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[binaryemperor]

Maybe the Reapers fight all organic life in the galaxy to look for plans for a new, even more powerful reaper, and then they go back off into darkspace and have an epic battle where they protect the Milky Way from extradimentional space dinosaurs.

[loboME2]

Well, no one mentioned this so far... the thing about conquering the galaxy that it must be done via Citadel. It's the central transportation hub, without which all systems become isolated. (The VI at Ilos said this part).



Why? Their numbers must not be too great if it took centuries to clear out the galaxy or that the galaxy is really huge (until the power at ILOs runs out). So, even if the reapers managed to fly all the way to the galaxy, without isolating the races, they may be vulnerable to counter attack by a massive fleet even if it only comes together when the existence of reapers can no longer be denied by the Council (first attack by reaper fleet).



Hence, the human reaper must be a soverign replacement... I think.

[Giantevilhead]

The Prothean Empire was a lot bigger than the Council races. They mentioned that trillions of Protheans perished when the Reapers destroyed them. That would suggest the Prothean had an empire close to the scale of the Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40K.

[Anticitizen1]

loboME2 wrote...

Well, no one mentioned this so far... the thing about conquering the galaxy that it must be done via Citadel. It's the central transportation hub, without which all systems become isolated. (The VI at Ilos said this part).

Why? Their numbers must not be too great if it took centuries to clear out the galaxy or that the galaxy is really huge (until the power at ILOs runs out). So, even if the reapers managed to fly all the way to the galaxy, without isolating the races, they may be vulnerable to counter attack by a massive fleet even if it only comes together when the existence of reapers can no longer be denied by the Council (first attack by reaper fleet).

Hence, the human reaper must be a soverign replacement... I think.

I agree. Plus, it must take a ton of resources to fly to the Citadel to being with. No to mention then having to fight off the entire galaxy.

[MasterMenace]

ReubenLiew wrote...

They were trying to ****** Shepard off.
You know, just to see what he does.
It's like a game to them.

This.

Seriously.

dead serious.

So true.

Lulz.

Seriously though.

this.

[Freyzer]

RampantBeaver wrote...

I assumed this was the answer to the big question 'What do the reapers want?' They can't breed so they build new ones from the most dominant species at the time of the extinction cycle. I noticed that when you see the reapers at the end they are not all the same. This is how the reproduce.

EDIT: and yes like most others have said it would have fulfilled sovereigns role of facilitating the reapers return.

Interesting thought.  The reaper at the end looked like a human.  Maybe each reaper looks like the species that it absorbed.

[serjwolf]

Direwolf029 wrote...

Maybe a replacement for Sovereign

when a reaper is killed, the species that the killer belonged to is "uplifted" into the ranks of the reapers for its apparent resourcefulness.

easy enough process

[Wrex.the.next.spectre]

I was under the impression they were trying to rebuild the terminator on a large scale, and test it with human souls so it could learn the Penance Stare.



But I may have been extremely confused....

[Myounage]

"Domnot Harbinger! What have you done!? Shepherd can see us! Turn out the lights!"

[crimsonwarhawk]

Kyero wrote...

These two Cutscenes tell why Humans > all species

1. (this one has both in one)
2. (

uh thats not the mass effect universe, and thus has no meaning here.

[Riot Inducer]

Lyrandori wrote...

My biggest question of all is...

How the hell would that thing move in space? Would they make some swimming animation? Or would it have the Superman pose or something? I'm sorry but I can't imagine a humanoid-shaped spaceship moving around in any possible posture or animations without looking goofy and idiotic.

Considering that even when fully completed the human reaper would have been a fair bit smaller than Sovereign  I figured it'd achieve space flight be hitching a ride either on or inside a standard reaper shell, a bit like how Scorponok rode on Blackout in the Transformers movie. 

[Palpatine77]

While I like the theory that the Reapers were simply luring the Normandy into the Omega 4 Relay territory as a way to re-open it (the red relay color as opposed to the normal blue color at all other relays is surely some kind of clue), it doesn't completely make sense when looking at the massive debris from the countless other ships that also crossed over and never made it back (as Joker stated, some ships look ancient). If the Omega 4 Relay just existed as a means as a "back door" for the Reapers and the Normandy to re-activate it, then why make it almost impossible for the Normandy to make it back home? If a roundtrip were to activate the relay, any number of previous ships could've activated it beforehand if not destroyed.

[magnuskn]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

"Your species has caught the attention of those infinately your greater".
My guess is they want to "absorb" humanity just like they absorbed other aliens. What would the Human Reaper do afterthat? I have no idea.
"You have failed. We will find another way".
Another way to what? That remains to be seen.

You *did* see that Harbinger released a completed Reaper, which was modeled after the Collectors? I think the human Reaper was built because the one built based upon the Collectors was not really up to snuff, as explained in the game ( the Collectors already were subdued and heavily modified by the Reapers, therefore didn't have the genetic material anymore to serve as good "Reaper material". ).

What a not-up-to-snuff Reaper is still capable of is a question for ME3, I'd say.

[magnuskn]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

"Your species has caught the attention of those infinately your greater".
My guess is they want to "absorb" humanity just like they absorbed other aliens. What would the Human Reaper do afterthat? I have no idea.
"You have failed. We will find another way".
Another way to what? That remains to be seen.

You *did* see that Harbinger released a completed Reaper, which was modeled after the Collectors? I think the human Reaper was built because the one built based upon the Collectors was not really up to snuff, as explained in the game ( the Collectors already were subdued and heavily modified by the Reapers, therefore didn't have the genetic material anymore to serve as good "Reaper material". ).

What a not-up-to-snuff Reaper is still capable of is a question for ME3, I'd say.

[Ziekk]

I assumed, when they said that the now-collectors were not good Reaper material, that any reaper they tried to create, they destroyed or never became functional.

[Never]

ReubenLiew wrote...

They were trying to ****** Shepard off.
You know, just to see what he does.
It's like a game to them.

This.

[elmephd1]

Lyrandori wrote...

My biggest question of all is...

How the hell would that thing move in space? Would they make some swimming animation? Or would it have the Superman pose or something? I'm sorry but I can't imagine a humanoid-shaped spaceship moving around in any possible posture or animations without looking goofy and idiotic.

From what's been said based on the concept art for it, the thing you fight is a larval form that would eventually become more Reaper like.

However if the laval form was to move in space, it'd probably travel upright.

[CarbonShinigami]

am i the only one who finds the idea of a massive human shaped reaper floating towards shepard in space would look funny as hell i'd half want it to say somthing stupid like your about to be termanated

[SekhCLS]

Surprise! The T800 Reaper at the end is actually a new squadmate for ME3 voiced by the Governator himself...



You guys want this to be true, I just know it!



(Sorry, couldn't resist )

[Zemore]

CarbonShinigami wrote...

am i the only one who finds the idea of a massive human shaped reaper floating towards shepard in space would look funny as hell i'd half want it to say somthing stupid like your about to be termanated

being sad to admit this but when it fell the first time arnie poped in my brain saying ill be back o.O

[Stoko981]

Brand New wrote...

Anyone notice that the Prothean being controlled in that control center is different from the rest, but in the vision in on of the beacons on an anomaly near Jacobs loyalty quest the Prothean in the vision still looks the same, but on illos they were different looking.

What you saw on Ilos were statues of Protheans. The Collectors are heavily modified Protheans. That's why they look different. That's probably what the new vision was warning about - some unindoctrinated Prothean had an encounter with the first batch of Collectors. As for the one being controlled by Harbinger looking different - presumably he's different in such a way as to accomodate Harbinger taking control of individual units on the battlefield. I'd imagine that if the Head Collector (for lack of a better phrase) had any real will or agenda of his own, he'd be able to take control of the drones in the same way.

[Series5Ranger]

I think I know what the big twist to ME 3 is going to be.........



Shepard vs. Ashely/Kaiden/Liara Reaper



Renegade Choice will be to kill it

Paragon Choice will be some way to save it, but it will involve either a) Sacrificing someone else, or sacrificing yourself to do it.

[ZeroDark9]

Tsumoro wrote...

To my understanding and I could be wrong, but this is the way I saw it.

Collectors encouraged the plague to get rid of the other species leaving humans
intact for localized study because as a race we have more modifications to our
genome through diseases etc whereas other races do not.

Reasons for this is that a human was responsible for the death of a Reaper,
after millions and millions of years spent destroying civilization and allowing
it to rebuild this is the only time it's bit them on the ass. So they are
curious, After all, what has changed on this occasion of the harvesting that
makes it so different than the previous times? So this 'fluke' has them wanting
to branch out and find out the cause.

First and for most, they test the other species to see if this 'fluke' is
something all species can obtain. Most likely their findings were 'no'. So now
they want to gather all the humans they can to isolate how this event took
place and eradicate it.

The only other species to achieve something like this was the Protheans and
thus, they tested human DNA with Prothean DNA and not to clear on what the
findings were not enough info alas.

As to why the Reaper at the end was like a huge ass exo skeleton of a human, my
impression is that the Reapers are trying to 'evolve'. After all, evolution is
mentioned by the Collectors over and over again. That it is our genetic
destiny.

I believe the Reapers believed themselves to be 'perfect' and now one of them
is dead.. Which means they are not perfect and humanity holds the key to their
perfection.

I actually agree with this above. Sovereign came off as believing he (or it)
was a perfect being who could not fail and in the end was destroyed. It's
obvious that the Reapers are able to communicate into the galaxy via some means
and as such at least know the general status of the universe.

They know it was Shepard that destroyed the Avatar of Sovereign and that it was
because of a human ship and fleet that Sovereign's ship body was destroyed. As
such it is not a stretch that the reapers in an effort to better themselves
would go after the species that destroyed one of them as a priority.

The fact that they were trying to create a “human” reaper
could be for a verity of reasons but I believe it is to replace Sovereign after
it was destroyed as the vanguard ship and perhaps open the citadel. However
that theory does have a hole or two. It would have to have a physical body to
go into the citadel just like Sovereign used to open the link to the Station
and take over control. Why? Because the Keepers are still ignoring the signals
that the Reapers are sending as they were modified by the Protheans to do so.
Then comes the problem of did the Council attempted to fix the relay issue or
is that Prothean file still around from Illos.

Either way, this whole discussion can be related to just why
the Collectors and thus the Reapers wanted Shepards body. Were they going to us
it to perhaps give the new Reaper a similar Identity? To have a Reaper with the
same drive that destroyed one of them? What better way to prevent the
destruction of farther reapers and the like, well perhaps.

Anyway as to the ending scene, I would have to say that the
reapers have been moving toward the galaxy since the first game once they found
that Sovereign had failed. The scene we saw was most likely a spot where they
were dropping the heat/waste build up of flying through Dark space at FTL
speeds, or in my mind they can’t run at FTL speeds without running out of fuel
and are instead running max Sub-light speeds to save fuel greatly (technically
it would be possible to reach just under the speed of light using thrusters though
such a flight would take millions of years allowing a potential emergence of a
technology greater than their own).

 Anyway theres my bit. Now rip it apart.

Edit: Stupid Copy and Paste

Modifié par ZeroDark9, 03 février 2010 - 05:13 .

[ianw92me2]

The illusive man is not only the avatar of a reaper, BUT is also the shadow broker.



Why?



In ME1 Saren has a strange light blue glow from his eyes, which you later find out is emitted because of his robotic implants.

The illusive man also has the same light blue glow, and his eyes look like they are implanted with some sort of robotics.



Futhermore in ME:Redemption the Shadow Broker was hired by the Collectors to retrieve Shepard's body and deliver it to them.



TIM did this exactly.

He spent 2 years repairing him, only to send him on a suicide mission.(directly into the collectors hands)

The reason he went through the trouble of everything is so that Shep would be in top condition when delivered to the collectors.



AND the man knows pretty much everything, he has the will, the power, and the resources to be the SB.



So why did the collectors want the body of shep?

As many people have said, the reapers were building a human reaper to replace sovereign because the humans were obviously the most dominant life form in the galaxy.

So why not get the biggest baller of them all to comprise the mind of the new reaper? (this baller being shep)



In ME1 Saren says something to the effect of Humanity needs to learn its place

(because humans are the new guys and they are seemingly insignificant)



However in ME2 the reapers realize humans potential, as they have gotten attention from those who are infinitely greater. So why not try to advance the already top species even more.



That way the reapers fatten the humans up if you will, as they create a human reaper, and as they enslave humanity to do what the collectors do.



TIM is threatened by anything non-human? why because he just loves humanity? NO.

A perfect front to prevent collaboration, and advance humanity's presence in the galaxy at the cost of other species.



One example of this would be how he sees the Migrant fleet as a threat.

How in the hell would the largest fleet in the galaxy be a threat when the reapers are en route to kick some ass? They are a threat because they could actually put up a fight against the reapers.



So basically I think Martin Sheen is the Antichrist in the ME universe, despite his awesome voice acting.