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[speedy111280]

Nozybidaj wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

Eh, I only mentioned her because I want to see Liara teach her a lesson about hitting on Shepard.

Uh, such naughty thoughts, naughty thoughts.

Maybe, but it is a nice thought. Liara taking out one of her mother's followers (who should know not to mess with a T'Soni) over Shepard. It would turn into an all out biotic cat fight, I'd pay money to see that. It would certainly beat that wimpy fight between Jack and Miranda. Of course, we all know our favorite blue lady would wipe the floor with Shiala.

[jbauck]

speedy111280 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

Eh, I only mentioned her because I want to see Liara teach her a lesson about hitting on Shepard.

Uh, such naughty thoughts, naughty thoughts.

Maybe, but it is a nice thought. Liara taking out one of her mother's followers (who should know not to mess with a T'Soni) over Shepard. It would turn into an all out biotic cat fight, I'd pay money to see that. It would certainly beat that wimpy fight between Jack and Miranda. Of course, we all know our favorite blue lady would wipe the floor with Shiala.

Yeah, she would.  She DID.  I want Liara as an ME3 squad member because - romance aside - she was my favorite must-have squad-member in ME1.  Soldier!Shep, Tali, Liara was always my favorite squad combo, and by later games I'd drop Tali and rotate other people out because tech skills were good for ... opening boxes.  And on later runthroughs I Did Not Care.

Liara's "bonus power" in ME3 (assuming they keep the ME2 game system as-is, fingers-crossed) should be SmackDown.  Sort of like Miranda's Slam, except that it automatically works on any Asari who isn't Liara who gets too close to Shepard, without Liara even thinking about it.

Hey - it's the only way Shep is going to have some breathing room to save the universe.

[Deamon023]

speedy111280 wrote...

jbauck wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

Deamon023 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...



An important point to consider as well: Blue > Green

Yeah, if we help her, and see her again in ME3 I hope Shiala is back to her natural purplish color.  The sickly green just wasn't a good thing.

You sould be ashamed, talking about Shiala in the Liara thread

Eh, I only mentioned her because I want to see Liara teach her a lesson about hitting on Shepard.

LOL!  What I learned in ME2 is that Shepard is like Asari Catnip.  There's Shiala, the random dancing girl in the VIP section of Afterlife ("I DO wanna' think that!"), and then, of course, Morinth who volunteers for a suicide mission just because she might get the opportunity to Asari!Join Shep to Death.

Except, sadly, for Liara ... who's like "Oh, Shepard.  You're alive.  Meh.  Must Kill Shadow Broker!"  Which is why she must, must be a squadmate in ME3 (getting back on-topic here).  That SO needs fixin'.

Besides - if Liara doesn't join the squad and lay down some serious claim on Catnip Shep, Shep is going to be too busy running from screaming, crying hordes of Asari - a la the Beatles - to actually stop the Reapers in ME3.

Shepard's milkshake brings all the Asari to the yard. Shepard really does seem to the Asari catnip, although when you think about the Asari views on their reproduction and why they view purebloods as bad it makes sense. What better way to improve the Asari than to mate with the Hero of the Citadel?

Hmm... good point, he/she could always say he/she was triying to improve the Asari race. 
I couldn't, I would feel so guilty next time I would look into Liara's eyes. Guessing my Shep wouldn't mind that much.

[speedy111280]

jbauck wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

Eh, I only mentioned her because I want to see Liara teach her a lesson about hitting on Shepard.

Uh, such naughty thoughts, naughty thoughts.

Maybe, but it is a nice thought. Liara taking out one of her mother's followers (who should know not to mess with a T'Soni) over Shepard. It would turn into an all out biotic cat fight, I'd pay money to see that. It would certainly beat that wimpy fight between Jack and Miranda. Of course, we all know our favorite blue lady would wipe the floor with Shiala.

Yeah, she would.  She DID.  I want Liara as an ME3 squad member because - romance aside - she was my favorite must-have squad-member in ME1.  Soldier!Shep, Tali, Liara was always my favorite squad combo, and by later games I'd drop Tali and rotate other people out because tech skills were good for ... opening boxes.  And on later runthroughs I Did Not Care.

Liara's "bonus power" in ME3 (assuming they keep the ME2 game system as-is, fingers-crossed) should be SmackDown.  Sort of like Miranda's Slam, except that it automatically works on any Asari who isn't Liara who gets too close to Shepard, without Liara even thinking about it.

Hey - it's the only way Shep is going to have some breathing room to save the universe.

I would die laughing and love the Bioware devs forever if they made Liara's "bonus power" SmackDown. Especially if we get to see her use it on any Asari that might not think before hitting on the lover of one Dr. Liara T'Soni, Prothean Expert. Then maybe we'd get to see Liara put the SmackDown on the Consort (I love that scene where she gets snarky with the Consort over Shepard, jealous Liara FTW).

[speedy111280]

Deamon023 wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

jbauck wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

Deamon023 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...



An important point to consider as well: Blue > Green

Yeah, if we help her, and see her again in ME3 I hope Shiala is back to her natural purplish color.  The sickly green just wasn't a good thing.

You sould be ashamed, talking about Shiala in the Liara thread

Eh, I only mentioned her because I want to see Liara teach her a lesson about hitting on Shepard.

LOL!  What I learned in ME2 is that Shepard is like Asari Catnip.  There's Shiala, the random dancing girl in the VIP section of Afterlife ("I DO wanna' think that!"), and then, of course, Morinth who volunteers for a suicide mission just because she might get the opportunity to Asari!Join Shep to Death.

Except, sadly, for Liara ... who's like "Oh, Shepard.  You're alive.  Meh.  Must Kill Shadow Broker!"  Which is why she must, must be a squadmate in ME3 (getting back on-topic here).  That SO needs fixin'.

Besides - if Liara doesn't join the squad and lay down some serious claim on Catnip Shep, Shep is going to be too busy running from screaming, crying hordes of Asari - a la the Beatles - to actually stop the Reapers in ME3.

Shepard's milkshake brings all the Asari to the yard. Shepard really does seem to the Asari catnip, although when you think about the Asari views on their reproduction and why they view purebloods as bad it makes sense. What better way to improve the Asari than to mate with the Hero of the Citadel?

Hmm... good point, he/she could always say he/she was triying to improve the Asari race. 
I couldn't, I would feel so guilty next time I would look into Liara's eyes. Guessing my Shep wouldn't mind that much.

True. I'd be in the same position though because I simply couldn't face Liara if my Shep did that. I can't even do the harmless flirting with Kelly because I feel bad when I go see Liara. She's got my Shepard so hooked that she won't even look at anyone else.

[Mox Ruuga]

jbauck wrote...

LOL!  What I learned in ME2 is that Shepard is like Asari Catnip.  There's Shiala, the random dancing girl in the VIP section of Afterlife ("I DO wanna' think that!"), and then, of course, Morinth who volunteers for a suicide mission just because she might get the opportunity to Asari!Join Shep to Death.

Except, sadly, for Liara ... who's like "Oh, Shepard.  You're alive.  Meh.  Must Kill Shadow Broker!"  Which is why she must, must be a squadmate in ME3 (getting back on-topic here).  That SO needs fixin'.

Besides - if Liara doesn't join the squad and lay down some serious claim on Catnip Shep, Shep is going to be too busy running from screaming, crying hordes of Asari - a la the Beatles - to actually stop the Reapers in ME3.

Lol! It's funny, because it's true. Asarinip Shep.

I think Samara too, is attracted despite herself.

I like Shiala tho, and hope she is a "non-squad romance" or a fling option in ME3, no matter how unlikely that might be. Same goes for Gianna. I'll just create new SingleSheps for them. It's just weird, how the devs noticed the popularity of those two and gave fanservice accordingly in the sequel, compered to the treatment the actual LIs got.

More and more, it's becoming clear that the primary objective was to make the ME1 LIs repellent to the returning fans (since the noobs wouldn't know or care what happened in ME1 between Shep and them). The choice between staying loyal and cheating wasn't made very fair at all. We only have flimsy and vague assurances about the ME1 LI/Shepard romance continuing in ME3.

[Mox Ruuga]

jbauck wrote...

Yeah, she would.  She DID.  I want Liara as an ME3 squad member because - romance aside - she was my favorite must-have squad-member in ME1.  Soldier!Shep, Tali, Liara was always my favorite squad combo, and by later games I'd drop Tali and rotate other people out because tech skills were good for ... opening boxes.  And on later runthroughs I Did Not Care.

Liara's "bonus power" in ME3 (assuming they keep the ME2 game system as-is, fingers-crossed) should be SmackDown.  Sort of like Miranda's Slam, except that it automatically works on any Asari who isn't Liara who gets too close to Shepard, without Liara even thinking about it.

Hey - it's the only way Shep is going to have some breathing room to save the universe.

Liara was one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful squaddie in ME1. A real room cleaner, her biotics easily dominated whatever mooks were hiding in cover, making them easy targets for Shepard and squaddie #2.

The only poor area for her was long range combat, but even Garrus and Ash struggled with that.

I only had Liara use a pistol in the beginning to mid game. Later on, I gave her a top of the line shotgun or an accurate AR, or a geth pulse rifle. Worked pretty well. The barrier + electronics combo kept her less vulnerable to enemy fire than one might think.

[Nayt Navare]

Yeah, Liara buttf***ed enemies in ME1. I can't recall a 10th of the times I blasted an enemy out of the air.

[speedy111280]

SE JN wrote...

Yeah, Liara buttf***ed enemies in ME1. I can't recall a 10th of the times I blasted an enemy out of the air.

I usually didn't even bother to shoot them once they got airborne. If she used throw on them I usually just back and watched to see how far they would go before hitting the ground somewhere. It was always amusing to see an enemy go flying off in the distance and many moments later have the XP for their death pop up on screen.

[Mox Ruuga]

speedy111280 wrote...


I usually didn't even bother to shoot them once they got airborne. If she used throw on them I usually just back and watched to see how far they would go before hitting the ground somewhere. It was always amusing to see an enemy go flying off in the distance and many moments later have the XP for their death pop up on screen.

I love how biotics made you and your squad seem powerful in ME1. One of the best parts was just ripping through the geth and krogan Saren tried to slow you down with during the dash up the elevator shaft at the end of ME1. Those bowling pins just went flying!

I hate how biotics were nerfed in ME2. Bah! I don't want to feel like playing rock-paper-scissors, the fun factor was supposed to be much higher in ME2. And suddenly my Adept's powers are stopped by kinetics barriers and people wearing armor? From powerhouse to s#!thouse in 2 years, wth Bioware?

[Deamon023]

speedy111280 wrote...

SE JN wrote...

Yeah, Liara buttf***ed enemies in ME1. I can't recall a 10th of the times I blasted an enemy out of the air.

I usually didn't even bother to shoot them once they got airborne. If she used throw on them I usually just back and watched to see how far they would go before hitting the ground somewhere. It was always amusing to see an enemy go flying off in the distance and many moments later have the XP for their death pop up on screen.

Liara is a biotic godess

[JayJayTG]

You could just see she wanted to be part of the team this time round, her eyes spoke it, but her programming wouldnt allow it

[Mox Ruuga]

Let's see...

There's this:

"We’re deep in spoiler territory, but yes, he’s a significant character even though he’s totally optional.  As with all characters, your decisions regarding Legion will carry forward into the next game. One thing we’re going to keep an eye on is how people make use of each of the characters in Mass Effect 2. That will influence our decisions on the importance of those characters in the ongoing story into Mass Effect 3."

While that hopefully only deals with the ME2 squaddies, there are troubling issues with the "we will be tracking how many people cheat" thing. If enough games trigger the "Cheater!" flag and upload it to your profile, will the devs then smugly decide to wreck the ME1 LIs completely?

Hudson didn't tell me why the team opted to not include this option in Mass Effect 2, but he did say that the option will come back in Mass Effect 3 -- if you laid the groundwork for it in the original game.

"In Mass Effect, as a female Commander Shepard you could have a romance with the female-looking yet asexual asari, Liara. That love story will continue into Mass Effect 2 (and Mass Effect 3) if you had started it in the first game, though things will be a bit rocky between you this time around because you’ve been away for two years.  You’ll be able to conclude that story with Liara in Mass Effect 3, though keep in mind that your romances in Mass Effect 3 will have an impact on how that plays out."

Does he mean "though keep in mind that your romances in Mass Effect 2 will have an impact on how that plays out"?

It doesn't seem very comforting at all, to be honest. "That love story will continue into Mass Effect 2 (and Mass Effect 3) if you had started it in the first game,"

It did? Could have fooled me... Will we get a similar amount of "romance" from Liara in ME3, then? Perhaps a smile, and a little happier kiss this time? Such an epic "conclusion" to wait for... And again misusing the asexual term. Try mono gendered, Casey.

Won't comment on the DLC.

[bjdbwea]

Well, if it "continues" in ME 3 like it did in ME 2, why bother at all... <_<

The important part is he says you can "conclude that story with Liara". I'd take that as a hint that hopefully at least you get a proper ending with mention of your LIs (since I doubt it'd be only the case for Liara). Hopefully not as short and shallow as the epilogues in DA, which were a bad joke really, even compared to the epilogues in BG 2 ten years ago. My faith in BioWare at the moment isn't exactly great, so I'm certainly not holding my breath.

[Mox Ruuga]

bjdbwea wrote...

Well, if it "continues" in ME 3 like it did in ME 2, why bother at all... <_<

The important part is he says you can "conclude that story with Liara". I'd take that as a hint that hopefully at least you get a proper ending with mention of your LIs (since I doubt it'd be only the case for Liara). Hopefully not as short and shallow as the epilogues in DA, which were a bad joke really, even compared to the epilogues in BG 2 ten years ago. My faith in BioWare at the moment isn't exactly great, so I'm certainly not holding my breath.

Agreed on the "why bother".

I suggest we politely try to dig the size of the role we can realistically expect from the devs as soon as they start posting again. Politely tho, don't slam them no matter how you feel. I'd hope they'll at least reveal a kind of a ballpark estimate for us, so we don't get our hopes up for nothing. No more "we want you to be excited and find out these secrets and revelations for yourself". It just plain sucked to see the extent of the "second act of the romance"...

At least something like: "Don't expect an ME1 sized role" or "something similar in scope to what was in ME2, yes". That way we wouldn't be strung along for another two years. Best get the disappointment over with ASAP. We can then continue to enjoy Mass Effect for what it is, not what we hoped it would have been.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

That love story will continue into Mass Effect 2 (and Mass Effect 3) if you had started it in the first game,

It did? Could have fooled me... Will we get a similar amount of "romance" from Liara in ME3, then? Perhaps a smile, and a little happier kiss this time? Such an epic "conclusion" to wait for...

Hah, I thought the exact same thing when I read it.  What love story in ME2??  There is none!

It's one thing to use PR speak in an interview, its another to be deliberatley misleading.

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Well, if it "continues" in ME 3 like it did in ME 2, why bother at all... <_<

The important part is he says you can "conclude that story with Liara". I'd take that as a hint that hopefully at least you get a proper ending with mention of your LIs (since I doubt it'd be only the case for Liara). Hopefully not as short and shallow as the epilogues in DA, which were a bad joke really, even compared to the epilogues in BG 2 ten years ago. My faith in BioWare at the moment isn't exactly great, so I'm certainly not holding my breath.

Agreed.  "Conclude" could mean many things.  Is his definition of conclude as broad as his definition of "continue"?

[ComTrav]

I don't think it's as glum as some of you seem to think. Liara CANNOT DIE in either game. She is the only character GUARANTEED to survive to ME3. Also, can you imagine NOT having an Asari on your squad? I like Samara, but her Justicar's oath gives her a convenient out. I still feel like she's the most likely character to return.

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

IMO, wait and see what comes of the Liara DLC before you start worrying about whether the romance will feature as much in ME3 as it did in 2. For all we know, finishing the mission with Liara in the DLC will allow you to reaffirm the romance, and maybe we'll have Joker making a wisecrack about her or Kelly asking how you feel about her.

To put it bluntly, wait until the Liara DLC. If things don't improve in that, then I feel we'd be justified in fretting about it.

If the DLC ends the way it should end, Kelly won't need to ask me about it as I take Liara right past her up to the cabin's quarters.  It should be pretty obvious at that point.

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...


^^Completely agreed. I may be coming across as annoyingly optimistic, but i've said all along that Liara will have a large role in ME3, along with I believe the surviving Alliance soldier.

I know it's going to be a long and painful wait for ME3, but I feel it's going to be very rewarding in the end.

/shrug I'm going to wait till the comic is done before I bother to get my hopes up about anything.  My expectations are pretty low at this point, shouldn't be too hard to meet that. 

Of course they failed to meet my low expectations for Liara inclusion in ME2, so you never know.

[SurfaceBeneath]

*wanders into thread*



Hey guys! What's going on in he-



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...Ok... leaving now...

[WilliamShatner]

Interview also doesn't inspire much hope for any new F/F romances (or M/M romances for that matter) in ME3.