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[Taritu]

juxtaposedjoker wrote...

Liara is a wonderfully complex character who should have a prominent roll in ME3. It is a shame so many people missed her dialog option in ME2, where you get to see her vulnerability and now no longer like her. I welcomed the change though was first puzzled by it but once you get her back story it makes sense.

Her love/unrequited love for Shepard is the best part. It doesn't matter whether she was Shepards love interest or not. She still saves Shepard none the less. Where was Tali? Wrex? Ashley? Kaiden? Garrus? They were all perusing their personal goals. It was Liara who didn't give up on Shepard in the same way Shepard never gives up against overwhelming odds. They compliment each other as lovers or friends and this enriches the plot. She wasn't even a prominent character in ME2 yet forums on several sites abound with threads about the small part she had. That's powerful.

ME3 needs Liara and the complexity her character would bring to the plot.

Yes, that's a point people seem to miss. Liara loves Shepard whether Shepard loves her or not.

[juxtaposedjoker]

speedy111280 wrote...

juxtaposedjoker wrote...
Her love/unrequited love for Shepard is the best part. It doesn't matter whether she was Shepards love interest or not. She still saves Shepard none the less. Where was Tali? Wrex? Ashley? Kaiden? Garrus? They were all perusing their personal goals. It was Liara who didn't give up on Shepard in the same way Shepard never gives up against overwhelming odds. They compliment each other as lovers or friends and this enriches the plot. She wasn't even a prominent character in ME2 yet forums on several sites abound with threads about the small part she had. That's powerful.

ME3 needs Liara and the complexity her character would bring to the plot.

I 'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that even if she wasn't Shepard's LI in ME1 that Liara is in love with Shepard anyway.  And I completely agree that Liara is the only one who doesn't give up on Shepard. All the other squad members go their own way and get on with their lives (though Ash/Kaidan not as much as the others if they were Shepard's LI) but Liara goes way above and beyond the call of duty for a chance that Shepard might come back.

Exactly!!  Who knows what the comic will tell us but even if the friend that got killed on Liara's mission was a love interest for her, I still think a part of her loves Shepard.  How worried she got that Shepard would hate her makes me think that there is something there even if the two years of seperation quelled the initial fire.  All embers can be ignited and I hope they are in ME3.  Though, as long as Liara is a strong character in ME3 I'll be happy the romance is just icing on the cake.

[jentendo64]

I loved Liara from the first game the most. She was the one I romanced as a Male Shepherd. One of the saddest parts of the game was seeing Liara change into a hardened ice queen. I really hope her sweet nature returns in ME3.



I also really want Kaiden as a LI for my Female Shepherd return as a squadmate in ME3.

[EhNam13]

Worst Character in the Game..She had no soul....She acted like she was 12....And her voice makes me cringe.

She is little better in ME2 but not enough....

She was fake in ME1 and started to show her true self in ME2 but I still Loath her.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Alexandus wrote...

Wasn't overly attracted to Liara during ME1, compared to Ashley.

Gotta say, the new and improved renegade Liara seemed at least three times as hot to me.

Dr. T'Soni is not a renegade. She has simply matured. She was a rather innocent youth in the first game, and as an antiquarian, she had little chance to discover how harsh life can be. Her experiences with Shepard hardened her, but they did not change her essential character.

Dr. T'Soni is trying to do the right thing. She is playing wheels within wheels, which is expected of someone with her native intelligence and erudition, but don't let that fool you. She is still an essentially gentle person who realizes that it's necessary to have steel in order to do certain things.

Paragon Shepard isn't exactly a softie, you know.

At any rate, though I loved the development of the good doctor and though I think she looks even prettier than she did in the last game, I was disappointed I couldn't recruit her. Yes, we knew that for a while--but still. However, I think it's inescapable that she'll be a party member in ME3: if the ante is really being upped to a full war, I think she will drop everything to help Shepard.

I just finished the game and I stayed loyal, and I know that will pay its dividends.

[seyera]

EhNam13 wrote...

Worst Character in the Game..She had no soul....She acted like she was 12....And her voice makes me cringe.
She is little better in ME2 but not enough....
She was fake in ME1 and started to show her true self in ME2 but I still Loath her.

Because risking her life to save Shepard is souless... I guess you prefer Ashley, the woman who hates all alien life. Even if Liara did act young, its appropriate for her age as an Asari. She has matured greatly in the last two years. At least she doesn't refuse to talk to you because you present evidence in a trial to defend her, or because you are trying to save the universe with the only organization that believes you.

[Mox Ruuga]

arolas6622 wrote...

(pointless rambling about the suicide squad)

even tho this has nothing to do with the thread lol

Indeed it has not.

And Tali can't return, because she's dead.

EDIT

And let's not turn this into an Ash vs. Liara thread. Counterproductive, that.

Modifié par Mox Ruuga, 03 février 2010 - 09:10 .

[arolas6622]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

arolas6622 wrote...

(pointless rambling about the suicide squad)

even tho this has nothing to do with the thread lol

Indeed it has not.

And Tali can't return, because she's dead.

maybe liara is dead? maybe i poisoned her and made her into an artifact?

[speedy111280]

juxtaposedjoker wrote...
Exactly!!  Who knows what the comic will tell us but even if the friend that got killed on Liara's mission was a love interest for her, I still think a part of her loves Shepard.  How worried she got that Shepard would hate her makes me think that there is something there even if the two years of seperation quelled the initial fire.  All embers can be ignited and I hope they are in ME3.  Though, as long as Liara is a strong character in ME3 I'll be happy the romance is just icing on the cake.

I don't really think they'll make Feron a romantic entanglement for Liara, they've written Liara to be crazy in love with Shepard and the comic takes place too close to the destruction of the Normandy and Shepard's death for Liara to get involved with someone else. Remember this is the woman who was a virgin until the night before Ilos if you romanced her or is still one at the end of the game if you didn't. I don't see Feron becoming important enough to Liara for that to be an issue. I think it will turn out that Liara trusted someone that in hindsight she shouldn't have during her quest to get Shepard's body back and it get's her and Feron in a mess,  Liara barely escapes alive and Feron is captured or killed so she feels incredibly guilty for the getting the person helping her on her obsessive quest into that position. Plus I don't think Redemption is going to cover a long time frame, Jacob even says that Shepard spent most of those 2 years on that table in Project Lazarus.

I believe that Liara is truly just afraid Shepard would hate her for turning him/her over to Cerberus because they made Cerberus out to be the bad guy everytime you ran into them in ME1. Even renegade Shepard's didn't have much love for Cerberus. And if Shepard happens to be a sole survivore isn't even worse because they are also the reason almost all of Shepard's squad died on Akuze.

[seyera]

I don't think they would give her another romance either. Precisely because she was the only one outside of Cerberus that knew Shepard was still alive. As your LI, I think she would still have hope when you came back that you could work things out. I don't she her jumping into another relationship knowing this. She is just in an extremely bad situation right now because of what she did. One Shepard is probably going to have to help her with in ME3.

[speedy111280]

Taritu wrote...
Yes, that's a point people seem to miss. Liara loves Shepard whether Shepard loves her or not.

I'm surprised that people miss that part in her little explanation because that seems so obvious to me. It's such a wonderful expression of love if you didn't romance her  (it's pretty awesome if you did as well) because she knew that if Shepard came back he/she would be with Ash/Kaidan. It made me want to have the opportunity for all my Shepard's to get rid of their non-Liara LI's in ME3 to be with her.

[Emperor Iaius I]

It's easy to miss, actually--the dialogue string disappears and you can't ask her again. I had to reload a save to even access it, and I only did that because I wanted to see all the dialogue paths.



I suppose I'll adopt this icon too, as a show of support.

[juxtaposedjoker]

Speedy,



Thank you for added insight into the comic. I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive in the mail so I'm not up to snuff yet. You've convinced me. I just hope the developers see it your way as well.





Seyera,



*nods nods* I concede to both your and speedy's points. I really can't wait to find out just how bad her situation is and hope that it gets resolved in ME3 and not say another comic.

[speedy111280]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

It's easy to miss, actually--the dialogue string disappears and you can't ask her again. I had to reload a save to even access it, and I only did that because I wanted to see all the dialogue paths.

I suppose I'll adopt this icon too, as a show of support.

I'd like to know if Bioware made that dialogue so hard to get on purpose or if it's a bug. I want to think it's a bug but since Casey Hudson said in a couple of interviews that they were interested to see how many stayed true to their ME1 LI it makes me wonder if they really did do it on purpose.

[DBHolm]

Liara is easily my favorite character from ME1. I would love for her to return.

[seyera]

Juxtaposedjoker you could still be right! It would definitely twist things up if she really does have another LI. Its still a valid theory (I'd just prefer it to be false lol)

Modifié par seyera, 03 février 2010 - 09:29 .

[Corti78]

seyera wrote...

Juxtaposedjoker you could still be right! It would definitely twist things up if she really does have another LI. Its still a valid theory (I'd just prefer it to be false lol)

I think a lot of Liara fans would prefer it to be false. Though to tell the truth part of me is interested in seeing what would happen if that was the case. Then again the other part of me would equally dread if it was indeed true.

Modifié par Corti78, 03 février 2010 - 09:36 .

[MC_Ogre]

Agreed, I really enjoyed this game, and am still playing it, but I felt a little let down at the way the ME1 love interests responded. I would have found it gratifying if, maybe only after the primary mission as a reward, a way to get together with your ME1 interest existed. Also, a little more guidance/follow through on the romances would have been nice. This time around it felt like you get a bunch of options, but none are as deep. In particular the way the Kelly romance sort of abruptly dead ends and is soft-extended through a non verbal email struck me as jarring and dissapointing. Still, yay ME2, and will preorder ME3.

Main point though, yes to liara in ME3!

[EhNam13]

seyera wrote...

EhNam13 wrote...

Worst Character in the Game..She had no soul....She acted like she was 12....And her voice makes me cringe.
She is little better in ME2 but not enough....
She was fake in ME1 and started to show her true self in ME2 but I still Loath her.

Because risking her life to save Shepard is souless... I guess you prefer Ashley, the woman who hates all alien life. Even if Liara did act young, its appropriate for her age as an Asari. She has matured greatly in the last two years. At least she doesn't refuse to talk to you because you present evidence in a trial to defend her, or because you are trying to save the universe with the only organization that believes you.

Liara has no clue who she is and in ME1 she she is like the Princess from Coming to America....I like whatever U like...Bark Like a Dog and hop on one leg....she is boring.
In ME2 she is still confused and really mest up, as far as Her saving SHEP I never had that Conversation with her so it did not happen.

[Edje Edgar]

Proud to stay true to blue!

[Mox Ruuga]

arolas6622 wrote...

maybe liara is dead? maybe i poisoned her and made her into an artifact?

Maybe this is the right day to stop sniffing glue?

Think about it.

[seyera]

MC_Ogre wrote...

Agreed, I really enjoyed this game, and am still playing it, but I felt a little let down at the way the ME1 love interests responded. I would have found it gratifying if, maybe only after the primary mission as a reward, a way to get together with your ME1 interest existed. Also, a little more guidance/follow through on the romances would have been nice. This time around it felt like you get a bunch of options, but none are as deep. In particular the way the Kelly romance sort of abruptly dead ends and is soft-extended through a non verbal email struck me as jarring and dissapointing. Still, yay ME2, and will preorder ME3.

Main point though, yes to liara in ME3!

I agree! It would have been nice if we got a little more than the picture sequence. A new conversation after the mission or something. Although by making her dialouge so obscure I really think BioWare was trying to do something. I agree with the above who said the thing about the LI consquences spilling over to ME3. Without that simple explanation, Liara can be perceived very harshly and tempt someone to "cheat".

[juxtaposedjoker]

I wouldn't really mind if there was another LI for Liara as long as it is resolved before ME3 lol. This would mean the Liara cheaters get less drama since it would be the pot calling the kettle black.



I will say this. Another LI for Liara would make her character stronger. The reasons for her to not have one are strong...stronger even but they point to the hopeless romantic virgin cliche. I think that if Liara is a LI in ME3 the romance would be more compelling if Liara had a previous LI since she got to test the waters so to speak. She would have a point of comparison instead of attached virgin stigma. Frankly, she reminds me of Gabrielle from Xena Warrior Princess (oh yes the dorkiness in this poster is strong) who didn't get really interesting until crap/other loves happened to her but those other events didn't ultimately dissuade her from her true love.



I will say to have Shepard be her only LI until the end of the trilogy wouldn't disappoint me at all I just think another point of reference in the romantic department would add to her character overall.



In the end, as long as the plot is heavy on Liara....I has a happy.

[Emperor Iaius I]

If she believed Cerberus and went through all that effort to find Shepard, would she just casually jump into another relationship if she was involved with Shepard? It makes little sense.

[Mox Ruuga]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

If she believed Cerberus and went through all that effort to find Shepard, would she just casually jump into another relationship if she was involved with Shepard? It makes little sense.

Agreed. But the comic doesn't really handle Liara all that well. I wouldn't be surprised if the writer contrives Liara to have a fling with the vile desert lizard.