaxy or as a power behind the throne.  But I find his methods utterly abhorrent.

Cerberus's aid may be critical to defeating the Reapers, but that doesn't mean that there's anything actually redeeming about the organization.  Aid and support by and for the organization should be limited strictly to defeating the Reapers - which is what a Paragon Shepard will be aiming for in ME2.  Everything else related to the organization should be avoided like the plague.

[EatinMcRib]

Who knows, from what I can tell you'll probably take TIM's job from him and make Cerberus into something more presentable.



I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he told you that he's your grandfather and all the events of your origin were his doing to make you what you are, and all the reason for bankrolling your resurrection.

[BabeSlayer]

I would lead Cerberus I love the organization I love the no nonsense to whatever it takes to put humanity on top. I love the reckless abandon of law (such as those against AI) for the betterment of all mankind. While everyone else plays politics Cerberus waits in the shadows to cease control. I'm with them all the way. Humanity above all.

[Erakleitos]

Cerberus is the only organization who actually cares about relevant problems. So they deserve to rule over others, especially over the Alliance and the Citadel politicians. Long live Cerberus!

[Alexandus]

People, whatever you may say about Cerberus's methods, consider this:



Cerberus's death toll, compared to the lives TIM saved by his proactivity regarding Shepard and the Collector threat in general, is insignificant.



There is no doubt that it is still an extremist, shadowy organization, but it's immorality seems to decrease as time goes on, or perhaps as humanity's power and presence increases.



Bottom Line: Cerberus has proven an extremely willing and valuable ally against the Reapers, and even a full-on self-righteous paragon player should be willing to work with them under the circumstances.

[Taritu]

Don't trust 'em. Not only do they do evil things, but Tim would use me or anyone else like a kleenex if it served his needs.

[Taritu]

oops, double posting bug

Modifié par Taritu, 03 février 2010 - 08:59 .

[Wintermist]

In Mass Effect 1 I didn't really enjoy having anyone but the humans with me on missions, I didn't feel they had anything to do on my ship. I always ran with the human crew whenever possible and I was annoyed no other legitimate soldier could jump in when one of the squad had to be sacrificed.

I have to say I was always intrigued by Cerberus being pro-human. I was curious about the reserach they was doing and I was disappointed that I couldn't find out more about them.

Now I finally can. And I understand that what I encountered in Mass Effect 1 was the science division and their work.

What I miss about Mass Effect 2 is that even though I work for Cerberus there aren't actually that much dialogue where you can discuss and talk about whatever Cerberus ahs done in the past.

I'm still very interested in the group, and perhaps I am a little pro-human myself.

[arolas6622]

I like what cerberus trys to do..

however the Man is a total A-hole especially with his basically anti alien crap lol.

so all in all i dont like cerberus as they (yes look out for humanity but) will sacrifice as many aliens and possibly humans to get what the man wants. 

[Homebound]

They killed my team in Akuze, killed Kohaku, and did experiments on Toombs. They were evil then, and they are evil now. Just because our goals are the same, doesnt make us friends. /serious face

[Eumerin]

Alexandus wrote...

There is no doubt that it is still an extremist, shadowy organization, but it's immorality seems to decrease as time goes on, or perhaps as humanity's power and presence increases.

Humanity's on the council.  As far as power is concerned, it should be enough.  But like the dialogue says at the start of the game...

"It isn't enough."

And it NEVER will be enough.

Cerberus has some merit in certain areas.  But that's just how an organization like Cerberus gets you to help.  You're bedazzled by the pretty front, and it's not until later that you realize the mess that you've gotten yourself into.

Cerberus caused the massacres at Akuze.  They wiped out a human colony and an Alliance marine unit because they wanted to see what would happen.  That was a while back.  More recently (i.e. during the first game, two years before ME2) they wiped out Kahoku's recon unit (with no rationale whatsoever provided for why they did so) and performed various other horrible activities that your Shepard may or may not have put a stop to.

ME2, from start to finish, is a well-designed trap (and kudos to Bioware for successfully crafting it).  It's a trap designed to persuade you to turn your back on ethics and morals, and side with Cerberus.  I'm not talking about "helping Cerberus defeat the Collectors".  I'm talking about continued association with the organization after the Collectors are gone.  Do you take the easy route and sign on with the group that you already know is opposed to the Reapers but does horrific things, or do you take the harder but more principled route and look for the alternatives that should exist?

[roboman7527]

all i have to say is... sticking it to TIM felt good... really good..

[huntrrz]

Jack's backstory is somewhat similar.  We know that bad things went on at the facility, but we don't know exactly how many of the bad things are actually the fault of TIM and how many are the fault of the staff deciding to exceed TIM's orders.

But TIM is responsible for everything that happened.  He provided the funding, he picked the people, he made the rules - and he established the culture that the end justifies the means, so it's not surprising that the people he picked to break society's rules would be prone to break his.  It was his responsiblity to set up safeguards to keep them in check, if only to preserve his control-freak ego.  "You delegate authority, not responsiblity."

When he and Miranda complain bitterly that "no one will trust" Cerberus it is with an astonishing lack of self-awareness.  They're so convinced that everything they do is for the best that they can't recognize that the lack of trust is solely the result of THEIR OWN actions.

[N7R C7]

I don't like or trust Cerberus, I mean they really were all high techy with their logo branded on EVERYTHING. That is the first sign of trouble when you know everything you are in and wear will have their logo on it lol



The illusive man still remains somewhat of a mystery, who knows if we will see him in ME3 or not, but I like the way Cerberus in ME1 was portrayed as evil b/c i still feel they are and I was glad at the end of the game you had the choice to break away.

[DroidZero]

I honestly do believe that the ends do justify the means, I will do whatever it takes to reach my goals, regardless of who or what stand in my way.



HOWEVER...there is a line that I do draw when it comes down to it. I will never sacrifice lives for selfish means, but I will execute a criminal for what they've done, if they've escaped the justice system.



Cerberus crosses the line way too much. They've experimented on humans like Jack and attempt to use terrorist acts to get their message spread across the galaxy. We both have similar goals but as soon as I get my chance, Cerberus and the Illusive Man will pay for their crimes.

[Speakeasy13]

I eat delicious racist kittens for breakfast.