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[DigitalMaster37]

Thievius Sisko wrote...

I'm praying that the total lack of Liara in the main game was intentional because they have something big planned for her DLC. Is that just wishful thinking?

Me too. Actually I really think we'll see the DLC for Liara.

plus, we're almost at 1000 posts. keep it up. It's not lik we don't have anything to talk about.

I am getting ready to crash soon, but I think it's cool Liara has a lot of fans, and currently we have a round 950 posts. good stuff.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 08 février 2010 - 06:18 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Thievius Sisko wrote...

I'm praying that the total lack of Liara in the main game was intentional because they have something big planned for her DLC. Is that just wishful thinking?

I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Didn't the devs tell us they were set in their plans for the ME1 LIs, and knew that "some" of us would "disagree", but that we would be acceptable losses from the fandom?

There might be a "Liara" DLC, but I'm pretty sure she'll only be the quest giver for it. Worst case scenario, its about the stinking desert lizard "friend" of her's. From some merc group I bet. Not like we've seen too many mercs in this game already... /sarc

We have to go and rescue him, and then continue our suicide run while she stays with him on Ilium. I won't buy it until I know what it's all about. Won't be wasting my money on some drell gathering expedition.

[xX Helfire Xx]

I agree with Mox Ruuga, if we do get something, i wont be holding my breathe for it to be spectacular, but then again anything is better than nothing right? hope i dont regret saying that...

[Championette]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Championette wrote...

Loving the pictures

Why does Liara have eyebrows when no other Asari does?

Benezia has the "eyebrows" as well.

Perhaps it's a T'soni family tradition?

Hmm..perhaps. Forgot about Benezia

[DigitalMaster37]

Championette wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Championette wrote...

Loving the pictures

Why does Liara have eyebrows when no other Asari does?

Benezia has the "eyebrows" as well.

Perhaps it's a T'soni family tradition?

Hmm..perhaps. Forgot about Benezia

But T'soni is Liara's Fathers last name right? Benezia didn't carry that name, I don't think.

[Thievius Sisko]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Didn't the devs tell us they were set in their plans for the ME1 LIs, and knew that "some" of us would "disagree", but that we would be acceptable losses from the fandom?

Wow. Did they really say that? Honestly, if they screw up the Liara romance they will be crushing my heart...

[seyera]

Championette wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Championette wrote...

Loving the pictures

Why does Liara have eyebrows when no other Asari does?

Benezia has the "eyebrows" as well.

Perhaps it's a T'soni family tradition?

Hmm..perhaps. Forgot about Benezia

Maybe they are drawn on? She looks like she at least wears eyeliner, so maybe she adds eyebrows too. It is very unique though.

[Mox Ruuga]

Thievius Sisko wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Didn't the devs tell us they were set in their plans for the ME1 LIs, and knew that "some" of us would "disagree", but that we would be acceptable losses from the fandom?

Wow. Did they really say that? Honestly, if they screw up the Liara romance they will be crushing my heart...

I might be paraphrasing, but I think the gist is there. They originally just wanted us to wait and see, but then started closing down the ME1 LI threads becuase it didn't quiet people down. Looks like we were right in the end, to not trust Bioware's handling of Liara, Ash, and Kaidan.

I think the actual quote was that they are already prepared for some of us disagreeing with their decisions. The "acceptable losses" bit might have been said at some different point, but I'm fairly sure it was related to people wanting to continue their ME1 romances.

[Mox Ruuga]

seyera wrote...


Maybe they are drawn on? She looks like she at least wears eyeliner, so maybe she adds eyebrows too. It is very unique though.

Almost certainly drawn.

Other asari wear the face paint, and some have the white lip gloss. Some have kinda-sorta eyebrows, a small cluster of circles or dots above their eyes. I'm betting that's just cosmetics as well, tho they could be "asari freckles" or something.

Perhaps they were originally afraid that people would find her "off" looking if she had no eyebrows? Not a big deal in the end. Shiala, Sha'ira, Aria, the Ilium bartender, Samara, Morinth, etc. no eyebrows and quite attractive.

[DigitalMaster37]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Thievius Sisko wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Didn't the devs tell us they were set in their plans for the ME1 LIs, and knew that "some" of us would "disagree", but that we would be acceptable losses from the fandom?

Wow. Did they really say that? Honestly, if they screw up the Liara romance they will be crushing my heart...

I might be paraphrasing, but I think the gist is there. They originally just wanted us to wait and see, but then started closing down the ME1 LI threads becuase it didn't quiet people down. Looks like we were right in the end, to not trust Bioware's handling of Liara, Ash, and Kaidan.

I think the actual quote was that they are already prepared for some of us disagreeing with their decisions. The "acceptable losses" bit might have been said at some different point, but I'm fairly sure it was related to people wanting to continue their ME1 romances.

No actually its the other way around. Casey himself said the LI and in particular the Liara relationship will climax in ME3. Also other devs have echoed those sentiments. Don't worry guys and gals, we'll get our lovely blueberry muffin back.

[Srslydude01]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

No actually its the other way around. Casey himself said the LI and in particular the Liara relationship will climax in ME3. Also other devs have echoed those sentiments. Don't worry guys and gals, we'll get our lovely blueberry muffin back.

Really?! That's too good to be true!

[DigitalMaster37]

Srslydude01 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

No actually its the other way around. Casey himself said the LI and in particular the Liara relationship will climax in ME3. Also other devs have echoed those sentiments. Don't worry guys and gals, we'll get our lovely blueberry muffin back.

Really?! That's too good to be true!

when I wake up tomorrow, I plan to put together a quote list with links about what the devs have said about ME1 LIs. So I'll prove it hopefully tomorrow.

[Mox Ruuga]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

No actually its the other way around. Casey himself said the LI and in particular the Liara relationship will climax in ME3. Also other devs have echoed those sentiments. Don't worry guys and gals, we'll get our lovely blueberry muffin back.

Casey says a lot of things. Climax could mean a lot of things, not all of them good. I don't trust him, no offense (should he read this). Was he the one who said the ME1 LIs have an important role in ME2?

Eh, I don't want to be the Eeyore here. But I would caution against trusting Bioware until we see some concrete proof that they have stopped wrecking Liara's character. The comic won't give us that. The possible DLC might. 

[Thievius Sisko]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

No actually its the other way around. Casey himself said the LI and in particular the Liara relationship will climax in ME3. Also other devs have echoed those sentiments. Don't worry guys and gals, we'll get our lovely blueberry muffin back.

Yay!!! Perhaps I should bake some blueberry muffins tomorrow, to compensate for the lack of Liara in the meantime

Modifié par Thievius Sisko, 08 février 2010 - 06:46 .

[maikanix]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Thievius Sisko wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Didn't the devs tell us they were set in their plans for the ME1 LIs, and knew that "some" of us would "disagree", but that we would be acceptable losses from the fandom?

Wow. Did they really say that? Honestly, if they screw up the Liara romance they will be crushing my heart...

I might be paraphrasing, but I think the gist is there. They originally just wanted us to wait and see, but then started closing down the ME1 LI threads becuase it didn't quiet people down. Looks like we were right in the end, to not trust Bioware's handling of Liara, Ash, and Kaidan.

I think the actual quote was that they are already prepared for some of us disagreeing with their decisions. The "acceptable losses" bit might have been said at some different point, but I'm fairly sure it was related to people wanting to continue their ME1 romances.

I dunno. I might hate bioware if they failed to allow me to continue with Liara. I mean, it might make sense with Kaiden and Ashley. Doesn't Kaiden find someone else? And Ashley hates Cerberus. They both do. But Liara saved you from the collectors. Is fighting the shadow broker for you. She's loves, (or adores, if not romanced) you. :\\ Makes no sense to me. Plus the whole picture on the desk scene. That HAS to lead to something, or I'll be devastated. :\\ The other two ME1 romances seem like they would drop you. Liara doesn't seem like she would.

So. I'm thinking it just applies to the human romances...I hope. Pray.
Or maybe they meant for ME2? And we might disagree that we don't get to have Liara for this game? *shrug* I'm not sure when the dev said what he said.

I don't really want to see a Liara DLC unless it delves into the romance part of the story. You know, actually HAS an acknowledgement of the romance besides a long kiss. But it would be a DLC that only appeals to a part of the fanbase..which would be strange for them to put in.

I really don't want a game that's just "sleep with a different alien every time." I'd like an extended romance plot. There haven't been very many good ones in recent games, and it's disappointing. Hence I'm really looking forward to a long romance story with Liara...

*sigh* Please don't screw it up Bioware. I don't care how much better at writing stories you think you are.

[Srslydude01]

I am quite eager to take a look at that.

[Corti78]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

No actually its the other way around. Casey himself said the LI and in particular the Liara relationship will climax in ME3. Also other devs have echoed those sentiments. Don't worry guys and gals, we'll get our lovely blueberry muffin back.

Casey says a lot of things. Climax could mean a lot of things, not all of them good. I don't trust him, no offense (should he read this). Was he the one who said the ME1 LIs have an important role in ME2?

Eh, I don't want to be the Eeyore here. But I would caution against trusting Bioware until we see some concrete proof that they have stopped wrecking Liara's character. The comic won't give us that. The possible DLC might. 

I don't think it was Casey that said the ME1 LI would be important in ME2 specifically (someone correct me if I'm wrong). In the interviews I recall with him he stresses their importance across the entire trilogy and often said their roles would be important in ME3.

There are so many interviews with different BW employees though its hard to keep up with who said what exactly.

Modifié par Corti78, 08 février 2010 - 06:51 .

[maikanix]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

No actually its the other way around. Casey himself said the LI and in particular the Liara relationship will climax in ME3. Also other devs have echoed those sentiments. Don't worry guys and gals, we'll get our lovely blueberry muffin back.

oh thank god. 

Modifié par maikanix, 08 février 2010 - 06:49 .

[seyera]

Am I the only one who really hopes her major story (and romance) are saved for ME3? Honestly, I wouldn't mind if the DLC is just a quest from her or something like that because at least we get to communicate with her more. A touch of romance would be above and beyond anything I am hoping for in DLC.

[Vayrand]

seyera wrote...

Am I the only one who really hopes her major story (and romance) are saved for ME3? Honestly, I wouldn't mind if the DLC is just a quest from her or something like that because at least we get to communicate with her more. A touch of romance would be above and beyond anything I am hoping for in DLC.

You're not the only one, there a lot of other Liara fans here (including myself) who have high hopes that the DLC or ME3 will clear things up and there will be at least some recognition that Shepard is the love of her life.

Modifié par Vayrand, 08 février 2010 - 07:07 .

[Nastrod]

Man I want some Liara DLC. She was always in my party in ME1 no matter the class I was even though she was like over powered. It was funny just walking around the room shooting all the people she had floating around.

[Driveninhifi]

The LIs from ME1 were handled incredibly clumsily. It feels like they were just trying to drive players to the new love interests. It felt extremely contrived to me.



Liara really suffered from being underdeveloped - there needed to be a whole lot more interaction with her, more dialogue exploring her internal conflict. Especially in the case where she and Shepard were lovers, it makes no sense for it to end how it does in ME2. You have to figure she's been waiting, hoping, fearing Shepard's return for two years. And she lets Shepard walk away to possibly die again without saying anything? That's just willfully withholding info from the player and keeping them in the dark; it's not natural storytelling at all.

All the characters talk about getting closure before the mission - but Shepard can't have closure with his/her original love interests! That's horribly inconsistent.



Also, I think that if there is any Liara DLC the relationship really has to come up for it to feel natural. You would think that if Shepard loves her, he/she would immediately come back to help her. It only makes sense for Liara to want that, as well. Why wouldn't they try to figure out where their relationship is at, especially since she told Shepard she did everything because she couldn't let him/her go?

There's really a lot of interesting places to take this. She could desperately want to be with Shepard. However, say Feron sacrificed himself so she could escape and resurrect Shepard. Can she live with herself ignoring that sacrifice even if it means she's reunited with the person she loves? Will she be haunted by that guilt even though she is overjoyed to be back with Shepard? The game really suffers from the player not being able to explore these conflicts that have to be churning inside her.

And for the future: does Shepard convince her to go after the Shadow Broker for revenge, and lead her down that path (renegade Shepard and renegade Liara running around the galaxy is an interesting thought). Or does Shepard convince her to stop the Shadow Broker for the good of the galaxy and in her friend's memory. Not out of anger, but out of justice and duty?

[Driveninhifi]

Vayrand wrote...

You're not the only one, there a lot of other Liara fans here (including myself) who have high hopes that the DLC or ME3 will clear things up and there will be at least some recognition that Shepard is the love of her life.

Based on how it's portrayed in ME1, Shepard IS the love of her life. And there's really nothing in ME2 to indicate that isn't the case. We don't really know her relationship with Feron. Two comics in, there really is no indication of any romance (she really doesn't even like him) so I think it would feel incredibly false to force one in the remaining two issues. She could easily be moved by a sacrifice he makes (say he sacrifices himself so she can escape with Shepard) - though I don't feel like he (or anyone else she can meet in the timeframe) would be enough to explain her current behavior. it all has to hinge on Shepard to make any sense, really.

Which makes things kind of fall apart once Shepard comes back to her, but that's why they needed to develop her character and the conversation further. Really, the problem is that they didn't want the ME1 romances to be squad members but didn't give really compelling reasons they cannot be. Even a line from Liara saying "If the Shadow Broker escapes I won't be able to live with myself - so I'm begging you to come back to me alive," would have gone a long way towards making it more believable.
And the human love interests have no good reason not to come. Yeah, they hate Cerberus, but they also just saw big scary aliens wipe out a colony without any trouble. It's not very believable they wouldn't trust Shepard enough to at least do some research and see that, oh wait, these Collectors ARE actually trying to wipe out the human race.

[seyera]

Driveninhifi wrote...

And the human love interests have no good reason not to come. Yeah, they hate Cerberus, but they also just saw big scary aliens wipe out a colony without any trouble. It's not very believable they wouldn't trust Shepard enough to at least do some research and see that, oh wait, these Collectors ARE actually trying to wipe out the human race.

Exactly! People claim Liara's reasons were fabricated, how more abstract can Ash/Kaiden's reasons be? They just got attacked by Collectors, saw them first hand, and survived thanks to Shepard. But no. They don't believe its a threat at all. I was like... really? Thanks guys. At least I got the impression Liara was really doing something and needed to focus on it. She was having heated business meetings, being spied on, and dealing with the Shadow Broker. I'll let her pass on my suicidal mission this time. Especially after I found out she saved me.

Modifié par seyera, 08 février 2010 - 07:30 .