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[seyera]

oh! how did you get that avatar?

[Unit-Alpha]

Yeah, really how the heck did you get that?

[Corti78]

Its a little trick using the PC version of DA:O and how it uploads character portraits to use as avatars.

Modifié par Corti78, 05 février 2010 - 05:35 .

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

Yes as much as I would absolutely hate to see her die, no one at all should have unobtainium plot armor in the third game.

Well I disagree, Liara should be unable to be killed, she is too important and BioWare knows it. It's funny, because all of the other LI fans got such a problem with Liara being plot armored. I love it. She can't die.

If they don't kill Liara off in ME3, they can always use her character down the road in other Mass Effect related spin offs.  Liara's only 108 and can live to be almost one thousand years old.   If some one writes an ME novel that is set 300 years in the future, Liara can still be in it.  Maybe not as a major player, but  just as a 'cameo'.  This would provide long-term ME fans who read that novel with a charater they are familiar with... even in an ME setting that takes place well after Commander Shepard is dead and gone.

WEll said J! and I totally agree. It would be cool to be playing a new ME game down the road and run accross Liara who can help and lend wisdom and probably squad help. Not only that but she'll be a matriarch. sweet!

Here's to looking too far into the future, lol!

[Unit-Alpha]

Imagine Liara as a Matriarch. That is like the epitome of awesomeness.

[seyera]

Ooh I see a future game plot in the works

[jlb524]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Imagine Liara as a Matriarch. That is like the epitome of awesomeness.

Yes, I would like to see this in a future work of Mass Effect fiction.

Corti78 wrote...

Its a little trick using the PC version
of DA:O and how it uploads character portraits to use as avatars.

This.

[DigitalMaster37]

Liara as a Matriarch would own all! I need to see this. I just might try to draw her as a Matriarch... Okay let me dust off the drawing skills...

[Corti78]

Would be interesting if a import save was made at the end of ME3 just to add references/small cameos to future games. Perhaps if you stay true to Liara and use that save you would not only see Liara but possibly her and Shepard's child (if they were to have one).

Modifié par Corti78, 05 février 2010 - 05:53 .

[Driveninhifi]

Well, the more I think about this the more I think the scene was just handled horribly. I like the idea, but it's just not believable as presented in game. There needs to be more character development and exposition to really support such a vast change. As it is now, you only get some vague ideas. It's not enough.

Liara's just not believable as a violent information broker. Driven, obsessed, sure. I really like the idea that she decides it is her duty to bring down the Shadow Broker. But the anger doesn't fit her at all - a personal vendetta for two years I don't buy. If she's angry at anyone, it has to be herself.

There also needs to be evidence that she hates the violence, intimidation, etc. It's not realistic that she'd revel in it and showing her misery would do a lot for her development. To really do it right, they should have made Liara a squad member and let you have many conversations with her. The "I was afraid you'd hate me" is a good start, but there needs to be a whole not more. The interaction also really, really suffers from not being able to bring up Shepard and Liara's relationship.



In my head, the only explanation that makes sense is something along these lines:

Liara screws up during the recovery of the body and gets Feron killed/captured. She gives Shepard to Cerberus because she desperately wants him/her back. The Shadow Broker comes after her with everything he's got. 2 years of fighting back, plus her guilt over Shepard/Feron makes her miserable and paranoid. I can see general anger in there too, but revenge really doesn't fit her.

The game really needs to tell you exactly what happened though.

The problem with that is I'm not sure I buy her being able to establish an information empire in that timeframe, nor being particularly good at strong-arming people to get what she needs. Also I would expect that Shepard's return would drastically temper her obsession. And she can't have known Feron long enough for me to imagine her choosing him over Shepard. There needs to be a duty element in there - you have to imagine she's been waiting or at least really hoping that Shepard would return to her. And if Shepard does and isn't mad at her, doesn't that put a huge conflicting motivation in her? It would be awesome if they explored this, but they really don't do so in game. And that's a shame, because it makes her reasons for staying seem very contrived.

[f1ameseeker80]

It was hell of a pain to turn down Miranda to stay faithful to Liara, I really do hope it pays off on ME3.

[flem1]

jlb524 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Imagine Liara as a Matriarch. That is like the epitome of awesomeness.

Yes, I would like to see this in a future work of Mass Effect fiction.

It could even be in a future (non-trilogy) game.  Of course, the devs would have to be coy about whether she was Shep's LI or not.

[Nayt Navare]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Well, the more I think about this the more I think the scene was just handled horribly. I like the idea, but it's just not believable as presented in game. There needs to be more character development and exposition to really support such a vast change. As it is now, you only get some vague ideas. It's not enough.
Liara's just not believable as a violent information broker. Driven, obsessed, sure. I really like the idea that she decides it is her duty to bring down the Shadow Broker. But the anger doesn't fit her at all - a personal vendetta for two years I don't buy. If she's angry at anyone, it has to be herself.
There also needs to be evidence that she hates the violence, intimidation, etc. It's not realistic that she'd revel in it and showing her misery would do a lot for her development. To really do it right, they should have made Liara a squad member and let you have many conversations with her. The "I was afraid you'd hate me" is a good start, but there needs to be a whole not more. The interaction also really, really suffers from not being able to bring up Shepard and Liara's relationship.

In my head, the only explanation that makes sense is something along these lines:
Liara screws up during the recovery of the body and gets Feron killed/captured. She gives Shepard to Cerberus because she desperately wants him/her back. The Shadow Broker comes after her with everything he's got. 2 years of fighting back, plus her guilt over Shepard/Feron makes her miserable and paranoid. I can see general anger in there too, but revenge really doesn't fit her.
The game really needs to tell you exactly what happened though.
The problem with that is I'm not sure I buy her being able to establish an information empire in that timeframe, nor being particularly good at strong-arming people to get what she needs. Also I would expect that Shepard's return would drastically temper her obsession. And she can't have known Feron long enough for me to imagine her choosing him over Shepard. There needs to be a duty element in there - you have to imagine she's been waiting or at least really hoping that Shepard would return to her. And if Shepard does and isn't mad at her, doesn't that put a huge conflicting motivation in her? It would be awesome if they explored this, but they really don't do so in game. And that's a shame, because it makes her reasons for staying seem very contrived.

All reason for an aweomse Liara expansion pack!

[DigitalMaster37]

Yeah, I would say there is a ton of content that could be explored with Liara DLC. I personally don't want to kill the SB in the DLC though, maybe save that for ME3. Yet we can help and do some really dangerous missions with Liara and of course the rekindling of the relationship.

I think we just need to get her alone away from prying eyes (given she is being watched). I'd bet she'd open up about everything.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 05 février 2010 - 01:29 .

[ratzerman]

SE JN wrote...
All reason for an aweomse Liara expansion pack!

Liara DLC (that acknowledges romance) + Liara squadmate in ME3 = Bioware is forgiven.

[Nozybidaj]

ratzerman wrote...

SE JN wrote...
All reason for an aweomse Liara expansion pack!

Liara DLC (that acknowledges romance) + Liara squadmate in ME3 = Bioware is forgiven.

A nice expansion pack that lets us reunite with her, help her with her SB problems, gets her back to her old self, and lets me show her my fish tank, I might be persuaded to forgive them.

[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

speedy111280 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...
Either way, she will obviously live in my playthrough, so that is all that matters anyway. Oh Liara... *stares longingly in space*

She would certainly live in mine as well. My Shepard and Liara are going to live happily together after the defeat of the Reapers for as long as Shepard's partially cybernetic body holds out.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'll do everything in my power and travel across the entire galaxy to keep her alive. 
<3

There should just be a possibility that she could die if you do the wrong thing.  But on the other end of the spectrum I will be ultra p***** if they intentionally off her in a cutscene and you can't change the outcome.

[CastroKathy]

SE JN wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

The problem with that is I'm not sure I buy her being able to establish an information empire in that timeframe, nor being particularly good at strong-arming people to get what she needs. Also I would expect that Shepard's return would drastically temper her obsession. And she can't have known Feron long enough for me to imagine her choosing him over Shepard. There needs to be a duty element in there - you have to imagine she's been waiting or at least really hoping that Shepard would return to her. And if Shepard does and isn't mad at her, doesn't that put a huge conflicting motivation in her? It would be awesome if they explored this, but they really don't do so in game. And that's a shame, because it makes her reasons for staying seem very contrived.

All reason for an aweomse Liara expansion pack!

Agreed, the Liara story was holey as Swiss cheese (now there's some good writing). It's puzzling because Liara seems to be a key part of the whole story. I would add that she tosses us a line about people not wanting to be her enemy after her adventures with Shepard last time, so that could explain the ability to strong arm people. Ugh, I just defended BioWare.
 
I’m not sure why people are so hopeful for DLC, after all the hype about possible expansion packs for ME1 all we got was two really lame extra shooty bits.

[Nozybidaj]

CastroKathy wrote...

I’m not sure why people are so hopeful for DLC, after all the hype about possible expansion packs for ME1 all we got was two really lame extra shooty bits.

Because it is our only hope at this point.

[Nayt Navare]

CastroKathy wrote...

SE JN wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

The problem with that is I'm not sure I buy her being able to establish an information empire in that timeframe, nor being particularly good at strong-arming people to get what she needs. Also I would expect that Shepard's return would drastically temper her obsession. And she can't have known Feron long enough for me to imagine her choosing him over Shepard. There needs to be a duty element in there - you have to imagine she's been waiting or at least really hoping that Shepard would return to her. And if Shepard does and isn't mad at her, doesn't that put a huge conflicting motivation in her? It would be awesome if they explored this, but they really don't do so in game. And that's a shame, because it makes her reasons for staying seem very contrived.

All reason for an aweomse Liara expansion pack!

Agreed, the Liara story was holey as Swiss cheese (now there's some good writing). It's puzzling because Liara seems to be a key part of the whole story. I would add that she tosses us a line about people not wanting to be her enemy after her adventures with Shepard last time, so that could explain the ability to strong arm people. Ugh, I just defended BioWare.
 
I’m not sure why people are so hopeful for DLC, after all the hype about possible expansion packs for ME1 all we got was two really lame extra shooty bits.

Theres a line of code "liara_dlc_leadin"

[ratzerman]

Nozybidaj wrote...

A nice expansion pack that lets us reunite with her, help her with her SB problems, gets her back to her old self, and lets me show her my fish tank, I might be persuaded to forgive them.

Wouldn't that be nice?  A little happiness for our lonely, heartbroken Shepards?  But, no.... Liara fans are meant to suffer. 

[bjdbwea]

Hey, BdtS wasn't bad, it had a good background story, a difficult decision as well as portraying the outcome in a believable, emotional way. It CAN be done, though I too think they'd rather go the easy route and just throw us some more combat arenas along with some more hacking games. DLC usually is all about minimizing effort, maximizing profit. So yeah, the best hopes are for ME 3. The more I play ME 2, the more I dislike many of its changes, and the more I think that I really won't bother buying ME 3 if us fans of the ME 1 companions get screwed again.

[DigitalMaster37]

Yeah I would be 100% pissed if ME3 comees around and Liara has the same size role she has in this game. I will blow a gasket and might...just might NOT buy the game. I must say out of all the awesomeness that is the ME universe and trilogy, Liara is my favorite part of it. I say that in all seriousness, and if I can't interact with her to a huge degree in ME3, I will lose a lot of love for the writers of this trilogy.



but I don't see them leaving us hanging twice, so I'll remain optimistic.

[Mox Ruuga]

bjdbwea wrote...

Hey, BdtS wasn't bad, it had a good background story, a difficult decision as well as portraying the outcome in a believable, emotional way. It CAN be done, though I too think they'd rather go the easy route and just throw us some more combat arenas along with some more hacking games. DLC usually is all about minimizing effort, maximizing profit. So yeah, the best hopes are for ME 3. The more I play ME 2, the more I dislike many of its changes, and the more I think that I really won't bother buying ME 3 if us fans of the ME 1 companions get screwed again.

Agreed on BDtS. The ending decision alone made it worth the... well, free download (for PC).

We need more hard edged choices between Paragon and Renegade like that. Balak is so worthy of being killed messily, but OTOH I feel for brave Kate and the others. But thinking in RL terms, giving in to terrorists is a big no-no...

Bioware could do a callback to this mission somewhere later, as ME2 DLC or in ME3, where there is another terrorist situation. If you killed Balak, it is led by some random douche. If you let him go, the enemy forces are stronger, but this time you do get to stomp him out. The "price" is, some hostages will die no matter what you do... And more of them die, if Balak is in charge. Something like that.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Hey, BdtS wasn't bad, it had a good background story, a difficult decision as well as portraying the outcome in a believable, emotional way. It CAN be done, though I too think they'd rather go the easy route and just throw us some more combat arenas along with some more hacking games. DLC usually is all about minimizing effort, maximizing profit. So yeah, the best hopes are for ME 3. The more I play ME 2, the more I dislike many of its changes, and the more I think that I really won't bother buying ME 3 if us fans of the ME 1 companions get screwed again.

Agreed on BDtS. The ending decision alone made it worth the... well, free download (for PC).

We need more hard edged choices between Paragon and Renegade like that. Balak is so worthy of being killed messily, but OTOH I feel for brave Kate and the others. But thinking in RL terms, giving in to terrorists is a big no-no...

Bioware could do a callback to this mission somewhere later, as ME2 DLC or in ME3, where there is another terrorist situation. If you killed Balak, it is led by some random douche. If you let him go, the enemy forces are stronger, but this time you do get to stomp him out. The "price" is, some hostages will die no matter what you do... And more of them die, if Balak is in charge. Something like that.

I enjoyed BDtS as well, I just want something much more involved and a lot more content than that with a Liara expansion.  I want a story line and a string of missions leading to a rekindling of their romance.  The size of BDtS just ins't enough to encompass all of that.