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[Brand New]

Anticitizen1 wrote...

Yes, I always thought that it was the Reapers plan just to lure humans into the Omega 4 Relay.
What I don't get however, is why the Collectors attacked the Normandy, apparently trying to kill Shepard, and then turned right around and wanted to collect his body. Why didn't they just board the ship the first time like they did later in the game if they wanted to get Shepard? Destroying the ship ran the risk of completely incinerating him.
And honestly. Come on. The Illusive Man has to be the Shadow Broker. He's just playing both sides, whichever one wins, he comes out on top.

Many people have seen TIM. Liara says she met the shadow broker did she not? If so & she's also seen TIM this would seem wrong.

[XenogearsOwnsAll]

KalosCast wrote...

Humanity killed a god, so now they have to become the new one. Haven't you people ever played God of War?

The more I think about it, the more I believe that Humanity's actions in ME1 gained at least a grudging respect from the Reapers. This is them saying that we're good enough to be a Reaper. It's actually a horrifying, bloody, compliment.

Yes but the question at hand is, why not wait until the Reapers arrive and conquer the galaxy, and THEN start building Human Reapers?  The best explanation given the information we have is that it was meant to be a replacement for Sovereign, and find another way to facilitate the Reaper invasion, or there might be some sort of twist involved.

[RampantBeaver]

I assumed this was the answer to the big question 'What do the reapers want?' They can't breed so they build new ones from the most dominant species at the time of the extinction cycle. I noticed that when you see the reapers at the end they are not all the same. This is how the reproduce.

EDIT: and yes like most others have said it would have fulfilled sovereigns role of facilitating the reapers return.

Modifié par RampantBeaver, 03 février 2010 - 01:36 .

[Anticitizen1]

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

Anticitizen1 wrote...

Yes, I always thought that it was the Reapers plan just to lure humans into the Omega 4 Relay.
What I don't get however, is why the Collectors attacked the Normandy, apparently trying to kill Shepard, and then turned right around and wanted to collect his body. Why didn't they just board the ship the first time like they did later in the game if they wanted to get Shepard? Destroying the ship ran the risk of completely incinerating him.
And honestly. Come on. The Illusive Man has to be the Shadow Broker. He's just playing both sides, whichever one wins, he comes out on top.

Again, as much as I love this theory, why did Harbinger get pissed at the end that his plan had failed?  I don't think this explanation is possible.  However, I DO think that the Omega 4 Relay may have been utilized in some way to transport the rest of the reapers, had the Human Reaper been completed.  Perhaps if the Human Reaper used it, the rest of them might have been able to lock onto its coordinates and use it, or something like that.  Again, I hope the explanation is something like this.

Well their plan could have been to lure the humans/Shepard into the Omega 4 Relay. But they probably never expected them to get inside, kill the human-reaper, and the destroy the base.
Harbinger could have just been mad about that  part of it.

Also, I don't recall for sure, if Liara says she ever SAW the Shadow Broker.
Meeting him definitely, seeing him I don't know about. And I mean...maybe he wore a mask, maybe he sent someone else in his place, there are a thousand different ways he could have covered up his real identity.

Modifié par Anticitizen1, 03 février 2010 - 01:39 .

[KalosCast]

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

Humanity killed a god, so now they have to become the new one. Haven't you people ever played God of War?

The more I think about it, the more I believe that Humanity's actions in ME1 gained at least a grudging respect from the Reapers. This is them saying that we're good enough to be a Reaper. It's actually a horrifying, bloody, compliment.

Yes but the question at hand is, why not wait until the Reapers arrive and conquer the galaxy, and THEN start building Human Reapers?  The best explanation given the information we have is that it was meant to be a replacement for Sovereign, and find another way to facilitate the Reaper invasion, or there might be some sort of twist involved.

Facilitate the reaper invasion, as well as the game clearly showed that it was an effective way to get a jump-start on the millions of human lives that you need to build this thing without having to worry about them getting taken out in the war or risk your small group of collectors against the full force of the human fleet.

Modifié par KalosCast, 03 février 2010 - 01:37 .

[DarthCaine]

Harbinger: "We will find another way"



IMO they can't get out from dark space until someone activates the Citadel Relay

[Abirn]

DarthCaine wrote...

Harbinger: "We will find another way"

IMO they can't get out from dark space until someone activates the Citadel Relay

They were right at the edge of the galaxy at the very end of ME2.  Theres no magical barrier preventing them from flying in.

[Annihilator27]

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

Anticitizen1 wrote...

Yes, I always thought that it was the Reapers plan just to lure humans into the Omega 4 Relay.
What I don't get however, is why the Collectors attacked the Normandy, apparently trying to kill Shepard, and then turned right around and wanted to collect his body. Why didn't they just board the ship the first time like they did later in the game if they wanted to get Shepard? Destroying the ship ran the risk of completely incinerating him.
And honestly. Come on. The Illusive Man has to be the Shadow Broker. He's just playing both sides, whichever one wins, he comes out on top.

Again, as much as I love this theory, why did Harbinger get pissed at the end that his plan had failed?  I don't think this explanation is possible.  However, I DO think that the Omega 4 Relay may have been utilized in some way to transport the rest of the reapers, had the Human Reaper been completed.  Perhaps if the Human Reaper used it, the rest of them might have been able to lock onto its coordinates and use it, or something like that.  Again, I hope the explanation is something like this.

When it said "you have failed, We will find another way" I thought that it meant that shepard has failed to stop the impending invasion and that it and the rest of the repears will find another way to the galaxy. It looks like they are going to fly there.

[withateethuh]

Abirn wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Harbinger: "We will find another way"

IMO they can't get out from dark space until someone activates the Citadel Relay

They were right at the edge of the galaxy at the very end of ME2.  Theres no magical barrier preventing them from flying in.

Judging from the view, their location is still well over a 100,000 lightyears away (the diameter of the milky way is 100,000 light years) Even with faster than light travel, it would take them a really really long time to get there. And Shepard doesn't have that long to be alive shooting things.

[XenogearsOwnsAll]

DarthCaine wrote...

Harbinger: "We will find another way"

IMO they can't get out from dark space until someone activates the Citadel Relay

I think they are trying to find another way to reach the galaxy.  Either the Human Reaper was part of this plan, or they were going to leave it up to the Human Reaper to survey the galaxy and come up with a plan.  I really wish we didn't have to wait two years before this is possibly clarified.

[elmephd1]

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

They finish building the Reaper and then what?

After ME1 the Reapers are behind schedule so they're getting their slaves to do the job they'd overwise be doing themselves (harvesting species). Beforehand the collectors were probably more or less doing the same thing, but on a far smaller scale, aquiring diverse specimens of alien species so that when the Reapers did return their job would be a little simpler.

Also the Human Reaper would replace Sovereign and yes a finished one could quite probably successfully attack the station (especially with humanity out of the way and the collectors joining the fight).

[thethain]

The reapers do not understand humans, they want to understand how this minor pathetic lifeform was able to interfere and destroy one of their own. The only way for the reapers to truly understand and communicate with humans is to create a human reaper. Sovereign said in the first ME that he was a legion and beyond shepards understanding. The reaper technology has somehow found the essence (spirit, soul, chi, whatever) of organic life and recreates it into an eternal mechanical shell.



The reapers could very well in their own mind be "saving" the galaxy, they take the brightest of the sentient species they find in universe, and preserve them forever by creating a reaper from them. Furthermore they are interested in self preservation, and by "reaping" galaxies every couple of eons, they ensure that no species can become so advanced that they can stand against the reapers.



As for why using Saren from ME1, I think that the reapers plan is to kill the fewest amount of sentient beings as possible, as the prothean tech in ME1 suggested the primary tactic of reapers was to divide and conquer. So you want to as subtly as possible enter the galaxy and begin reaping.



Protheans unusable as reapers, this is a lot of guesswork, but here goes. First, the Reaper created from the people retains a collection of their thoughts, ideas, opinions, that is why sovereign is we. The protheans happened to advance more than any other species (in milky way) and as such may have generally known and worked on defenses against the reapers. As such a group of billions of protheans would hate the reapers and what they stand for. Where other uninformed races, may lack a full understanding of reapers and after the process accept that they have actually been granted a great gift from the reapers.



Final thought: The first reapers may have even been a "traditional" alien race, that eventually discovered the idea of condensing themselves into eternal ships. Meaning they willingly killed themselves by the billions in order to preserve themselves.

[SunfighterG8]

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Harbinger: "We will find another way"

IMO they can't get out from dark space until someone activates the Citadel Relay

I think they are trying to find another way to reach the galaxy.  Either the Human Reaper was part of this plan, or they were going to leave it up to the Human Reaper to survey the galaxy and come up with a plan.  I really wish we didn't have to wait two years before this is possibly clarified.

Or it could mean that the collectors failed in capturing shepard, the only real threat to the reapers right now, as the rest of the galxay seems content in ignoring the impending threat.

Im telling you, all of ME2 was a lure. We acted exactly the way they wanted us to. The empire stuck back..we just wont know about it till ME3. Im still saying it has something to do with that damn gate...why is it red..it had to have another function other then a gate, because all the others are white/blue and worked the same way. Why the red? Red in the mass effect universe seems to signify reapers.... Nazara in ME1 had strange red electrical fields and passed though to Saren though red electrical fields, Harbringer glows red..etc etc.... Why would bioware bother to have that gate glow red if it had the same generic function as any other gate? Unless they really think their playerbase is so dumb they need a red light to show them which gate to go though..

[mintek]

Jack Anvil wrote...

Perhaps creating a human-reaper was to learn of the humans' versatility - to know for sure that they've found a race that can be processed to sustain the life of a Reaper.

Or perhaps in a few years, the human-reaper was meant to activate the Citadel relay where Sovereign/Nazara failed, but ten again, the Collectors could have attempted that, as Saren did. For that matter, why was Saren necessary? The Collectors could have used their own beacons, as they have prothean minds (since they are ancient protheans), plus, they would not have needed to acquire the Cipher.

Hmm....

Because the collector are almost as mindless as husk as you can learn in the game. Saren in m1 explain to you that in order to be useful to sovereign saren needed to be able to keep some free will and not be a mindless slave. Which was obiviously the requiment to read the beacons sovereign needed. He could not attack the citadel unless saren could use the conduit to turn down the citadel defense and give manual control of the citadel to him. The human reaper probably had the same goal, they needed a reaper to manualy activate the citadel relay again. Best way to do it when no reapers are here was to build another with the best spicies they could find.

[screwoffreg]

Another Reaper in the Milky Way would mean another chance at reopening the Relay at the Citadel, would it not?

[Anticitizen1]

I really don't think the color Red has much to do with it. At all actually.

[XenogearsOwnsAll]

elmephd1 wrote...

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

They finish building the Reaper and then what?

After ME1 the Reapers are behind schedule so they're getting their slaves to do the job they'd overwise be doing themselves (harvesting species). Beforehand the collectors were probably more or less doing the same thing, but on a far smaller scale, aquiring diverse specimens of alien species so that when the Reapers did return their job would be a little simpler.

Also the Human Reaper would replace Sovereign and yes a finished one could quite probably successfully attack the station (especially with humanity out of the way and the collectors joining the fight).

Yeah, I guess with humanity out of the way it might be possible to succeed in attacking the Citadel....but I'm trying to figure out if their plan was supposed to be clear in this game, or if Bioware purposefully left the purpose of the Human Reaper unclear.

The plan to use it to attack the Citadel, and as Sovereign's replacement, is reasonable but is never clearly implied by the game.  I'm just bummed to have to wait two years for some sort of clarification.

[Dewarren2010]

My only guess is that the Collectors are constantly abducting aliens with genetic biodiversity to find a species that is "equal" to the Reapers original forms before they made themselves into Machines, and after X amount of time with no results, they wipe out the galaxy to start a clean slate, maybe doing the same with other galaxies across the universe. The Protheans were 'almost there", but the Reapers discovered that they had been doing experiments on other, pre-space era species (humanity, hanar) and that the next cycle could bring the 'perfect match" because of it. And since the protheans are the only ones who understand the experiment wholly, they kept them around to test the next batch. eventually they found that humanity was that perfect match, and created a human reaper to test that.

Just my guess. And what they aim to achieve through a Human Reaper is beyond me.

Modifié par Dewarren2010, 03 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[Dmasterman]

It wasn't the collector's plan. It was the reapers =P

[SunfighterG8]

Anticitizen1 wrote...

I really don't think the color Red has much to do with it. At all actually.

Understandable...but I still question...why make it distinct from every other mass relay? Just for gameplay purposes? And if its that..does bioware think their playerbase is dumb or something that we couldnt find the gate?  ..... It just seems strange to me that theyd bother making a unique gate graphic if that gate was only just a gate...

[Kyero]

These two Cutscenes tell why Humans > all species

1. (this one has both in one)
2. (

Modifié par Kyero, 03 février 2010 - 02:51 .

[ArcanistLibram]

I don't think there was an elaborate plan. The Reapers just wanted to make more Reapers.

[Jimbe2693]

"We are the Harbinger of their perfection, prepare these humans for ascension"

or something like that

[Skilled Seeker]

Was the Shadow Broker working with the Collecters? At least the comic that came with the special edition made it seem so. Also can we assume that the Collecters are now extinct?

[Lyrandori]

My biggest question of all is...



How the hell would that thing move in space? Would they make some swimming animation? Or would it have the Superman pose or something? I'm sorry but I can't imagine a humanoid-shaped spaceship moving around in any possible posture or animations without looking goofy and idiotic.