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[Deamon023]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Deamon023 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I agree, it feels like BW forgot to reference the relationship with any other characters then at the last minute when they remembered they just said, "Oh Well, I'm sure nobody will notice".
It is extremely strange that they would not immediatly correct this since they could have easily added it in a DLC pack that came out in the first day of release.
It would be worth the wait if they are planning to release a 10+ hour Liara DLC.

Maybe the DLC is about Liara beeing kidnapped by the Shadow Broker to get to Shepard and sell him to the reapers.


It could also be a reason that she is a bit distand when Shepard is in her office, she knows the Shadow Broker is watching her so maybe she tries to protect Shepard. 

Now that would be epic. As strong as Liara is, everyone needs rescuing every now and again. This would be my candidate for DLC story wise. I mean the SB is too strong for one person to take down...except for Sheperd. THIS WOULD OWN!

If the SB does anything to hurt my Liara I am so going to tell Grunt to eat his face.

There is no place in the galaxy to hide from my Shep if they touch Liara, He will hunt them all down.

[jlb524]

speedy111280 wrote...

I can't help but compare Liara to Gabrielle. There are some very similar character traits between the two, especially the moments where they are unintentionally funny (i.e. Liara trying to admit her interest and drugged Gabrielle). I see so many similarities that I can't help but think Bioware is setting her up to be the second "hero". Going through what she does to get Shepard's body back, helping kill her own mother, figuring out that they need to go to Ilos and wanting to take down the Shadow Broker are all pretty big story elements. Everyone else's issues/plots are secondary and unrelated to Shepard. Seriously, for me it's like Shep is Xena and Liara is Gabrielle.

Hmmm...maybe this is why I  Liara so much.  I've had a crush on Gabrielle since...forever.

And my Shepard is totally Xena....without the cool leather outfit

[Unit-Alpha]

Driveninhifi wrote...

The LIs from ME1 were handled incredibly clumsily. It feels like they were just trying to drive players to the new love interests. It felt extremely contrived to me.

Liara really suffered from being underdeveloped - there needed to be a whole lot more interaction with her, more dialogue exploring her internal conflict. Especially in the case where she and Shepard were lovers, it makes no sense for it to end how it does in ME2. You have to figure she's been waiting, hoping, fearing Shepard's return for two years. And she lets Shepard walk away to possibly die again without saying anything? That's just willfully withholding info from the player and keeping them in the dark; it's not natural storytelling at all.
All the characters talk about getting closure before the mission - but Shepard can't have closure with his/her original love interests! That's horribly inconsistent.

Also, I think that if there is any Liara DLC the relationship really has to come up for it to feel natural. You would think that if Shepard loves her, he/she would immediately come back to help her. It only makes sense for Liara to want that, as well. Why wouldn't they try to figure out where their relationship is at, especially since she told Shepard she did everything because she couldn't let him/her go?
There's really a lot of interesting places to take this. She could desperately want to be with Shepard. However, say Feron sacrificed himself so she could escape and resurrect Shepard. Can she live with herself ignoring that sacrifice even if it means she's reunited with the person she loves? Will she be haunted by that guilt even though she is overjoyed to be back with Shepard? The game really suffers from the player not being able to explore these conflicts that have to be churning inside her.
And for the future: does Shepard convince her to go after the Shadow Broker for revenge, and lead her down that path (renegade Shepard and renegade Liara running around the galaxy is an interesting thought). Or does Shepard convince her to stop the Shadow Broker for the good of the galaxy and in her friend's memory. Not out of anger, but out of justice and duty?

Liara really is undeveloped. There is an INCREDIBLE amount of story and information you could still put into her plotline. She's over 100 so she's bound to have experienced more than Ash or Miranda even in their roles as leading female characters.

[jlb524]

General Stubbs wrote...

I played with Liara in my squad so much that I had to do six different playthroughs to get all of the squadmate achievements.

Haa!  Me too! I felt like such a dolt.  It's totally illogical!!

Random Liara pic.

[Mox Ruuga]

jlb524 wrote...

Haa!  Me too! I felt like such a dolt.  It's totally illogical!!

Random Liara pic.

Pretty!

Liara has always been one of the more expressive characters in ME.

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I played with Liara in my squad so much that I had to do six different playthroughs to get all of the squadmate achievements.

Haa!  Me too! I felt like such a dolt.  It's totally illogical!!

LOL.... me three!  And I think that pic might be my all-time favorite.*



* that doesn't include blue butts, pink mist,  and/or making out.

[Unit-Alpha]

Haha, I could never play without Liara in my squad either in ME1. That's probably the reason I never got all the squad achievements.

[Deamon023]

She's a bit purple here, but still cute

[jamskinner]

I don't know if this has been posted here before. I posted it already in the liara dlc thread.
http://comics.ign.co.../1005868p1.html

IGN Comics: We know that Bioware is going to be releasing some more
downloadable content for the first Mass Effect that sort of bridges the
gap between that game and the sequel. Is this comic connected in any way
to those stories?

Walters: Actually, our goal right now is to have the story tie to
some of the downloadable content for Mass Effect 2.
That will probably be coming later next year. I don;t think we have
specific dates yet. It's meant to be standalone in the sense that it
explores something we don't necessarily see in the game, but it is
connected to the game, and in the downloadable content we hope to follow
through on some of the events in the comic.

GN Comics: Where does this story actually fall in relation to the two
games? Is it set in between the two?

Walters: It's shortly after the opening events of Mass
Effect 2. I can't get into a lot of details on where that is
specifically, but I think people will recognize it when they see it.

Modifié par jamskinner, 08 février 2010 - 06:06 .

[Nastrod]

AS long as she does not fully become cold and heartless like how she is becoming right now and yes I know she says she is putting on a act so just as long as it does not fully change her. If that happens even if she was on the Normandy I would not be able to talk to her because I would hate it so much everytime we talk thinking about the sweet Liara that stumbled over her words to becoming a dark killer.



So Bioware fine let her do her butt whooping on the SB but let the sweet Liara come back.

[Deamon023]

Aww

[DigitalMaster37]

jamskinner wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted here before. I posted it already in the liara dlc thread.
http://comics.ign.co.../1005868p1.html

IGN Comics: We know that Bioware is going to be releasing some more
downloadable content for the first Mass Effect that sort of bridges the
gap between that game and the sequel. Is this comic connected in any way
to those stories?

Walters: Actually, our goal right now is to have the story tie to
some of the downloadable content for Mass Effect 2.
That will probably be coming later next year. I don;t think we have
specific dates yet. It's meant to be standalone in the sense that it
explores something we don't necessarily see in the game, but it is
connected to the game, and in the downloadable content we hope to follow
through on some of the events in the comic.

Yeah I knew I seen that somewhere. So much goodness in those quotes.

GN Comics: Where does this story actually fall in relation to the two
games? Is it set in between the two?

Walters: It's shortly after the opening events of Mass
Effect 2. I can't get into a lot of details on where that is
specifically, but I think people will recognize it when they see it.

[jlb524]

I've seen that interview with Walters before, but thx for reposting it again jamskinner! It's a noble goal they have, to bring us DLC to bridge the game and the comic...hopefully they'll follow through with it.



"Later next year" would mean later this year (I think that interview was in 2009).

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

I've seen that interview with Walters before, but thx for reposting it again jamskinner! It's a noble goal they have, to bring us DLC to bridge the game and the comic...hopefully they'll follow through with it.

"Later next year" would mean later this year (I think that interview was in 2009).

Yup, it was in 2009, so we'll hopefully see it later [/i]this[/i] year.

[Championette]

That's too bad - I was really hoping it would bridge ME2 and 3. If it is concurrent then that probably means it will occur before Shep wakes up - which means no dialogue about their relationship.



I was really hoping the dlc would be 'go after SB' :-)

[jlb524]

Championette wrote...

That's too bad - I was really hoping it would bridge ME2 and 3. If it is concurrent then that probably means it will occur before Shep wakes up - which means no dialogue about their relationship.

I was really hoping the dlc would be 'go after SB' :-)

The DLC would have to have Shepard as the main playable character, so I'm a little confused by the Walters statement.  If it happens when Shepard is 'dead', it would be just a rehash of the events that happen in the comic and Shepard would not be the main playable character, obviously.  Perhaps Walters misspoke on the timeline?

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Championette wrote...

That's too bad - I was really hoping it would bridge ME2 and 3. If it is concurrent then that probably means it will occur before Shep wakes up - which means no dialogue about their relationship.

I was really hoping the dlc would be 'go after SB' :-)

The DLC would have to have Shepard as the main playable character, so I'm a little confused by the Walters statement.  If it happens when Shepard is 'dead', it would be just a rehash of the events that happen in the comic and Shepard would not be the main playable character, obviously.  Perhaps Walters misspoke on the timeline?

I thought he was speaking on the timeline of the comic, not the dlc.

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Championette wrote...

That's too bad - I was really hoping it would bridge ME2 and 3. If it is concurrent then that probably means it will occur before Shep wakes up - which means no dialogue about their relationship.

I was really hoping the dlc would be 'go after SB' :-)

The DLC would have to have Shepard as the main playable character, so I'm a little confused by the Walters statement.  If it happens when Shepard is 'dead', it would be just a rehash of the events that happen in the comic and Shepard would not be the main playable character, obviously.  Perhaps Walters misspoke on the timeline?

I thought he was speaking on the timeline of the comic, not the dlc.

Yes, you're right.    Oops! 

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

Championette wrote...

That's too bad - I was really hoping it would bridge ME2 and 3. If it is concurrent then that probably means it will occur before Shep wakes up - which means no dialogue about their relationship.

I was really hoping the dlc would be 'go after SB' :-)

The DLC would have to have Shepard as the main playable character, so I'm a little confused by the Walters statement.  If it happens when Shepard is 'dead', it would be just a rehash of the events that happen in the comic and Shepard would not be the main playable character, obviously.  Perhaps Walters misspoke on the timeline?

I'm assumiung what he means is that it 'relates' to the coimic book and the events of it, not necessarily the time it took place. I'm assuming it just involves Sheperd helping Liara out.


EDIT: that's what I get for not reading all the way down to the last post. Obviously this has been responded to already, hehe. Well at least it adds one more post to this absolutely awesome thread. KUDOS on passing 1000 posts btw.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 08 février 2010 - 06:43 .

[jlb524]

More Liara pics!







She's sad and guilt-ridden over giving Shepard's body to Cerberus. Shepard is just sitting there like a doofus. Dang it Shepard!!

[Mox Ruuga]

jlb524 wrote...


The DLC would have to have Shepard as the main playable character, so I'm a little confused by the Walters statement.  If it happens when Shepard is 'dead', it would be just a rehash of the events that happen in the comic and Shepard would not be the main playable character, obviously.  Perhaps Walters misspoke on the timeline?

Conventional wisdom would have that, yes, Shepard needs to be the main character.

But there is precedent, given the Joker scenes during the Collector boarding action.

I don't believe it will happen, but it isn't completely impossible for them to have a major flashback where you control Liara be the heart of that DLC. This could, if done well, be the answer to our prayers. Assuming it's not just Liara kicking ass with biotics, but giving us the chance to decide how she feels about Shepard.

And if it was well received, hey, they've just solved one of their issues with ME3: how to handle popular squaddies from ME2, who might have died during the suicide mission.

But it might be too bold a move for Bioware. We'll see.

[Championette]

I would have given anything to have my femshep reach out to her then. >sigh<

[jlb524]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

I don't believe it will happen, but it isn't completely impossible for them to have a major flashback where you control Liara be the heart of that DLC. This could, if done well, be the answer to our prayers. Assuming it's not just Liara kicking ass with biotics, but giving us the chance to decide how she feels about Shepard.

And if it was well received, hey, they've just solved one of their issues with ME3: how to handle popular squaddies from ME2, who might have died during the suicide mission.

But it might be too bold a move for Bioware. We'll see.

They only problem with having Liara as the main-playable character is that not everyone likes the biotics combat style.  Most just like to shoot stuff (which is why the Soldier class is the most popular).  People would complain if they were forced into using singularities and throwing people around instead of just shooting them.

[Mox Ruuga]

jlb524 wrote...

They only problem with having Liara as the main-playable character is that not everyone likes the biotics combat style.  Most just like to shoot stuff (which is why the Soldier class is the most popular).  People would complain if they were forced into using singularities and throwing people around instead of just shooting them.

Yes, that is one problem.

There would also be howls from fans of Wrex, Ash, and Kaidan. And those who just didn't like Liara in the first place.

It would be an unconventional DLC, to be sure. But the completely combat free Normandy Crash Site DLC proves that the devs don't automatically associate new and optional content with pew-pew and new loot options.

Still, I don't think my scenario will happen. It will be just some mission Liara sends us to do. Probably to extract the desert lizard "friend" she cares so much about. Who will then stay by her side, as her new "assistant", while poor Shepard, unwanted and unloved, goes to risk his/her neck against the Collectors and their masters.