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[statesman1114]

If the Geth are supposed to not want war, why haven't they opened up diplomatic talks yet?

[The Big Nothing]

Koris is kind of a douche, but he is also right.

[nov_pl]

I support him. Why not?

Next war, what it would be called? Noon War?, won't bring anything good for the Galaxy.

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

Shandepared wrote...

I don't support him at all. I cannot condone any course of action that leaves rogue synthetics free to terrorize the galaxy.

Of course. Only Cerberus should be given free reign to terrorize the galaxy, with Collector tech no less. I see how your mind works. 

BTW, I support Qwib Qwib. Shepherd AND Zaeed could only wish they were badass enough to pull off hot pink.

[Pacifien]

I suppose I do support Admiral Koris, and I don't even begrudge his reaction to Tali. He holds no ill will toward her, just her ideas. Don't know what I can say about the trial itself as I have no idea if it was Koris himself who initially accused Tali of treason. Probably.

I also believe the quarians should find a new world to colonize. 60 years or 600 years, they've already lost 300 years to the migration. A decent enough world provides stability, resources, even lifting the restrictions on having children. And Rannoch will still be there.

If they colonize a new world, though, that puts all their eggs in one basket. They'd have to devote the entire fleet to the project, to build infrastructure and, most of all, protect the colony from attack. But on the flip side, they also would need full devotion to a war with the geth to reclaim their homeworld.

Most likely my own view is clouded by my own life. I've moved far too often to call any place my hometown. In fact, the place I was born doesn't even exist anymore, but I felt nothing for its demise. Even Tali admits that the Migrant Fleet is truly home at this point. Their homeworld has become more of a symbol of what they dream to be a better life, perhaps a perfect life. Like a Garden of Eden.

Of course, there is still blame on both sides of the quarian/geth conflict. Why don't the quarians attempt contact with the geth on purely peaceful terms? Why did the geth stay secluded for 300 years, never sending their own envoy for peace? Even when they finally did send an envoy, it was Legion who was purely sent to work on Reaper intel.

However, I'm reminded of a news segment where they interviewed an Israeli and Palestinian and asked what they would do if they were placed in the same room. Both made it clear that they would say absolutely nothing to each other at all. Some conflicts run deep.

Modifié par Pacifien, 24 juillet 2010 - 03:45 .

[KainrycKarr]

I agree with the Qwib, but only reluctantly, and only because any war against the geth would result in utter extinction for the Quarians.



The Quarians came off as rather...naive, imo, in ME2, rather than clearcut good guys. I like that.



The less black and white, the better, imo.

[Giggles_Manically]

If only between 3-5% of geth actually fought organics, why would we wish to fight the other 95-97% of Geth?



I mean the fleet that attacked the Citadel is insignificant next to how many other geth there are, and they nearly totaled it. They are probably also ramping up numbers as well, since they are the only faction to believe (outside of Cerberus that reapers are coming). Besides Xen is clearly a nutter, just read her email and try to see someone sane writing it:



After Tali's trial is complete, Admiral Xen sends a message to Commander Shepard's terminal that she did some searching of her own aboard the Alarei. She cryptically states that had Shepard presented the results of Rael'Zorah's research, humanity would've reaped the benefits, instead, they "will watch from a distance as the quarian people reclaim not just their homeworld, but the largest synthetic army in the galaxy". <-- Mass Effect wiki.



Probably the Geth will be some whole sentient/slave vs machine/alive arc.

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

Shandepared wrote...

statesman1114 wrote...

If the Geth are supposed to not want war, why haven't they opened up diplomatic talks yet?

Legion's a liar.

Well, there's a rational perspective on the whole Geth-Quarian conflict if I ever saw one. Colour me "convinced."

[Kikaimegami]

Don't mind Shandepared; he just likes to be contrary when he knows it'll make people mad.

[Pacifien]

Kikaimegami wrote...
Don't mind Shandepared; he just likes to be contrary when he knows it'll make people mad.

Actually, he's pretty consistent. Just happens his beliefs are contrary to a lot of people's ideas.

[smecky-kitteh]

I sort of agree but he is still an ass.

[Kikaimegami]

Pacifien wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
Don't mind Shandepared; he just likes to be contrary when he knows it'll make people mad.

Actually, he's pretty consistent. Just happens his beliefs are contrary to a lot of people's ideas.

True.. I guess being pro-genocide and pro-racism tends to make most people mad.

[Bebbe777]

People seem to forget that the Geth are rebuilding the Quarians world, why? Maybe they want their masters to come home, especially if Shepard has shown that organics can be trusted. They dont even use the planets, they have space stations. A war would totally destroy this. If the Quarians can show understanding and the Geth are allowed to speak the Quarians may get their planet back while the rest of the galaxy gain an important ally against the Reapers.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

He is the best choice because he is the only one who wants peace with the geth.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Kinda support? He's the ONLY one I support.

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...
Implying the quarians can do anything about the geth. :innocent:

If Xen can't, Cerberus can. We'll annex the Perseus Veil and allow the quarians to live there under certain conditions.

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

If the geth wanted the quarians to return they'd have taken the intiative in opening diplomatic relations with them.

How do you think the geth should go about opening diplomatic relations?

And let's not forget that, according to Legion, the geth are actively seeking to model organic behavior in order to better understand their creators' decisions.

Shandepared wrote...

The geth could even just leave. They do not need the planet after all.

And yet they seem to stay and take care of it because it holds some value to them. Why do you think this is?

Shandepared wrote...

Instead they insist on occupying all the quarian worlds and are clearly not willing to allow the quarians to return.

We don't know where the geth are distributed in the formerly quarian space, only that they have a presence on Rannoch.

Shandepared wrote...
Legion is just telling you what you want to hear. (or at least the writers are)

I wonder what you'll try to come up with after ME3. :innocent:

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

How do you think the geth should go about opening diplomatic relations?

Ever hear of a radio?

Yes, they're rather short range compared to the standards of the Mass Effect universe.

So what do you think the geth would have to do to get in touch with the Migrant Fleet and begin diplomacy?

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Why do you think this is?

Strategic, maybe. The Perseus Veil is a secluded region. Perhaps they stay there because it is easy to defend.

Do you think it would be easier for the geth to defend themselves if they stayed behind The Perseus Veil in formerly quarian territory where everyone knows they are, or if they left for an uncharged region of space?

[Estelindis]

I found it refreshing that a guy who'd been such an ass re. Tali actually had his head screwed on right re. the geth. Go character complexity!

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

So what do you think the geth would have to do to get in touch with the Migrant Fleet and begin diplomacy?

Transmit an audible transmission in which they explain what they are doing on Rannoch and that they desire peace with the quarian people. Obviously that alone wouldn't get the two reconciled, but it would be a start. The discussion has to start somewhere. However as it is only (some of) the quarians seem interested in actually talking and have actually taken action in that direction (by opposing their political rivals who wish harm to geth). The geth however have done nothing but be the same old reclusive ****stains they've always been.

You're missing the point. Transmissions aren't of infinite range. So what would the geth have to do?

Also, you said it would be a start, but to what? According to Legion, organics are unpredictable to geth, which is why they want to model organic behavior. So I'll ask, what do you believe the geth think will happen if they contact the quarians?

Shandepared wrote...

I think if the geth were genuin about wanting peace that they'd have sent a transmission to the Citadel as soon as the Heretics broke off from the main collective. Would the Council have believed them outright? Of-course not, but the dialog would have been started. If the geth were serious about proving that they are at the very least not a threat to the galaxy they'd have then gone to war with the Heretics.

What reason do the geth have to acknowledge the authority of the Citadel Council? Note that the Council just got done giving the quarians the boot.

Let's also note that the geth just finished what they call the Morning War, where their creators disowned them and tried to wipe them out shortly after they gained sentience. How do you think the geth feel about contacting some other less familiar group of organics (the Council), assuming they even acknowledge their authority?

Shandepared wrote...

You can't have peace without a measure of trust and you can't have any trust without dialog.

But do the geth know or believe that?

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Do you think it would be easier for the geth to defend themselves if they stayed behind The Perseus Veil in formerly quarian territory where everyone knows they are, or if they left for an uncharged region of space?

I think they might be better off moving to a completely uncharted region. Space is big. It could take thousands of years for anyone find even a trace of them if they did that. After all, they don't want anything to do with organics so why stick around? The geth leave and so they are left alone and the quarians get their homeworld back.

Well you seem to think it is a good idea, so why do you think the geth don't see it similarly?

Also, if the geth didn't want anything to do with organics, why did they build Legion's platform to supposedly operate independently in organic space? Legion's head-flaps to me imply a geth analog to organic body language.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 25 juillet 2010 - 03:04 .