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[Wintermist]

They just wanted the Quarians a specific way and by doing so the Quarians aren't Jews as such, they just share society similar to it. So *shrugs* It doesn't really matter, I for one like it diverse and with background. It would be a bland and dull world if everyone was without their ways.

[Spectre_Shepard]

Think about it. The Jews were forced to wander in the desert before reaching the promised land.



The quarians are galactic rejects forced to live in the Migrant Fleet.



Quarians are based on Jewish history and culture. Bravo Bioware.

[ShadowAldrius]

Also Russian via the accents of course.

Which quarian had a russian accent...? o.o

One had an American accent, three had British accents, and then three had Iranian accents.

I don't think any of the alient cultures in Mass Effect translate 1:1 from a culture in our world, though.

Modifié par ShadowAldrius, 03 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[blank1]

justinnstuff wrote...

yukantseame wrote...

funny, i think the volus are the jews of mass effect.

True that.

And the degeneration begins... *quietly leaves his own thread*

Modifié par blank1, 03 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

Also Russian via the accents of course.

Which quarian had a russian accent...? o.o

One had an American accent, three had British accents, and then three had Iranian accents.

I don't think any of the alient cultures in Mass Effect translate 1:1 from a culture in our world, though.

I think it was Prazka and some other ones. Tali has a bit of Eastern European as well. But yea you are right. They have diverse accents.

[keginkc]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

One had an American accent, three had British accents, and then three had Iranian accents.

That was one of my favorite touches.  A variety of accents representing a world of cultures, instead of a homogenized dialect.

[chool77]

wait .... you mean i slept with a jew in the game



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tmp7704]

blank1 wrote...

I'm speculating that one of the writers must be Jewish because the Quarian Hebrew references weren't just general knowledge. Like, you didn't have some guy named Kal'Cohen or something. They were more in depth things, such as festival blessings, san hedrin-like trials, and etc. I guess it's not for sure, although.

Well, i figure if someone decided to make references to specific culture they'd do some research. Just like when writers make references to more obscure Greek mythology, or Mayan culture or whathaveyou. This doesn't mean the author was themselves member of that culture, could be just as well someone interested in it or maybe thought it'd just make for interesting connection.

You could also be right, of course.

[blank1]

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[GenericPlayer2]

Its not the first time a SciFi book/movie/game borrowed from Earth culture. One of the things I like about this is that it can provide commentary on issues without affecting real-life sensitivities. I don't know if anyone here watched the original 'V' series in the 80's but there was a whole story arc dedicated to the issue of abortion when one human girl got pregnant with an alien. More recently, BSG story arc on "New Caprica" seemed to mirror some of the crises in our world and offered a different perspective.



But sometimes, it is just a case of of blending in different cultures to create a sense of diversity in the universe. I believe the hebrew references in Quarian speech and tradition are part of presenting a rich and diverse universe. Just like the Vulcan greeting gesture, which I believed Leonard Nimoy had mentioned taken from some sort of Jewish ritual. We really have no idea what alien cultures would be like, so our imagination inevitably borrows elements from our world.



If you want to read too much into the Quarian culture, there are several ways to look at it. You can certainly look at it from the Hebrew perspective of people in search of the Promised Land. Or you can say that the Homeworld is the garden of Eden, and the Geth are the poisoned apple that fell from the tree of knowledge (which is a far more likely metaphor). Each new Quarian born is homeless, so they carry the burden of the original sin.



As for how they are treated, our own history has shown that people with no country of their own always get the short end of the stick.

[Neo Hex Omega]

I suspect Bioware may be planning to parallel the exodus of the Jews from Egypt to the Promised Land, with the Quarians and a possible new homeworld in Mass Effect 3. It would be interesting if given enough development.

[Lemonio]

blank1 wrote...

Jewish. No, not being racist. It's just that the Quarians have so many Hebrew references. The star system named Sheol and the planet named Gei-Hinnom, in a Quarian system, and the fact that the Quarians opened their conclave with a traditional Jewish festival blessing (but in english) that was spoken by one of the female admirality members. It went like, "Blessed be the ancestors who have kept us alive, sustained us, and enabled us to reach this season." This is basically the exact translation of the traditional Jewish blessing, called the "shehecheyanu." Just replace "Ancestors" with "God." It's chanted at every major Jewish festival.

Maybe I'm reaching, but I think there are too many references. Perhasp the Quarians are modeled after Jewish people? I mean, exile from homeland/planet and all...

this was fairly obvious...and there are many many more references to jews
they did however turn the tables on us by making us be the enslavers of the geth...not the other way around

[Weskerr]

Seth Green must have had a hand in writing the Joker jokes.

Modifié par Weskerr, 03 février 2010 - 05:48 .

[GenericPlayer2]

Actually I am hoping the Quarian and Krogan issues are not resolved in ME3. I know they probably will be, but my preference is to see 1 or 2 more games set in the ME universe where you play as a Krogan or a Quarian with the goal of solving those problems.

[Lemonio]

yukantseame wrote...

funny, i think the volus are the jews of mass effect.

hehe
they are the money grubbing variety

[andysdead]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

I thought the quarians were more Islamic, with the veil the women wear and all.

Jews and Arabs are very similar (and historically, the same people). They share customs, traditions, religions and language / word roots (Western Semitic). I saw a bit of both in them. Also Russian via the accents of course.

That accent is not Russian.

I was thinking about it, and I decided it is probably closer to Swedish.

[Badpie]

OP, I hadn't noticed the similarities until you pointed them out (a side effect of me not being Jewish and not knowing much about the lore), but this is an interesting observation. And yes, there are a lot of real world references in all fiction. Good observation.

I always thought of the quarians as gypsy-like myself.

I don't, however think think any of this has anything to do with any of the writers being Jewish or not.

Modifié par Badpie, 03 février 2010 - 02:11 .

[Badpie]

Lemonio wrote...

yukantseame wrote...

funny, i think the volus are the jews of mass effect.

hehe
they are the money grubbing variety

Wow.

Officially leaving this thread before anyone else decides to think they're clever.  PS.  You're not.

Modifié par Badpie, 03 février 2010 - 02:13 .

[Solmanian]

justinnstuff wrote...

yukantseame wrote...

funny, i think the volus are the jews of mass effect.

True that.

WOW! aren't u missing ur kkk meeting?

[Garuda One]

Lemonio wrote...

yukantseame wrote...

funny, i think the volus are the jews of mass effect.

hehe
they are the money grubbing variety

I'll just leave these two things here.

[Badpie]

Despite the good intentions and valid points made by the OP I fear this thread will be locked pretty quickly because people can't at leat pretend to be mature adults. Not the OP's fault though.

[Shell_Kracker]

blank1 wrote...

Jewish. No, not being racist. It's just that the Quarians have so many Hebrew references. The star system named Sheol and the planet named Gei-Hinnom, in a Quarian system, and the fact that the Quarians opened their conclave with a traditional Jewish festival blessing (but in english) that was spoken by one of the female admirality members. It went like, "Blessed be the ancestors who have kept us alive, sustained us, and enabled us to reach this season." This is basically the exact translation of the traditional Jewish blessing, called the "shehecheyanu." Just replace "Ancestors" with "God." It's chanted at every major Jewish festival.

Maybe I'm reaching, but I think there are too many references. Perhasp the Quarians are modeled after Jewish people? I mean, exile from homeland/planet and all...

They don't have to be Jewish to use Hebrew words!

I realise that in the west, we are pretty narrow minded in the cultures we tend to put into video games.

It is always either Judeo-Christian or Greco-Roman or occasionally Nordic/Germanic/Anglo-Saxon.

But in Japanese games, Hindu, Chinese, Babylonian, Phoenecian, Buddhist, etc, references, are regularily thrown in from across the world.

Science fiction has a long history of using aliens as metaphors for the real world. 

[Shell_Kracker]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

Think about it. The Jews were forced to wander in the desert before reaching the promised land.

The quarians are galactic rejects forced to live in the Migrant Fleet.

Quarians are based on Jewish history and culture. Bravo Bioware.

Its not that simple.

The Quarians have 'Zionists' on their fleet, who want to 'retake the homeworld', and some who want peace and to settle elsewhere, etc.

The Geth are a misunderstood enemy that reside behind a 'veil' of secrecy, and people are paranoid of them.  But Legion reveals that the vast majority of Geth don't actually have anything against anyone - but they would defend their 'land' against the Quarians if they ever attacked.

It is another case of science fiction using metaphor to tackle a controversial subject.

[Shell_Kracker]

Neo Hex Omega wrote...

I suspect Bioware may be planning to parallel the exodus of the Jews from Egypt to the Promised Land, with the Quarians and a possible new homeworld in Mass Effect 3. It would be interesting if given enough development.

LOL, BioWare would never use something that trite and simplistic.