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[VettoRyouzou]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Yeah, I supported Koris' position on the Geth - he was right. Hopefully things work out - Legion makes it sound like it could be possible. However, I really worry about that e-mail I got from Admiral Morrigan though, err, I mean Admiral Daro'Xen. Umm, did anyone else read that e-mail from her?

It was probably one of the few point I think Tali and I agreed eye to eye ((And don't get me wrong I love tali but her stand on geth need to be lightened some hopefully legion has helped put some seeds there)). I have a strong feeling me or Tali ((if Tali did it I'd ****ing cheer)) are going to end up putting a Shot threw Daro'Xen head.

Even if it a renegade choice her actions are far worse then even going to war.

marshalleck wrote...

I have a hard time believing another
war between the quarians and the geth would result in anything but the
extinction of the quarian species. I tried to sway them away from war
for their own good, not out of a sense of allegiance or sympathy with
the geth. The geth can clearly take care of themselves. It's the
numbskulls on the quarian Admiralty that are going to get their whole
race into trouble.

I don't think the problem is "the quarians."
That's a fairly prejudicial attitude to take, since not all quarians
are eager to go kill geth. Some want to colonize and leave the geth
alone. It's just the Admirals.

I must admit that was also my mentality as well even thou I do support the none heretic geth I was more worried over the quarians safety if this happened.

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 03 février 2010 - 04:48 .

[wulf3n]

marshalleck wrote...
 I tried to sway them away from war for their own good, not out of a sense of allegiance or sympathy with the geth.

I did it more for Tali, she seemed adement to get her homeworld back, she got pretty angry at shepard for suggesting she should just colonize another planet, however the geth would obliterate the quarians, most likely killing Tali.

[lokiarchetype]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Yeah, I supported Koris' position on the Geth - he was right. Hopefully things work out - Legion makes it sound like it could be possible. However, I really worry about that e-mail I got from Admiral Morrigan though, err, I mean Admiral Daro'Xen. Umm, did anyone else read that e-mail from her?

It was probably one of the few point I think Tali and I agreed eye to eye ((And don't get me wrong I love tali but her stand on geth need to be lightened some hopefully legion has helped put some seeds there)). I have a strong feeling me or Tali ((if Tali did it I'd ****ing cheer)) are going to end up putting a Shot threw Daro'Xen head.

Even if it a renegade choice her actions are far worse then even going to war.

You performed surgery on your toys...?

...That explains a lot

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 03 février 2010 - 04:49 .

[TeaCokeProphet]

These quarians aren't just going to sit around on these ships forever. They need to be able to take off those suits. To breathe real air, to not feel so trapped anymore. I can sympathise with that, and I wholeheartedly agree they should get their homeworld back. But war is not the answer.

[lokiarchetype]

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

These quarians aren't just going to sit around on these ships forever. They need to be able to take off those suits. To breathe real air, to not feel so trapped anymore. I can sympathise with that, and I wholeheartedly agree they should get their homeworld back. But war is not the answer.

The Geth seem perfectly willing to give them their homeworld and live peacefully with them.

I'd worry about them being naive...

But honestly, I have a feeling that if the Quarians tried to take advantage of the deal, the Geth could crush them, for good this time.

[ODST 3]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
 However, I really worry about that e-mail I got from Admiral Morrigan though, err, I mean Admiral Daro'Xen. Umm, did anyone else read that e-mail from her?

Yeah, I may have to kill her if she threatens a peaceful solution. For the greater good... just like Jeong.

[VettoRyouzou]

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

These quarians aren't just going to sit around on these ships forever. They need to be able to take off those suits. To breathe real air, to not feel so trapped anymore. I can sympathise with that, and I wholeheartedly agree they should get their homeworld back. But war is not the answer.

Issue is thou there wanting to do it while there still alive, I love quarians I really do don't get that wrong, But that so.. very Selfish, they could take a new home and all be it they wouldn't see a sunrise suitless, Perhaps there children will or there children’s Children the point is they could save there race they just don't want to accept the alternative, I mean yes I do think the geth would hand over there home world but I stick to my idea why did they wait 300 years on ships for 1 planet when they could of set up a new one at least for a base of operations.

[wulf3n]

lokiarchetype wrote...

The Geth seem perfectly willing to give them their homeworld and live peacefully with them.

I'd worry about them being naive...

But honestly, I have a feeling that if the Quarians tried to take advantage of the deal, the Geth could crush them, for good this time.

I don't know about giving the quarians back their homeworld, after all its the geth homeworld as well, though they don't seem to harbour any ill will towards the quarians.

[lokiarchetype]

ODST 3 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
 However, I really worry about that e-mail I got from Admiral Morrigan though, err, I mean Admiral Daro'Xen. Umm, did anyone else read that e-mail from her?

Yeah, I may have to kill her if she threatens a peaceful solution. For the greater good... just like Jeong.

If you get to kill her, I hope you it's like punching the reporter, except when she gets up to swear at you, her faceplate cracks open and she freaks.

I don't know about giving the quarians back their homeworld, after all
its the geth homeworld as well, though they don't seem to harbour any
ill will towards the quarians.

Legion specifically states that Geth live in space and use asteroids for resources, they caretake the homeworld as a memorial for The Morning War

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 03 février 2010 - 04:57 .

[Gill Kaiser]

marshalleck wrote...

I have a hard time believing another war between the quarians and the geth would result in anything but the extinction of the quarian species. I tried to sway them away from war for their own good, not out of a sense of allegiance to or sympathy for the geth. The geth can clearly take care of themselves. It's the numbskulls on the quarian Admiralty that are going to get their whole race into trouble.

I don't think the problem is "the quarians." That's a fairly prejudicial attitude to take, since not all quarians are eager to go kill geth. Some want to colonize and leave the geth alone. It's just the Admirals.

And even that's just ignorance. If they got to hear what Legion had to say, and had time to get over their prejudice, there would be no need for bloodshed.

Something tells me this will be a major plot point in ME3.

[marshalleck]

Seriously though, there are other options.

If Admiral Qwib-Qwib could just put a leash and muzzle on Xen, a peaceful solution could be found.

The geth want to build for themselves a Dyson sphere where they can "merge" their programs into one consciousness that exists for as long as a star it draws energy from. The quarians as a whole represent some of the finest engineers the galaxy knows; the solution is obvious. The quarians and geth cooperatively construct the Dyson sphere, and the geth leave the quarian homeworld.

Modifié par marshalleck, 03 février 2010 - 04:59 .

[Pathogen69]

wulf3n wrote...
I don't know about giving the quarians back their homeworld, after all its the geth homeworld as well, though they don't seem to harbour any ill will towards the quarians.

not entirely accurate.  talking with legion, he says that the geth do not inhabit the quarian homeworld.  they are just merely "caretakers" of it and have been since the quarians went into exile.  legion says that they live in space stations above the planet and have been rebuilding and cleaning it up.

[yam123]

lokiarchetype wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Get your "Qwib-Qwib" lulz out of the way now =p.

But really he seems to be one of the smarter geth at First I thought he just be another Uldna hiding behind point for power but when you talk to him he actually deeply believes his actions and well after talking to Kal'Reegar ((A odd quarian accent doesn't match the rest)). I can safely say I support them trying a peaceful way I'm also hoping my suggest to Tali during her mission will as well help her lean toward there ideals, I 'd hate to have to pick between tali or chance to make peace between two species.

I told Koris to keep working towards peaceful resolutions.

Using Tali as a political tool was pretty douchey, though.

In ME2 I think the Quarians really come across as the bad guys, if you bother talking to Legion at all.

The quarians come across as dicks because they are... They created a bunch of robot slaves and when they gained sentience they attacked them instead of talking, and now they cry about losing their home. I liked that you could call tali out on that in the first game.  

[Pathogen69]

yam123 wrote...
The quarians come across as dicks because they are... They created a bunch of robot slaves and when they gained sentience they attacked them instead of talking, and now they cry about losing their home. I liked that you could call tali out on that in the first game.  

heh, ya.  but, i was also taken aback by the fact that tali actually yelled at you for suggesting "find another world to settle on."  i was like "wow, thats not the tali i know!"  i mean, ya, i know she has VERY strong opinions regarding the geth, she states this in the first game, but damn.  i felt a little emasculated at that point ><

[VettoRyouzou]

yam123 wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Get your "Qwib-Qwib" lulz out of the way now =p.

But really he seems to be one of the smarter geth at First I thought he just be another Uldna hiding behind point for power but when you talk to him he actually deeply believes his actions and well after talking to Kal'Reegar ((A odd quarian accent doesn't match the rest)). I can safely say I support them trying a peaceful way I'm also hoping my suggest to Tali during her mission will as well help her lean toward there ideals, I 'd hate to have to pick between tali or chance to make peace between two species.

I told Koris to keep working towards peaceful resolutions.

Using Tali as a political tool was pretty douchey, though.

In ME2 I think the Quarians really come across as the bad guys, if you bother talking to Legion at all.

The quarians come across as dicks because they are... They created a bunch of robot slaves and when they gained sentience they attacked them instead of talking, and now they cry about losing their home. I liked that you could call tali out on that in the first game.  

They come off.. as Human, I'm sorry but if we as a race were in the quarians shoes we do.. the EXACT same thing it what we been seeing since day 1 we all have a slight fear of losing control of what we made it just are nature and I think if some one built a computer that was aware many would demand it destruction. Aka the matrix =p.

[BigKahuna25]

After talking with Legion some I decided that the quarians shouldnt fight the geth.

[ODST 3]

Pathogen69 wrote...

wulf3n wrote...
I don't know about giving the quarians back their homeworld, after all its the geth homeworld as well, though they don't seem to harbour any ill will towards the quarians.

not entirely accurate.  talking with legion, he says that the geth do not inhabit the quarian homeworld.  they are just merely "caretakers" of it and have been since the quarians went into exile.  legion says that they live in space stations above the planet and have been rebuilding and cleaning it up.

Making it ready for poor Tali to watch her sunset, suitless.

[ODST 3]

VettoRyouzou wrote...
They come off.. as Human, I'm sorry but if we as a race were in the quarians shoes we do.. the EXACT same thing it what we been seeing since day 1 we all have a slight fear of losing control of what we made it just are nature and I think if some one built a computer that was aware many would demand it destruction. Aka the matrix =p.

Only difference is, we'd kick ass in the war.

[Teivel]

wulf3n wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...

The Geth seem perfectly willing to give them their homeworld and live peacefully with them.

I'd worry about them being naive...

But honestly, I have a feeling that if the Quarians tried to take advantage of the deal, the Geth could crush them, for good this time.

I don't know about giving the quarians back their homeworld, after all its the geth homeworld as well, though they don't seem to harbour any ill will towards the quarians.

Legion pretty much says straight out that they regard themselves purely as caretakers of the homeworld due to the number of Quarian dead on the planet, he compares it to Arlington. They see no use for actual planets, they don't need the space so a combination of vast space stations housing mainframes combined with asteroid mining is all they desire. There is no practical reason that the Geth would not allow the Quarians to return to the homeworld, even take posesion of many of the old quarian worlds. Legion says that the geth would have no objection to such a peace deal if you have him during Tali's trial and discuss it with Koris.

Peace is the optimum solution, the Geth and the Quarians are intrinsically tied together, both would benifit if they could meet again on an even ground of understanding....and then both would be in a better position to help me against the reapers.....

That's why Koris has the right idea. That's why i pushed the quarians to support peace and that's why i helped legion bring the heretics back into the fold. Hopefully it will help dissuade the quarians from war, and in any case, those numbers will be of use against the reapers. I hope Tali takes her fathers position on the Admiralty board, that would give them the votes to ensure against a war (while Xan is beyond hope, Admiral Raan and Koris are definitely on side and the third admiral seemed to merely want the homeworld reclaimed and would not be adverse to a peaceful solution. At 4-1 Xan is stuffed. Get rid of Xan or convince her and you have the numbers to even overide the conclave.

It was good to get a chance to dabble in politics and trials this time around, good change from shooting people.

[marshalleck]

I think Tali is going to undergo some transformation regarding the geth as well. Based on the outcome of her argument with Legion, although she distrusts geth, she can still see reason...she offers of her own volition to share with him non-classified information about the quarians and Legion accepts.



Legion and Tali are the personal faces of the geth-quarian conflict. They both better come back in ME3 since I tried so hard to make sure they both survived. :/

[NvVanity]

Not to change the subject. But did anyone notice what Qwib-Qwib wanted to change the name to?



Vas Iktomi

Vas Defranzh



Those two sound too much like Vasectomy and Vas Deferens......

[wulf3n]

ODST 3 wrote...

Pathogen69 wrote...

wulf3n wrote...
I don't know about giving the quarians back their homeworld, after all its the geth homeworld as well, though they don't seem to harbour any ill will towards the quarians.

not entirely accurate.  talking with legion, he says that the geth do not inhabit the quarian homeworld.  they are just merely "caretakers" of it and have been since the quarians went into exile.  legion says that they live in space stations above the planet and have been rebuilding and cleaning it up.

Making it ready for poor Tali to watch her sunset, suitless.

lol that would be somewhat ironic(i think the situation is ironic) that the quarians whinge about not being able to go home for 600 years, though the geth dont care that much and would let the quarians back if they asked nicely.

[flem1]

No, he's a naive schmuck. Although the quarians obviously shouldn't risk their fleet on an attack *at the time you meet them*, he has no basis for believing that the geth -- last seen helping Saren try to kill every organic sentient in the galaxy not long after themselves slaughtering billions of quarians -- had any interest in peace.



Legion's info changes things, but you have to be an utter fool to be for peace without it. And he's never met Legion.

[VettoRyouzou]

ODST 3 wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...
They come off.. as Human, I'm sorry but if we as a race were in the quarians shoes we do.. the EXACT same thing it what we been seeing since day 1 we all have a slight fear of losing control of what we made it just are nature and I think if some one built a computer that was aware many would demand it destruction. Aka the matrix =p.

Only difference is, we'd kick ass in the war.

Perhaps but you see were I'm going and why I can't hate quarians it case I see much of humanity in them next to any other race out there, Really quarians even thou one of the most alien in appearances ((I think?)) are more close to humans mentality then any other it why I can't hate them it also why I can understand what they did. Was it right? No not in any shape forum or fashion but then again Do I think we are any better and wouldn't do the same when afraid of losing control, Nope ^^.

flem1 wrote...

No, he's a naive schmuck. Although the
quarians obviously shouldn't risk their fleet on an attack *at the time
you meet them*, he has no basis for believing that the geth -- last
seen helping Saren try to kill every organic sentient in the galaxy not
long after themselves slaughtering billions of quarians -- had any
interest in peace.

Legion's info changes things, but you have to be an utter fool to be for peace without it. And he's never met Legion.

Bring Legion to the trail you will be shocked at what happens.

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 03 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[marshalleck]

NvVanity wrote...

Not to change the subject. But did anyone notice what Qwib-Qwib wanted to change the name to?

Vas Iktomi
Vas Defranzh

Those two sound too much like Vasectomy and Vas Deferens......

I hadn't thought about that actually. He even calls those "respectable" names.