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[NoUserNameHere]

Wipe them out, all of them.

[Landline]

I like Cerberus, its always my instinct to be the devils advocate.



They aren't going to let a little thing like morals get in the way of what they need to do.

[Habelo]

cerberus= terrorists run by smart white people.

[Nightfish103]

The only reason I worked with them im ME2 is that I was given no choice. I mean, seriously, they were painted so black in ME1 that they ranked #2 just behind the Reapers on my "Things to kill" list. A lot of the things they did were evil just for evil's sake. And it didn't matter because when they made ME1 they definetly didn't intend to make you join Cerberus in ME2. Or, if they did, they did a lousy job of setting that up. Maybe it's just me, but I can really feel the hamfisted way Cerberus is turned from the very definition of black to something gray-ish.



It's not so bad if you didn't play ME1 or didn't do the Cerberus missions. But if you did, it's a bit much to take in. Even assuming I believe that TIM never knew about the really bad things Cerberus did.. Uhm... Yea. It's still your organisation. If information is your buisness and you can't even keep track of what your own people are doing... Get a new job.



At least I got to tell him off at the end of ME2. Am pretty curious to see how that carries over to ME3, seeing how I also told the council they could shove their "reinstating me as a specter with no support whatsoever".

[Speakeasy13]

Landline wrote...

I like Cerberus, its always my instinct to be the devils advocate.

They aren't going to let a little thing like morals get in the way of what they need to do.

Yeah right. Murder your own employees. Enslaving other people. Torture children and kittens. That's so utterly neccessary.

You know when most of us say "devil's advocate", we meant it as a figure of speech, not LITERALLY acting on behalf of the devil...

[The Angry One]

Habelo wrote...

cerberus= terrorists run by smart white
people.

Are you implying that terrorism by white people
is rare?
Ever heard of the IRA?

[RyrineaNara]

cerberus= terrorists

The only reason I even worked for them is that I was given no choice in that matter..........  They did things in the game that were totaly unnesscery for exmaple Jack, enslaving people, helping Bartains slavers, putting reaper tech in someone the TIM doesn't like, blowing up the Follilta. <_<

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 09 avril 2010 - 06:02 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

No Cerberus are more like





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[Zulu_DFA]

The Angry One wrote...

Habelo wrote...

cerberus= terrorists run by smart white
people.

Are you implying that terrorism by white people
is rare?
Ever heard of the IRA?

He implies that being white and smart these days is just as bad as being a terrorist.

[Speakeasy13]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

He implies that being white and smart these days is just as bad as being a terrorist.

Well, who created terrorism? And who do most terrorist target?

Surprise, surprise. Smart, white people.

[Zulu_DFA]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

He implies that being white and smart these days is just as bad as being a terrorist.

Well, who created terrorism? And who do most terrorist target?

Surprise, surprise. Smart, white people.

Kittens created terrorism.

[Speakeasy13]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

He implies that being white and smart these days is just as bad as being a terrorist.

Well, who created terrorism? And who do most terrorist target?

Surprise, surprise. Smart, white people.

Kittens created terrorism.

No, smart, white, deliciously racist kittens created terrorism.

[Zulu_DFA]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

He implies that being white and smart these days is just as bad as being a terrorist.

Well, who created terrorism? And who do most terrorist target?

Surprise, surprise. Smart, white people.

Kittens created terrorism.

No, smart, white, deliciously racist kittens created terrorism.

Any kitten is a terrorist. When one is in the area, you cannot resist.

[uhdnrt]

Paragon Shepard sums it up the best when Shepard says "I won't let (cerberus) compromise who I am."



The poster mentioning a trap is 100% right. All of the missions you are sent on, hell, even who you recruit, is a "test" by T.I.M. to see if he can turn you to his point of view.

-He allows the recruitment of Tali to put Shepard at ease. Same with Garrus, although the Archangel/Garrus reveal threw T.I.M. minorly. The after mission reports even state this outright.

-Jacob is sent on the mission as the "good" Cerberus, and Miranda sent as the "Bad". Yet she is very persuasive and genuinely thinks Cerberus is for the best. All engineered by TIM to make you trust/sympathize With Cerberus.

-Jack is useful to TIM in that he can deny responsibility (claiming it was a rogue Cerberus agent), thus giving Shepard a false impression that the worst actions of Cerberus were done by "rogue agents".

-Thane is useful, but his seeking of "atonement" is cleverly used by TIM to reinforce that not all "evil men" are truly evil, just doing what they feel they must.

-Mordin is necessary, but his "ends justify the means" attitude is what TIM really wants Shepard to see. More subtle manipulation to get Shepard seeing that Cerberus is not as bad as they are.

-Grunt and Legion are wild cards, and I get the impression that TIM would have been happier has neither been "activated" but he rolled with it as best he could. ESPECIALLY Legion.

-Samara is a gamble. Chances are very high TIM knew who Samara was searching for, and was hoping you would side with Morinth. If not, at least Samara can give you the illusion that you are justified in your actions (another safety net to keep Shepard from seeing how far the slippery slope is actually becoming).

-DLC characters don't count towards this since both are mercs and are not relevant to the story.



All in all, the people you can recruit are very carefully picked to either put Shepard at ease (Jacob, Tali, Samara, Garrus), are wild cards (Grunt, Legion), or TIM has an ulterior motive for you having in your team (Miranda, Jack, Thane, Morinth). And that ulterior motive? Convincing Shepard that Cerberus is either a necessary evil or has the right idea.



Judging by a lot of the posts in this thread, it worked beautifully.

[Kurt M.]

Tamcia wrote...

In the end he goes - Cerberus is humanity etc. They want power.

Everybody wants power. What really matters is what you do with it.

[DPSSOC]

Cerberus brought me back to life so that makes them ok in my books (ok meaning I don't hate them).



Honestly I think TIM says it best when you get self righteous on him (after the Collecter vessel I think) where he says, "You know very little about me or my intentions, don't presume to judge me." or something to that effect. I don't know enough about Cerberus to judge them either way so I give them the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason why I shouldn't.

[Terraneaux]

Cerberus is trying to hide nothing short of cosmically malicious intentions behind a giant wall of bull****. TIM needs to be drawn and quartered and his organization dismantled and picked apart for anything useful that the ALLIANCE (i.e. humanity) could use.

[Notho]

It was a necessary evil to work for them. Now that the whole 'Collector' problem is over with, would you mind handing me a grenade?

[DPSSOC]

Still got the Reapers to deal with though, and I know the Council has been soooooooo helpful but you may still need them.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 09 avril 2010 - 07:00 .

[MassAffected]

I loved them, then I hated them, now I'm not so sure about them.

[Lord_Tirian]

uhdnrt wrote...

All in all, the people you can recruit are very carefully picked to either put Shepard at ease (Jacob, Tali, Samara, Garrus), are wild cards (Grunt, Legion), or TIM has an ulterior motive for you having in your team (Miranda, Jack, Thane, Morinth). And that ulterior motive? Convincing Shepard that Cerberus is either a necessary evil or has the right idea.

Note that he did the same with the crew - most Cerberus operatives in ME1 are die-hard followers. In ME2, the crew consists of... normal people. Joker and Chakwas are just in for you, so are the engineers (they say as much as that). The crew seems to be a bunch of real do-gooders and disgruntled Alliance soldiers, people like your Shepard, ditto Kelly, she's a bubbly, friendly personality "hand-picked by the Illusive Man", i.e. not your average Cerberus follower.

TIM does loads of stuff to make you feel like Cerberus is only a necessary evil. But really, they're Evil with a capital 'E'.

Of course, my MainShep will only be truly happy if she can shoot TIM and say "This is for Akuze!" *BLAM* "This is for Kohaku!" *BLAM* "This is for Toombs!" *BLAM*

[Master Smurf]

His end-game wasnt to stop the Collectors harvesting humans, it was to get you to deliver Collector Tech and put Cerberus ahead of the rest of the universe. They would move from just being a shadowy organization with a huge powerbase to a movement that could openly threaten not just the Alliance but the Council.

If you side with TIM - he just needs you to stop the Reapers then assassinate you and fill the power vacuum with his chosen puppet.

Cerberus hasnt done anything to show that they are "only" pro human - that is just there tagline.

[DPSSOC]

Lord_Tirian wrote...

Note that he did the same with the crew - most Cerberus operatives in ME1 are die-hard followers. In ME2, the crew consists of... normal people. Joker and Chakwas are just in for you, so are the engineers (they say as much as that). The crew seems to be a bunch of real do-gooders and disgruntled Alliance soldiers, people like your Shepard, ditto Kelly, she's a bubbly, friendly personality "hand-picked by the Illusive Man", i.e. not your average Cerberus follower.

TIM does loads of stuff to make you feel like Cerberus is only a necessary evil. But really, they're Evil with a capital 'E'.

Anyone ever consider the non-standard Cerberus crew were chosen so none of them could hold you responsible for killing their friends?  It's a long shot but maybe.

Lord_Tirian wrote...
Of course, my MainShep will only be truly happy if she can shoot TIM and say "This is for Akuze!" *BLAM* "This is for Kohaku!" *BLAM* "This is for Toombs!" *BLAM*

Anyone else think of that scene from Batman Forever?

[Master Smurf]

Lord_Tirian wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

All in all, the people you can recruit are very carefully picked to either put Shepard at ease (Jacob, Tali, Samara, Garrus), are wild cards (Grunt, Legion), or TIM has an ulterior motive for you having in your team (Miranda, Jack, Thane, Morinth). And that ulterior motive? Convincing Shepard that Cerberus is either a necessary evil or has the right idea.

Note that he did the same with the crew - most Cerberus operatives in ME1 are die-hard followers. In ME2, the crew consists of... normal people. Joker and Chakwas are just in for you, so are the engineers (they say as much as that). The crew seems to be a bunch of real do-gooders and disgruntled Alliance soldiers, people like your Shepard, ditto Kelly, she's a bubbly, friendly personality "hand-picked by the Illusive Man", i.e. not your average Cerberus follower.

TIM does loads of stuff to make you feel like Cerberus is only a necessary evil. But really, they're Evil with a capital 'E'.

Of course, my MainShep will only be truly happy if she can shoot TIM and say "This is for Akuze!" *BLAM* "This is for Kohaku!" *BLAM* "This is for Toombs!" *BLAM*

Mine too - hopefully we get the chance (huge side mission) to infiltrate his base and kill/arrest him in ME3

[TheCrakFox]

I'll stick with them while they're helping me save the galaxy, but as soon as the reapers are dead Cerberus can suck it!