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[Habelo]

Reading this comments i had like a foresight into the ending of ME3 where you can choose on wether to make humans a reaper and make a genocide of the rest of the galaxy or fight the reapers- and fail!



Go out like spartacus! DEATH BEFORE DISHOUNOR!

[danitiwa]

No trust, but there's no direct believable evidence they themselves are evil on purpose.

[RyrineaNara]

My main Female Shepard wouldn't mind putting A lot OF bullets in TOO his head even thought she is a Paragon. It will be like this Boom that for Kaidan, Boom that For Tombs, Boom that is for Samara who had gotten killed in that play through by accident, Boom that for putting my team in danger.

[tonnactus]

Tim murdered politicans and took children away from their parents,use experimental drugs on them.Read the books.
I dont ake this stupid rogue cell explanation serious.There are far to many rogue cells.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

I trust the people who serve and fight alongside me, just not the orginization as a whole.

This

[Vaenier]

TIM is a necessary part of Alliance government. He is The Smoking Man, the shadow figure operating outside the normal government soup, doing the dirty work that is required.

Without TIM, the Normandy would not be built, Shep would never have gone to Edam Prime, Saren would have succeeded and caused a Reaper invasion.

Saving the galaxy > Killing some random people.

[wulf3n]

Vaenier wrote...
doing the dirty work that is required..

im still not convinced that what they do is required. and in the long run, they'll probably cause more trouble than the good the do.

but the only way to know for sure, would be to have them not interfere for a few years, see if humanity is better or worse off.

[knightnblu]

Cerberus is evil. After dealing with the reapers and the Shadow Broker, I would hunt down TIM and put a bullet between his eyes.

[prizm123]

i figure i can play along with TIM, keep Miranda's sister safe with Cerberus resources, then have Miranda take over the organization when i finally have the chance to plant a slug between his eyes

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Spectre_Shepard wrote...
In ME1, Cerberus was obviously shown to be this corrupt, evil entity...

Actually in ME1 we weren't told anything meaningful about them at all.

Anyway, as for how I feel about them; they're a necessary evil.

Except "necessary evil" is a self-contradictory notion.

[Zulu_DFA]

prizm123 wrote...

i figure i can play along with TIM, keep Miranda's sister safe with Cerberus resources, then have Miranda take over the organization when i finally have the chance to plant a slug between his eyes

How is Miranda supposed to take over if she knows nothing about Cerberus except general policy outlines and the one cell she leads?

[Highdragonslayer]

      The Cerberus crew members on your ship don't seem like bad people because they're ship egineers not the guys who do experiments on people. Cerberus does experiments similar to how the N azis experimented on jews in internment camps, both strangely believed that they were doing the best for humanity, which we all know is bull crap. Except the Cerberus scientists willingly do what they do, when in the N azi's case they were being controlled by a power hungry dictator. Final verdict, Illusive man is evil, so are his scientists, however the people who build and maintain ships, and the doctors who only heal not experiment are not evil.

Modifié par Highdragonslayer, 10 avril 2010 - 03:57 .

[uhdnrt]

danitiwa wrote...

No trust, but there's no direct believable evidence they themselves are evil on purpose.

Toombs (ME1) contradicts your statement.  The summary of ME: Ascencion (ME2) contradicts your statement.  General Kohaku (ME1) contradicts your statement.  T.I.M.'s powerplay at the end of the game for the collector base contradicts your statement.

You are wrong.  There is evidence in BOTH games and in the surrounding lore proving that Cerberus is evil.

Again, see my posts on page 5 - I theorize that every party member save for the DLC's, Grunt, and Legion were suggested for recruitment by T.I.M. with ulterior motives involved (iether for false comfort or to blur the lines between moral and immoral decisions).

Cerberus is evil - and the primary plot of ME2 is whether you will let yourself be seduced by evil as you strive to do something truly good and necessary.  ME2 is about temptation, salvation, and corruption that just so happens to also save humanity (the collectors are NOT a direct threat to all races - likely wouldn't be until after the reaper is finished).

[abstractwhiz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Spectre_Shepard wrote...
In ME1, Cerberus was obviously shown to be this corrupt, evil entity...

Actually in ME1 we weren't told anything meaningful about them at all.

Anyway, as for how I feel about them; they're a necessary evil.

Except "necessary evil" is a self-contradictory notion.

I agree with this, but that's not the normal sense of the word 'evil'. People read all sorts of other meanings into words like that. 

[DPSSOC]

uhdnrt wrote...

danitiwa wrote...

No trust, but there's no direct believable evidence they themselves are evil on purpose.

Toombs (ME1) contradicts your statement.  The summary of ME: Ascencion (ME2) contradicts your statement.  General Kohaku (ME1) contradicts your statement.  T.I.M.'s powerplay at the end of the game for the collector base contradicts your statement.

You are wrong.  There is evidence in BOTH games and in the surrounding lore proving that Cerberus is evil.

No, if they were doing the experiments for the pure sadistic glee of it than yes they would be evil, as it stands they're simply amoral.  The experiements they were doing were brutal but also would have delivered more accurate results faster than more humane methods would have.  You need to remember that humanity is playing catch-up with the other races by millenia; while you may disagree that puts pressure on us to go for speed, not finesse, in technological advancement.
Admiral Kahoku was a regrettable tragedy but necessary for Cerberus to maintain secrecy.  Even TIM's little slip with the Collector base wasn't truly evil.  How many of us can honestly say if they had a chance to grab technology 200 years more advanced than ours they wouldn't jump on it.  That TIM seeks to horde this technology shows he's selfish and ambitious, not evil.

uhdnrt wrote...
Again, see my posts on page 5 - I theorize that every party member save for the DLC's, Grunt, and Legion were suggested for recruitment by T.I.M. with ulterior motives involved (iether for false comfort or to blur the lines between moral and immoral decisions).

I actually do buy that theory.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 10 avril 2010 - 03:28 .

[wulf3n]

DPSSOC wrote...

No, if they were doing the experiments for the pure sadistic glee of it than yes they would be evil, as it stands they're simply amoral.

Well i guess that depends on how you define evil.

But i wouldn't be calling Political Assassinations, Murder, Child Abduction, Torture and unprovoked attacks against allies, only amoral. 

[archurban]

Cerberus is necessary evil. for pro-humanity, it's right to do whatever human being wants. but for the rest of universe, it's not good that they are afraid of human dominance. even I am the one of them, I don't want it. harmony can solve all problems. do you think that only human beings can be doing right thing here? wrong.



anyway, we still have unfinished business in ME3. so we still need Cerberus help no matter what we want or not. simply it is almost impossible to maintain all things by Shepard unless some groups donate fund to keep his mission without Cerberus. actually, this pro human group makes tons of money for risky missions. you heard 'billions' per year. that's all we want to keep the mission continue. but I don't trust it anyway. Illusive man is half evil. who knows? he might be shadow broker or not.



that's why I can't wait for ME3. how the story will be ended. I think that you guys are all the same like me.

[Cypher0020]

I'm not a fan of Cerberus's methods... hell no. But if my Shep tool control she'd reign them in for Alliance judgement and Council judgment.



She trusts her team, Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Kelly, Joker, Chakwas...



she helped them, they trust her, so she trusts them.... and guess what... they all got out of the Omega 4 Relay alive...



Yes.... my Shepard prefers to take her spec ops team, new ship and become independant for ME3. No Alliance or Cerberus pulling her strings

[Sand King]

I trust TIM & the Lazarus cell not the cells the tortured Jack or killed Kahoku

[Cypher0020]

You trust TIM?! He set Shepard up for Horizon and Collector ship for a 'just in case they may show up sorta thing!



Horizon.... the Collector ship... the dead Reaper.... yeah.... he probably knew the IFF was virus riddled too...

[Zulu_DFA]

Cypher0020 wrote...

You trust TIM?! He set Shepard up for Horizon and Collector ship for a 'just in case they may show up sorta thing!

Horizon.... the Collector ship... the dead Reaper.... yeah.... he probably knew the IFF was virus riddled too...

It's called anticipation.

[RayneMoon]

To be honest I think they really are just human supremacists.
It just seems like they want humans to run everything or to at least be in control of everything that matters.
They do terrible things for the "advancement of humanity", but in the process have lost the most important
aspect of humanity, which is showing humanity to other humans.
   The difference in Cerberus and other black ops groups regulated by governments is that Cerberus has no
rules, and ultimate power corrupts ultimately. That's why it isn't a matter of 'if' but a matter of 'when' when we talk about Cerberus trying to do something outrageously stupid and horrid.

[Sand King]

Cypher0020 wrote...

You trust TIM?! He set Shepard up for Horizon and Collector ship for a 'just in case they may show up sorta thing!

Horizon.... the Collector ship... the dead Reaper.... yeah.... he probably knew the IFF was virus riddled too...

The ends justifies the means

[Chuvvy]

Meh, I prefer Grey to black and white.