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[Mabari Owns High Dragon]

I have to say I agree that the human reaper was much more then it seemed.. Combining the reaper and human DNA could have had crazy effects and one freaking awesome machine. The fact that the Harbinger was so made maybe has two different meanings as well. He was mad the human Reaper died and shepherd escaped. Maybe their goal is not to use shepherds DNA to control the Reaper. Remember he asks Shepherd to join us or you will be one of us or something like that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lyrandori wrote...

My biggest question of all is...

How the hell would that thing move in space? Would they make some swimming animation? Or would it have the Superman pose or something? I'm sorry but I can't imagine a humanoid-shaped spaceship moving around in any possible posture or animations without looking goofy and idiotic.

[ERJAK2]

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

SunfighterG8 wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

They were trying to ****** Shepard off.
You know, just to see what he does.
It's like a game to them.

Trying to lure the organics to activate something unaware they are doing so....as the Patriarch on Omega said...you screw with their family and they will attack you all stupid... We probably activated something for the reapers when we passed through the omega 4 gate with a reaper IFF.

See, THAT'S the kind of thing that I want to see Bioware pull with Mass Effect 3.  Like, the whole thing was just a trick to get them to use the Reaper IFF on the gate, and they were building the Human Reaper just to screw with Shepards' head.

Now HOW BADASS would that be.  It would be like the greatest ironic F-you they could pull on humanity.

Edit: ****, that theory is also ruined by Harbinger getting pissed off at the end.  But what I'm saying is, I really hope there is some kind of twist like that involved.

Harbinger is telepathically communicating with shepard the whole time(at least that's what it looked like) of course he would have to put on a ruse. Which, if you listen to the dialogue again as him talking literally, it's actually quite clever.

[ShadowAldrius]

The Reaper fleet isn't flying there. They're still looking for another way into the Milky Way. That's what Harbinger's 'We will find another way' comment was supposed to mean. At least, that's what I thought it was supposed to mean. Plus I'm pretty sure the Reaper fleet wasn't actually moving at the end of ME2... but I could be really wrong about that.

Now, I think the Reaper's plan in ME2. Was to build a new vanguard to replace Sovereign. Nothing more, nothing less. Getting a powerful agent on an inside was their goal. That's all.

Now HOW BADASS would that be.  It would be like the greatest ironic F-you they could pull on humanity.

That would be awful. It wouldn't even make sense.

Sometimes a spade is a spade.

Modifié par ShadowAldrius, 03 février 2010 - 03:09 .

[Brahlis]

@OP

Did you even play the game?

[Doomhams]

My thoughts are that the Reapers the last few years looking at the various species and determines which one is superior to the rest. They then target this race for construction of a new reaper. Shepherd defeating Sovereign/Nazara probably gave them a clue as to which species to target. Also, thinking back to the Prothean beacon images, I think they use the most superior individual of the targeted species as the person to use to give consciencenous to the new reaper, using indoctrination or whatever to facilitate appropriate reaper behavior. I also have an inciling that there is someone above the reapers that is the true enemy, time will tell.

[Giantevilhead]

Since the new Reaper was being made with human DNA, I think it's reasonable to assume that it would be better at indoctrinating humans. I'm guessing that the Reapers' plan was to use the human Reaper to indoctrinate the Alliance and get the humans to help them open the Citadel relay.

[Orogenic]

The reapers plan is to throw off the humans by making their ultimate superweapon look like a bad Saturday morning cartoon.



And it would've worked too.. if it hadn't been for you MEDDLING KIDS!!!!

[BigKahuna25]

SunfighterG8 wrote...

Trying to lure the organics to activate something unaware they are doing so....as the Patriarch on Omega said...you screw with their family and they will attack you all stupid... We probably activated something for the reapers when we passed through the omega 4 gate with a reaper IFF.

What? Then why don't they just say to the collectors "Here's an IFF put it in your ship and go back and fourth through the relay." They WERE making another whole reaper after all, if they could do that it would have to have the IFF anyway. not to mention the collector ship itself surely had to have one already too.

Modifié par BigKahuna25, 03 février 2010 - 03:24 .

[XenogearsOwnsAll]

Dmasterman wrote...

It wasn't the collector's plan. It was the reapers =P

Semantics >_>

[Tsumoro]

To my understanding and I could be wrong, but this is the way I saw it.



Collectors encouraged the plague to get rid of the other species leaving humans intact for localized study because as a race we have more modifications to our genome through diseases etc whereas other races do not.



Reasons for this is that a human was responsible for the death of a Reaper, after millions and millions of years spent destroying civilization and allowing it to rebuild this is the only time it's bit them on the ass. So they are curious, After all, what has changed on this occasion of the harvesting that makes it so different than the previous times? So this 'fluke' has them wanting to branch out and find out the cause.



First and for most, they test the other species to see if this 'fluke' is something all species can obtain. Most likely their findings were 'no'. So now they want to gather all the humans they can to isolate how this event took place and eradicate it.



The only other species to achieve something like this was the Protheans and thus, they tested human DNA with Prothean DNA and not to clear on what the findings were, not enough info alas.



As to why the Reaper at the end was like a huge ass exo skeleton of a human, my impression is that the Reapers are trying to 'evolve'. After all, evolution is mentioned by the Collectors over and over again. That it is our genetic destiny.



I believe the Reapers believed themselves to be 'perfect' and now one of them is dead.. which means they are not perfect and humanity holds the key to their perfection.



Sorry for the strange writing style, very tired, 4am here nearly lol.

[XenogearsOwnsAll]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

The Reaper fleet isn't flying there. They're still looking for another way into the Milky Way. That's what Harbinger's 'We will find another way' comment was supposed to mean. At least, that's what I thought it was supposed to mean. Plus I'm pretty sure the Reaper fleet wasn't actually moving at the end of ME2... but I could be really wrong about that.

Now, I think the Reaper's plan in ME2. Was to build a new vanguard to replace Sovereign. Nothing more, nothing less. Getting a powerful agent on an inside was their goal. That's all.

Now HOW BADASS would that be.  It would be like the greatest ironic F-you they could pull on humanity.

That would be awful. It wouldn't even make sense.

Sometimes a spade is a spade.

Very often, the most badass thing to do makes no sense:huh:

Honestly, I've pretty much settled on the Human Reaper being a replacement for Sovereign like you just said, at least as far as what Bioware wants us to think regarding it's purpose.  I'm still predicting some kind of twist involving it.

[77boy84]

The Human Reaper wasn't meant to indoctrinate humans.



When you're on the collector ship, you find out that that the main target is Earth. Shepard was the first one to actually stop the reapers, so they want to make him and his whole race one of them to keep that **** from happening.

[XenogearsOwnsAll]

Ok, to merge together a couple of the ideas that have been presented in this thread:

The Reapers concluded that the reason Sovereign failed to open the Citadel relay was due  to the intervention of the humans.  So, they figured that their best chance at activating the relay would be to create a replacement for Sovereign using human DNA (at this point the Collectors stopped experimenting on all of the galaxy's species, and began focusing entirely on humans).  This way, humanity would meet its "match" (the Reapers' theory) in the form of a human Reaper, which would theoretically be able to successfully open the Citadel relay.  Logically, the Reapers would have indoctrinated any abducted humans that were not used to build the Reaper and used them as soldiers as they did the Geth.

I'd say that makes plenty of sense for now.

[Stoko981]

I don't know why the Reapers didn't just use the Collectors as a ruse. Send a Collector envoy into Council space. Spin a tale about how they're called the Nibblonians or something, and they just found a relay in their system that's been sealed off this entire time. Play it through to the point that Collectors are allowed into the Council Chambers, for negotiations or ceremonies or whatever. At which point, those Collectors unleash hoardes of stasis bugs, freezing anyone in the vicinity who could stop them using the Master Control Console to open the Citadel relay.



I mean the Collectors were pretty mindless, but they were able to function enough to make deals with mercs to kidnap specific individuals. I see no reason they couldn't pull it off. Not to mention everyone in Council space thinks they're mythical. As long as they made up a fake name for themselves, I don't see anyone connecting the dots.



I also really don't get the Reapers' interest in Shepard. I mean, okay, so he thwarted their plans. But if they wanted his body, why didn't they just retrieve it themselves after destroying the SR-1? Why blow the ship and leave?

[ManBearPig91]

ReubenLiew wrote...

They were trying to ****** Shepard off.
You know, just to see what he does.
It's like a game to them.

It's kind of like what little brothers do.

[77boy84]

Stoko981 wrote...

I don't know why the Reapers didn't just use the Collectors as a ruse. Send a Collector envoy into Council space. Spin a tale about how they're called the Nibblonians or something, and they just found a relay in their system that's been sealed off this entire time. Play it through to the point that Collectors are allowed into the Council Chambers, for negotiations or ceremonies or whatever. At which point, those Collectors unleash hoardes of stasis bugs, freezing anyone in the vicinity who could stop them using the Master Control Console to open the Citadel relay.

I mean the Collectors were pretty mindless, but they were able to function enough to make deals with mercs to kidnap specific individuals. I see no reason they couldn't pull it off. Not to mention everyone in Council space thinks they're mythical. As long as they made up a fake name for themselves, I don't see anyone connecting the dots.

I also really don't get the Reapers' interest in Shepard. I mean, okay, so he thwarted their plans. But if they wanted his body, why didn't they just retrieve it themselves after destroying the SR-1? Why blow the ship and leave?

They probably didn't do that because the collectors where mainly looking for races that could be used to make new reapers, and at the time, the reapers thought the relay plan was foolproof.

[Highdragonslayer]

     Isn't it obvious?! Have you seen one reaper with an opposable thumb at all?! That's right, you don't!

Do you know how that would come in handy when trying to destroy all organic life?

Modifié par Highdragonslayer, 03 février 2010 - 04:28 .

[XenogearsOwnsAll]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

     Isn't it obvious?! Have you seen one reaper with an opposable thumb at all?! That's you don't!

Do you know how that would come in handy when trying to destroy all organic life?

OH SHI-

[olliewilliams19]

i would guess it was to be used in place of the first reaper (i know his name but cant spell for ****)

anyway they where going to use him and there own ships which had way better tech than shepards but at the rate they where abducting humans i would say it couldnt have been much longer and the seen at the end was just showing them being bad *** where people come off assuming it means there just going to fly in like a bunch of moths from space i have no idea

[Myrmedus]

By the way...people keep asking how the Human-Reaper would move in space. I'm pretty sure the organic sort of super-version of the species is purely the Reaper's 'core' which is then built around with pure synthetics, kind of like its armor. The human shape would be incarcerated into a more Reaper-like shape, so I'm sorry but I doubt you'd see any Megatron stunts

[Notho]

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

They were trying to ****** Shepard off.
You know, just to see what he does.
It's like a game to them.

You know, I actually kind of like this explanation, but it's kind of ruined by the fact that Harbinger gets all pissed off that you ruined his plan at the end.  The game makes it clear that the Reapers were really banking on their plan involving the Collectors.  It really seems to indicate that they had some sort of grand plan involving the human Reaper that was never brought to fruition, which gives me more hope that Bioware will explain it in ME3.

They might have been hoping that plan B with the Collectors would work, and the human Reaper would be able to open the Citadel relay. But, being intelligent enough to know that the Collectors might still fail, they're still simply taking the long way into the galaxy.

[Giantevilhead]

77boy84 wrote...

The Human Reaper wasn't meant to indoctrinate humans.

When you're on the collector ship, you find out that that the main target is Earth. Shepard was the first one to actually stop the reapers, so they want to make him and his whole race one of them to keep that **** from happening.

They never said that the Collector's main target was earth. They simply speculated that the Collectors would want to harvest earth because of how big the ship was.

Also, even if the main goal of the human Reaper was to make more human Reapers, how do you think it would do it? The obvious answer is through indoctrination. If they just decided to attack earth in a frontal assault, the entire Alliance navy would go back and blow the human Reaper to pieces, not to mention the fact that it would provide definitive proof that the Reapers exist. The only way they can actually turn the entire human race into Reapers is if they call back the rest of the Reapers to put down all resistance.

[Brand New]

Anyone notice that the Prothean being controlled in that control center is different from the rest, but in the vision in on of the beacons on an anomaly near Jacobs loyalty quest the Prothean in the vision still looks the same, but on illos they were different looking.

[mentosman8]

My thoughts on the situation were that the Reapers have decided to fly into the galaxy(I believe it looked like they had been in FTL travel and slowed down in the final scene when you saw them). Now, as for the collectors/human reaper?

The Reapers reproduce using the genetic material of races to create new ones. Usually, they are able to cut off galactic government, and the ability for a fleet to form, allowing them to easily harvest for their new reaper during the wipe-out of life. However, since the Citadel plan was stopped, that wasn't possible. Humans had made themselves, to the Reapers, look like the dominant race of the galaxy, and the Reapers wanted to take them.

However, they also assumed that galatic civilization would be intelligent, and after seeing Sovreign and his attack, they would be preparing to defend against the Reaper invasion(and without Sovreign there, there was no way for them to realize this was wrong). So, while they made the long travel into the galaxy, they had the Collectors begin collecting humans and creating a human Reaper, so that it would be complete when they arrived and, they would assume, fought off a defense which would likely kill too many humans for them to be able to create their new Reaper.

I think it all comes down to they expect a defense when they arrive, which would destroy their usual attempts to reproduce, so they used the Collectors to attempt to complete this goal prior to their arrival so it was guaranteed able to happen instead of risking too many deaths to make it possible.