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[Unit-Alpha]

Deviija wrote...

I'd be happy to see Liara in ME3 as a squaddie. But... I prefer my geeky archaeologist Liara instead of badarse, bloodthirsty, and deathdealer Liara.

That bloodthirsty Liara is a cover, nothing more. Her personality, IMHO, hasn't changed underneath besides gaining maturity.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 03 février 2010 - 09:59 .

[camcon2100]

I belive in ME3 She will return as the kind heart we love. But we will need to help her get that back

[DigitalMaster37]

But let's not forget that progression in personality and character is attractive in and of itself as long as the person doesn't stray away far from their core self. I like that Liara has "changed", because it meanas she has progressed and didn't remain stagnant in her personal and individual progression as an Asari. I mean she can't be 700 years old and still be innocent...

[ratzerman]

Unit-Alpha wrote...
If she's a squadmate and romance option, I'll preorder the best edition regardless of the cost

Heck.... I'd buy two best editions.  And I'm pretty damn poor.

[Unit-Alpha]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

But let's not forget that progression in personality and character is attractive in and of itself as long as the person doesn't stray away far from their core self. I like that Liara has "changed", because it meanas she has progressed and didn't remain stagnant in her personal and individual progression as an Asari. I mean she can't be 700 years old and still be innocent...

Sure, but she's only aged to a little over 100. I doubt she's innocent anymore, however.

[Driveninhifi]

I didn't see her as actually bloodthirsty. Just doing what she has to do (or thinks she has to do)- she knows the line works so she uses it, that sort of thing.

They could have done a better job of making it obvious that she really doesn't like this life. She's lonely, consumed by guilt and angry. She's probably miserable. Everyone's life without Shepard sucks, apparently.

One stream I saw had the option to ask her about the threat - something like "that's a serious threat there" but I don't remember seeing the option in my game. What does she say in that case?

[DigitalMaster37]

ratzerman wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...
If she's a squadmate and romance option, I'll preorder the best edition regardless of the cost

Heck.... I'd buy two best editions.  And I'm pretty damn poor.

add me to that list of buying the best version that is released. I hope they make a all encompassing collectors edition which includes all of the DLC and ME & ME2. I'd pay $150 for that. Oh and yeah add a Liara figurine or statue, that would OWN!!! Oh and a Reaper Statue (I have to choose between Sovereing and Harbinger). Yeah that's it I think...

[NoUserNameHere]

Liara as a squadmate is all but assured.

[Deviija]

I'm all for character progression and evolution, but I have a hard time wrapping my brain around her radical change/cover/anger when thinking of Asari time. Two years is like two months in asari time, no? It may be a long time for humans, but I always figured Asari were slow to change and that's what they admired about humans. Adaptability.

[speedy111280]

jlb524 wrote...

There are moments were Liara sounds more like her 'old self'.

First, when the Normandy is being destroyed and Liara talks to Shepard.

Second, when Liara first meets Shepard again on Illium she screams: 'Shepard!' before running over to give the Shepster a hug and kiss.

Third, in the video linked above.

At other times, her voice sounds hoarser. When she's explaining her hacking missions to Shepard, when she's treatening that random hologram dude at the beginning.

So, Hillis hasn't completely changed how she voices Liara. The old sound is still there at key moments. It all has to do with Liara's character.

I think it was done that way on purpose. When we hear the Liara we all know and love we are getting to see the real Liara and her real emotions. When we hear this oddly voiced Liara we're hearing the act she is putting on. To me it sounds like Liara is trying to imitate Benezia as she was on Noveria in order to intimidate people. She knows she's being spied on and doesn't want to give too much emotion away to be used against her but she slips when she first she's Shepard and relaxes a little bit more once Nyxeris is taken care of.

[Unit-Alpha]

Deviija wrote...

I'm all for character progression and evolution, but I have a hard time wrapping my brain around her radical change/cover/anger when thinking of Asari time. Two years is like two months in asari time, no? It may be a long time for humans, but I always figured Asari were slow to change and that's what they admired about humans. Adaptability.

She talked about how she was amazed by the ability of humanity to adjust quickly in ME1. I'd say that wore off a bit on her as 2 years is something like 2-3 months for Asari.

[DigitalMaster37]

Deviija wrote...

I'm all for character progression and evolution, but I have a hard time wrapping my brain around her radical change/cover/anger when thinking of Asari time. Two years is like two months in asari time, no? It may be a long time for humans, but I always figured Asari were slow to change and that's what they admired about humans. Adaptability.

Like others have said I am sold on it being her coverup. The reason why is because she is being watched during that whole scene (Or listened to) I think she is putting on a serious front. YOu can tell by her inability to remain consistent with her "newfound" personality. She was not really believable with her violent side, it was like she pasted it to her personality. There is so much more to this story than we know and I think she can't tell us anything (as she says) She wants to so bad though and you can see it, but she can't come out of her "acting" for some reason or another, and I think it's because she is being watched.


(for the record) I know the writing ^ is bad, but I am being lazy right now and refuse to proofread it.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 03 février 2010 - 10:15 .

[Nayt Navare]

The Shadow Agent wrote...

Is it me or when liara speaks does her voice have any emotion at all?

Thanks, that's very interesting!

[Driveninhifi]

Honestly, her putting on a "tough" face for her job is the only way it makes sense for her character. I also think that the writers probably didn't think about "asari time" - though I also buy that not applying to her. (considering she doesn't let go of Shepard and most asari are portrayed as accepting their mates' deaths gracefully)

I think the main problem is that the player is shown a character that appears to have completely changed but is not given enough information for it to be believable. It's certainly the writer's prerogative to withhold information. However in this case I think what ruins the scene is that the writers are withholding conversation options. There can certainly be things Shepard doesn't know, but in this case there are really obvious things that Shepard can't even ask or follow up on. As I said earlier, I also feel that there needs to be an element besides herself (vengeance, guilt, etc) for her to remain obsessed for so long.

She says she's been searching for two years, so Feron must get captured during the search for the body. That means she can't have known him for very long. I can buy her feeling guilty, but 2 years of obsession over Feron doesn't really make sense. We know she loves Shepard, but when he /she comes back doesn't that affect her obsession? There are too many missing pieces - the player needs to be able to ask these questions for the conversation and her character development to seem more natural.

Modifié par Driveninhifi, 03 février 2010 - 10:26 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Liara seems to be the most quasi human of all the Asari. She deeply cares about Shepard and his/her death affects her quite noticeably. She seems to follow the human life time line closer than most Asari. Finally, she's the only Asari with eyebrows. This is probably why she has a very humanoid reaction to the loss of Shepard as opposed to the typical disjoined Asari love style.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 03 février 2010 - 10:32 .

[Schurge]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Liara seems to be the most quasi human of all the Asari. She deeply cares about Shepard and his/her death affects her quite noticeably. She seems to follow the human life time line closer than most Asari. Finally, she's the only Asari with eyebrows. This is probably why she has a very humanoid reaction to the loss of Shepard as opposed to the typical disjoined Asari love style.

I officially feel less nerdy. I have not stared at her long enough to notice the eyebrows.

Modifié par Schurge, 03 février 2010 - 10:40 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Schurge wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Liara seems to be the most quasi human of all the Asari. She deeply cares about Shepard and his/her death affects her quite noticeably. She seems to follow the human life time line closer than most Asari. Finally, she's the only Asari with eyebrows. This is probably why she has a very humanoid reaction to the loss of Shepard as opposed to the typical disjoined Asari love style.

I officially feel less nerdy. I have not stared at her long enough to notice the eyebrows.

Haha, I would have never noticed the eyebrow thing myself.

No, I read it in one of the old ME forum threads and realized it was true.

[Corti78]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Schurge wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Liara seems to be the most quasi human of all the Asari. She deeply cares about Shepard and his/her death affects her quite noticeably. She seems to follow the human life time line closer than most Asari. Finally, she's the only Asari with eyebrows. This is probably why she has a very humanoid reaction to the loss of Shepard as opposed to the typical disjoined Asari love style.

I officially feel less nerdy. I have not stared at her long enough to notice the eyebrows.

Haha, I would have never noticed the eyebrow thing myself.

No, I read it in one of the old ME forum threads and realized it was true.

Same thing here. I never noticed it till I saw someone else mention it and then actually paid attention to all the Asari in one of my playthroughs. Only Liara and Benezia have eyebrows. Kind of curious if they're painted on since no other asari have them, at least to my knowledge.

Modifié par Corti78, 03 février 2010 - 10:47 .

[JamieCOTC]

To be honest, I didn't like Liara at first in ME1, but she grew on me. Now I can't imagine it without her. She was a LI in ME1 for my fem Shep, so I stayed loyal in ME2. Anyway, yes, definitely want her as a squad mate in 3rd act. Regardless, I think she will play a pivotal role in ME3.



(oh, and screw FOX and bring back the sex scene!)

[xMister Vx]

She seems to have an agenda of her own. Your old squadmates (except Tali and Garrus) seem to really have moved on. I mean, they've got lots of stuff to do on their end. They would be (rationally) more effective as your support - getting information, rallying the clans to your cause, etc. Can't really do that while running around and shooting things. They might do that in the finale, but... well, I'm not against her, but it'll be too awkward. I wasn't attached to her at all in ME1 (despite romancing), and now she became more interesting, but not more attractive.

[Nayt Navare]

I like Liara, and I actually cheat on her in my first playthrough, mostly because I had no idea about her "revelation", and I was curious about romancing other characters. Still, she is my fave romance option, though I am curious as to why her skin tone changed a bit in ME2.

[Unit-Alpha]

xMister Vx wrote...

She seems to have an agenda of her own. Your old squadmates (except Tali and Garrus) seem to really have moved on. I mean, they've got lots of stuff to do on their end. They would be (rationally) more effective as your support - getting information, rallying the clans to your cause, etc. Can't really do that while running around and shooting things. They might do that in the finale, but... well, I'm not against her, but it'll be too awkward. I wasn't attached to her at all in ME1 (despite romancing), and now she became more interesting, but not more attractive.

Her agenda was all about Shepard. She was trying to redeem herself for what she did to him/her. No, other than that she doesn't seem to have ulterior motives.

[Unit-Alpha]

SE JN wrote...

I like Liara, and I actually cheat on her in my first playthrough, mostly because I had no idea about her "revelation", and I was curious about romancing other characters. Still, she is my fave romance option, though I am curious as to why her skin tone changed a bit in ME2.

I'm assuming that an effect of maturing.

[speedy111280]

xMister Vx wrote...

She seems to have an agenda of her own. Your old squadmates (except Tali and Garrus) seem to really have moved on. I mean, they've got lots of stuff to do on their end. They would be (rationally) more effective as your support - getting information, rallying the clans to your cause, etc. Can't really do that while running around and shooting things. They might do that in the finale, but... well, I'm not against her, but it'll be too awkward. I wasn't attached to her at all in ME1 (despite romancing), and now she became more interesting, but not more attractive.

Actually all the squad members except Liara have moved on. Yes Tali and Garrus join your team in ME2 but they had moved on with their lives after Shepard. Liara never has which it what makes her story more touching for me. Everyone else wrote Shepard off as dead and got on with their lives, maybe not right away but eventually they did. Liara doesn't, she gives up everything she's loved (her career and her solitude) in order to get Shepard back so she can see the body for herself. Not only that but she also give Shepard's body to Cerberus on the off chance that they can bring Shepard back to life, knowing Shepard might hate her, all because she couldn't let Shepard go. I think that's a much more powerful display of love and devotion than any of the other squad mates show. It's one thing to be willing to die for someone leading you into battle, it's another to give up everything and risk your life to recover the body of someone who is already dead.

[bjdbwea]

I agree, the most important thing would've been at least one small single comment from Shepard about his feelings, whatever the player decides they are now. If that at least were there, I'd be able to overlook the bad presentation and lack of explanation for her obscure changes.



I fear that a possible DLC will again be but another round of combat scenarios and make no mention of the relationship. I think after the disappointment with ME 2, no one should order that DLC (if and when it may be available) until we KNOW what's inside and what's not. Refuse to buy if it doesn't deliver. I know I will act as such.