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[Doug84]

ReubenLiew wrote...

They were trying to ****** Shepard off.
You know, just to see what he does.
It's like a game to them.

Indeedie - "You kill one of us, so we'll convert hundreds of thousands of you're species into a new Reaper, muwhahaha." Shepard - "OOOOh, you so don't want to get my quads in a twist!"

XenogearsOwnsAll wrote...

They finish building the Reaper and then what?

I think you're looking at it the wrong way. The Reapers, I think, want to select the best species and 'ascend' them to 'Godhood', as they see it (i.e. make Reapers from them). Humans, particularly Cmdr Shepard proved humanities worth by killing Soverign.

By converting as many humans into Reapers as possible, the Reapers would a) remove humanity from the threat list, have a few extra reapers on their side, but most importantly for them as far as their concerned, c) Ascend humanity to Reaperhood ("We are your salvation through Destruction") for whatever reason the Reapers are doing this.

[silhouette80]

I just beat the game today and here are some of my thoughts on the implications that we experienced in the game.

I think the Reapers actually do see themselves as saviours of sentient life.  That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction.  What better way to preserve a species then to merge billions of members of one species into an AI starship?  The genetic material that goes into the creation of a reaper contains the collective information, memories and knowledge of that species.  It's similar to what the Borg do in Star Trek, only in this case there is one single machine instead of millions of subservient drones.

So what are the Reapers actually saving sentients from?  I think it has something to do with mass effect technology and mass relays in particular.  It's complete speculation on my part, but the strange phenomenon that we see with the star Dholen might hint at the fact that the mass relays are having adverse effects on the galaxy.  Maybe the race(s) who created the mass relays realized that their creation would one day tear apart the galaxy, and they decided to take the drastic step of preserving themselves in the collective conciousness of a starship.  

[withateethuh]

silhouette80 wrote...

I just beat the game today and here are some of my thoughts on the implications that we experienced in the game.

I think the Reapers actually do see themselves as saviours of sentient life.  That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction.  What better way to preserve a species then to merge billions of members of one species into an AI starship?  The genetic material that goes into the creation of a reaper contains the collective information, memories and knowledge of that species.  It's similar to what the Borg do in Star Trek, only in this case there is one single machine instead of millions of subservient drones.

So what are the Reapers actually saving sentients from?  I think it has something to do with mass effect technology and mass relays in particular.  It's complete speculation on my part, but the strange phenomenon that we see with the star Dholen might hint at the fact that the mass relays are having adverse effects on the galaxy.  Maybe the race(s) who created the mass relays realized that their creation would one day tear apart the galaxy, and they decided to take the drastic step of preserving themselves in the collective conciousness of a starship.  

Calling it a "salvation" would stem from the fact that the Reapers consider their cycle inevitable, and with good reason - they've been doing it for a really, really, really long time. So destruction is inevitable, and the only for humanity to survive is to become part of the collective Reaper fleet entity.

[Annihilator27]

withateethuh wrote...

silhouette80 wrote...

I just beat the game today and here are some of my thoughts on the implications that we experienced in the game.

I think the Reapers actually do see themselves as saviours of sentient life.  That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction.  What better way to preserve a species then to merge billions of members of one species into an AI starship?  The genetic material that goes into the creation of a reaper contains the collective information, memories and knowledge of that species.  It's similar to what the Borg do in Star Trek, only in this case there is one single machine instead of millions of subservient drones.

So what are the Reapers actually saving sentients from?  I think it has something to do with mass effect technology and mass relays in particular.  It's complete speculation on my part, but the strange phenomenon that we see with the star Dholen might hint at the fact that the mass relays are having adverse effects on the galaxy.  Maybe the race(s) who created the mass relays realized that their creation would one day tear apart the galaxy, and they decided to take the drastic step of preserving themselves in the collective conciousness of a starship.  

Calling it a "salvation" would stem from the fact that the Reapers consider their cycle inevitable, and with good reason - they've been doing it for a really, really, really long time. So destruction is inevitable, and the only for humanity to survive is to become part of the collective Reaper fleet entity.

Not if Shepard can help it damn it!

[brgillespie]

Shepard has a long ****ing time to wait if the Reapers are going to travel with FTL from out beyond the Milky Way's rim. The Reapers NEED the Citadel mass relay. Their fleet is far enough beyond the rim to easily see it in its entirety, and with the Milky Way being 100,000 light-years across, that leads me to conclude that they're WAY the hell out there.



I believe that final view of the insane amount of Reapers was merely to show that they're still out there. Still waiting for Harbinger to get them the ticket into the galaxy. If they left both Sovereign and Harbinger behind, then the Reapers may have more ships still operating inside the galaxy.

[Ulicus]

Well, it was Harbinger’s plan really... and it comes down to this:

We wanna be the very best, just as it once was.
To collect is our real test, to take them is our cause!
I will travel across the stars, searching far and wide....
Humanity don’t understand the power that’s inside!
Humankind! Go collect ‘em!
Can you not see?
It’s genetic destiny!
Humankind! Oh, your strength will mend,
Your ability to defend!
Humankind – Go collect ‘em!
A heart so true – your skillset will pull us through.
You teach us and we’ll Reap you!
HU-MAN-KIND!
Go Collect ‘Em All!
Humankind!

Sorry.

Modifié par Ulicus, 05 février 2010 - 01:24 .

[Estelindis]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

"Your species has caught the attention of those infinately your greater".
My guess is they want to "absorb" humanity just like they absorbed other aliens. What would the Human Reaper do afterthat? I have no idea.
"You have failed. We will find another way".
Another way to what? That remains to be seen.

This.  Well said.

[TheRomans]

ReubenLiew wrote...

They were trying to ****** Shepard off.
You know, just to see what he does.
It's like a game to them.

So this thread is like six pages long now, but I just wanted to bring this post back and make sure everyone knows how much I appreciated it.

[Gibsyfuk]

Stoko981 wrote...

I don't know why the Reapers didn't just use the Collectors as a ruse. Send a Collector envoy into Council space. Spin a tale about how they're called the Nibblonians or something, and they just found a relay in their system that's been sealed off this entire time. Play it through to the point that Collectors are allowed into the Council Chambers, for negotiations or ceremonies or whatever. At which point, those Collectors unleash hoardes of stasis bugs, freezing anyone in the vicinity who could stop them using the Master Control Console to open the Citadel relay.

I mean the Collectors were pretty mindless, but they were able to function enough to make deals with mercs to kidnap specific individuals. I see no reason they couldn't pull it off. Not to mention everyone in Council space thinks they're mythical. As long as they made up a fake name for themselves, I don't see anyone connecting the dots.

I also really don't get the Reapers' interest in Shepard. I mean, okay, so he thwarted their plans. But if they wanted his body, why didn't they just retrieve it themselves after destroying the SR-1? Why blow the ship and leave?

You should pay more attention to what's is said in-game.
If you do all the missions for Liara she states one of the reasons she wants the Shadow Broker dead is because he was planning on getting your dead body and handing it over to the collectors, so they did want it they just tried to go through another source to obtain it. Luckily she and cerberus got to it first.

[Gibsyfuk]

[quote]Mister Mage wrote...

[quote]ianw92me2 wrote...

The illusive man is not only the avatar of a reaper, BUT is also the shadow broker.
[/quote]
Stupid.

[qutoe]In ME1 Saren has a strange light blue glow from his eyes, which you later find out is emitted because of his robotic implants.
The illusive man also has the same light blue glow, and his eyes look like they are implanted with some sort of robotics. [/quote]
Saren got the implants only after your fight with him on Virmire, when what you tell him fills his head with bothersome doubt.

[quote]Futhermore in ME:Redemption the Shadow Broker was hired by the Collectors to retrieve Shepard's body and deliver it to them. [/quote]
And Liara got the body from the Shadow Broker and gave it to Cerberus.  Why get the body, then have it stolen from you just to have it given back to you?  Stupid.

[quote]TIM did this exactly.[/quote]
Stupid.


[quote]He spent 2 years repairing him, only to send him on a suicide mission.(directly into the collectors hands)
The reason he went through the trouble of everything is so that Shep would be in top condition when delivered to the collectors.[/quote]
Or, that's really, really stupid.  Why?  There are a dozen places the Collectors could have had Shepard with TIM's resources and/or support taken away.  He hurts the Collectors before going on the mission.  This is really, really stupid.  I hope you realize how stupid you are.

[quote]AND the man knows pretty much everything, he has the will, the power, and the resources to be the SB.[/quote]
And, incidentally, fight against himself.

[quote]
So why did the collectors want the body of shep?
As many people have said, the reapers were building a human reaper to replace sovereign because the humans were obviously the most dominant life form in the galaxy.
So why not get the biggest baller of them all to comprise the mind of the new reaper? (this baller being shep)[/quote]

....

The rest of this continues to spiral downwards in a death spiral of idiocy, but I think points have been made here.

[/quote]

@The statement in bold
I lol at your attempt to argue with false statements Liara DID NOT get Shep's body from the SB she gave the info of where his body could be found to cerberus because the SB was looking for it to hand it over to the collectors. Read up on your facts then come back and argue. So basically IF TIM is the SB as well he put himself in an advantageous spot playing both sides at once and STILL ended up with shep's body.

Anyway I don't necessarily agree with this theory but I think it would be interesting to say the least.

Modifié par Gibsyfuk, 05 février 2010 - 02:48 .

[beyondsolo]

Isn't this how all--or most--reapers were created? All those species they wiped out over the course of millions of years must have gone somewhere. I figured that they absorb the bio-matter or essence of powerful species to add to their own strength (like to Borg in Star Trek) like they intended to do with humans by creating a humanoid reaper. Species that are not powerful enough are used for other purposes, like the Protheans and the Keepers.

On the same note, did anyone else feel reminded of Sovereign by those bugs scurrying around various planets? ;-)

[Gibsyfuk]

Ulicus wrote...

Well, it was Harbinger’s plan really... and it comes down to this:

We wanna be the very best, just as it once was.
To collect is our real test, to take them is our cause!
I will travel across the stars, searching far and wide....
Humanity don’t understand the power that’s inside!
Humankind! Go collect ‘em!
Can you not see?
It’s genetic destiny!
Humankind! Oh, your strength will mend,
Your ability to defend!
Humankind – Go collect ‘em!
A heart so true – your skillset will pull us through.
You teach us and we’ll Reap you!
HU-MAN-KIND!
Go Collect ‘Em All!
Humankind!

Sorry.

LOL.

Epic.

Win.

[GuiltySource]

The reapers could very well just fly into the Galaxy. After all they had to fly out the long ass way at some point in their history, in order to build the relay network and what I imagine, a Citadel sized relay floating out in dark space.



However I doubt they will fly the long way. They're were already way past their deadline waiting for Sovereign to build his forces, and now Shepard as proof of the reapers exsistance. They can't afford to waste time letting the Galaxy build up its forces.

[Gibsyfuk]

GuiltySource wrote...

The reapers could very well just fly into the Galaxy. After all they had to fly out the long ass way at some point in their history, in order to build the relay network and what I imagine, a Citadel sized relay floating out in dark space.

However I doubt they will fly the long way. They're were already way past their deadline waiting for Sovereign to build his forces, and now Shepard as proof of the reapers exsistance. They can't afford to waste time letting the Galaxy build up its forces.

You realize just how long it would take them to fly there right??
Even with FTL drives it would take centuries.

[Gibsyfuk]

GuiltySource wrote...

The reapers could very well just fly into the Galaxy. After all they had to fly out the long ass way at some point in their history, in order to build the relay network and what I imagine, a Citadel sized relay floating out in dark space.

However I doubt they will fly the long way. They're were already way past their deadline waiting for Sovereign to build his forces, and now Shepard as proof of the reapers exsistance. They can't afford to waste time letting the Galaxy build up its forces.

You realize just how long it would take them to fly there right??
Even with FTL drives it would take centuries.

Double post.
My bad

Modifié par Gibsyfuk, 05 février 2010 - 03:06 .

[GuiltySource]

Gibsyfuk wrote...

GuiltySource wrote...

The reapers could very well just fly into the Galaxy. After all they had to fly out the long ass way at some point in their history, in order to build the relay network and what I imagine, a Citadel sized relay floating out in dark space.

However I doubt they will fly the long way. They're were already way past their deadline waiting for Sovereign to build his forces, and now Shepard as proof of the reapers exsistance. They can't afford to waste time letting the Galaxy build up its forces.

You realize just how long it would take them to fly there right??
Even with FTL drives it would take centuries.

Double post.
My bad

But they still would've had to have done it at least once.

Unless the Reapers have something faster than a standard FTL, but slower than using mass relays.

Modifié par GuiltySource, 05 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[bdawg3103]

Direwolf029 wrote...

Maybe a replacement for Sovereign

That's a really interesting idea... I think you've hit it right on the nose. 

Harbinger is apparently in a 'leadership' position among the reapers, and since he directly controls the Collectors, he would be aware that Sovreign has been destroyed (due to intercepted extranet transmissions, etc). Since all the other reapers are in dark space and they always leave one behind (according to Sovreign), it does make alot of sense that they'd be making a replacement.

Good catch buddy

[Spidrouse]

It would probably become the main reaper to lead the others as they come to wipe out all life. As they seem to see Shepard as the leader and humanity as the major threat to their plans. I'm not sure it was a ****** off Shepard moment but that is all they accomplished and to their detriment. Their ego's are their major flaw. They should have just sat on their behinds and waited a thousand years for humanity to muck things up on their own. The more you push short lived humans the harder they come back.

We do know the reapers have a serious problem though. They seem unable to advance past their current state and have stagnated as a species. So instead of actually developing along their own lines they have to harvest other species to do it for them. So trying to make a human reaper makes sense. Humanity is a big pain in the arse and is highly mutable as a species. Where Asari dominate through cultural and genetic bonding to others, humanity does it by the nature of our extreme variance to one another and fitting in anywhere and everywhere.

Even if they did suceed in making a human "reaper" it would be a dumb choice. The nature of humanity they are sucking up would totally fragment their little reaper society. They already lost, they just don't know it yet.

Even so the reapers are going to have their stagnant egotistical metallic arses handed to them in ME3. At least my Shepard has alliances with the Rachni and possibly the Geth. And if the council can pull their heads out of their rear ends these reapers are walking into Shepards kill zone.

I see an army forming. And my army is mighty.

Modifié par Spidrouse, 05 février 2010 - 04:54 .

[Series5Ranger]

Anticitizen1 wrote...

Yes, I always thought that it was the Reapers plan just to lure humans into the Omega 4 Relay.
What I don't get however, is why the Collectors attacked the Normandy, apparently trying to kill Shepard, and then turned right around and wanted to collect his body. Why didn't they just board the ship the first time like they did later in the game if they wanted to get Shepard? Destroying the ship ran the risk of completely incinerating him.
And honestly. Come on. The Illusive Man has to be the Shadow Broker. He's just playing both sides, whichever one wins, he comes out on top.

What if they wanted Shepard for the Human Reaper as it's Personality Control Matrix? They Figure once Shepard IS a Reaper that he'll understand the necessity of why they do what they do. Remember Harbinger said something about "Reapers do what they do to save the Galaxy" or some such. which links to to Tali's Recruitment mission and the Dark Energy causing the sun to age more rapidly.

Modifié par Series5Ranger, 05 février 2010 - 05:00 .

[Taxonomical]

Myrmedus wrote...

I can't say for sure but I felt it was fairly obvious: the Human-Reaper was meant to take over Sovereign's job in securing passage for the rest of the Reapers to invade.

^This.

Wasn't it pretty obvious to everyone? Sovereign was "the Vanguard" who stayed in our galaxy and studied us, then sent information to the other reapers hibernating in dark space. With Sovereign dead (Or should I call him by his real name, Nazara?) their was a huge hole left in the Reaper's galactic "chain of command". Since the re-purposed Protheans were nothing more than mindless slaves governed by the collector general, it obviously fell on them to replace the dead vanguard with a new one.

Since it was revealed that all reapers are made this way and therefore based on one certain galactic race, it also makes sense that they use Humans as the genetic base for a new reaper, since it was a Human who so soundly defeated the previous one.

It all seemed pretty cut and dried to me, I don't understand people's confusion.

Also, I beleive in the short time the new human reaper vanguard was in operation, it sent out a signal to the other reapers that the time has come, and that it was in danger.

Modifié par Taxonomical, 05 février 2010 - 05:07 .

[Kreid]

My impression is that the Reapers are in a hurry.
Sovereign wasted many years out of schedule trying to open the Citadel Mass Relay when the Keepers ignored it's signal, afterwards he was destroyed (something that was presumably almost unthinkable) and as far as we know, there's some deal regarding the expansion of dark energy through the Galaxy (Tali's mission, Giana Parassini mentions may people is getting interested in dark energy suddenly etc...)
I think that maybe there's some kind of catastrophe each certain amount of time that threatens the whole Galaxy, and the Reapers think they are doing the correct by preserving worthy organic species as Reapers.
So, since this threaten might repeat itself soon, and due their late schedule, Harbinger decided that humanity was worth of "ascension" as Commander Shepard showed by destroying the Sovereign and started harvesting humanity asap before it's too late.
Or maybe it's just a replacement for Sovereign after all 

Modifié par Creid-X, 05 février 2010 - 05:23 .

[CarbonShinigami]

Creid-X wrote...

My impression is that the Reapers are in a hurry.
Sovereign wasted many years out of schedule trying to open the Citadel Mass Relay when the Keepers ignored it's signal, afterwards he was destroyed (something that was presumably almost unthinkable) and as far as we know, there's some deal regarding the expansion of dark energy through the Galaxy (Tali's mission, Giana Parassini mentions may people is getting interested in dark energy suddenly etc...)
I think that maybe there's some kind of catastrophe each certain amount of time that threatens the whole Galaxy, and the Reapers think they are doing the correct by preserving worthy organic species as Reapers.
So, since this threaten might repeat itself soon, and due their late schedule, Harbinger decided that humanity was worth of "ascension" as Commander Shepard showed by destroying the Sovereign and started harvesting humanity asap before it's too late.
Or maybe it's just a replacement for Sovereign after all 

yes humanity does that doesnt it the whole screwing with a perfectly scheduled thing personally i think the repears are scared we blew one of them up i mean did the protheans even manage to do that the only thing i know that ''hurt one'' is that really big gun that is mentioned and i so say that thing was not dead and martin sheen tricked me again! (also while i was on that ship genral ackbar was screaming ITS A TRAP)