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[ratzerman]

Deamon023 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, that's a typo. He means 2, doesn't make any sense what he says if it were 3.

I second it.

Third.... has to be a typo.

And thanks for the optimism, folks.  I really, really needed some.

BTW... if anyone hasn't posted in the stickied wishlist thread, what are you waiting for?  Go!  NAO!

[DigitalMaster37]

bjdbwea wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I'm pretty sure he meant ME2. It wouldn't make sense if he said ME3.

It would make sense with the interpretation I gave. This is all professional PR today, there's no word randomly chosen. Though mistakes can happen, of course. Just have to wait and see.

Yeah but I highly doubt that's the case. even if that was what he said, what sense does it make?

[speedy111280]

General Stubbs wrote...

(Lol, I like how he keeps trying to say female-looking yet asexual, everyone in the game says they reproduce asexually but are mono-gendered. We know the truth Casey!).

It always cracks me up when they do that. It's fairly obvious from the games that while the Asari may be mono-gendered, they still view themselves as female. I mean come on their 3 stages of life are Maiden, Matron and Matriarch (all feminine words); they even call their children daughters. So while they may not fit the classic definition of female we are all used (as they don't have the male counterpart) they at least view themselves female after all those years in contact with other dual-gendered species.

We do know the truth and those of us that love Liara can't wait to have her return to our squad in ME3.

[DigitalMaster37]

Here is my complete synopsis of the entire Liara situation.
(Wall of text coming, beware)
To start: I’ll give my statement and then inside the following wall of text you will see my logic.
Statement: We will see Liara in DLC and we will see a great finale to the romance in ME3, just watch.
DLC:
1) In the “cookedpc” we have ample proof that whatever DLC is coming, in some way or another it has to include Liara. Even if it is not exactly a romance pack, we will still get to dig for more information and interact more with her. This is enough to pique my excitement. Aside from that I will also add my theory. 
       a. BioWare left us Liara lovers in the dirt (seemingly) by giving us what has amounted to “crap” as far as interaction and continuation of our beloved LI relationship from ME1. Now many think that this was intentional and others think it was a “mistake” and oversight by BioWare. Here’s what I think:
                      i. BioWare did this on purpose because they still have a story to tell in the comic book and to have Liara spill the beans early would be bad business as it relates to selling the comic book. So instead of blowing the sales opportunity on the comic, they have chosen to give us a short rain check on the development of our beloved LI. This is why I think we have DLC in our future that includes Liara and possibly the other ME1 LIs. 
                      ii. I also believe that there is soooo much content to explore with Liara’s story arc anyway that they want to really have us explore this in DLC as well (the SB situation)
ME3:
1) Okay so this one will be easier to explain. It really comes down to how many times we have heard the devs say “ME1 LIs will make a return in ME3” two things to note here:
         a. “make a return” should be considered as squad mate material because they are already present in ME2, so if using the term “return” means anything, it has to mean making a return to the squad. 
         b. This also means they will be completely romanceable. This is one time I think the devs are being completely upfront and honest.
2) It also comes down to common sense and what actually makes sense in this game.
         a. Would it make any sense to completely take out the ME1 LIs?
         b. What kind of double standard would that be if they had the audacity to continue any ME2 LIs without including and rewarding us ME1 LIs people?
         c. What sense would it make to add a completely new set of LIs in ME3?
         d. ME3 is about closing story arcs, BioWare has said that this is what would happen with the ME1 LIs, we have to trust them to some extent. 
         e. We will definitely get first look from devs before any other ME2 LIs do. It only makes sense.
The end.

Tell me what you think…

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 10 février 2010 - 04:57 .

[ComTrav]

@ Deltaboy: I agree with your fundamental optimism. I realize Liara's romance was treated poorly in ME2, but Liara is the only character guaranteed to survive both games, she has her own comic book, she has forthcoming DLC, and she's Asari, who are PROBABLY one of ME's most iconic races. I think all this adds up to her making a big return in ME3.



How the romance/relationship is treated is a separate question, but I think Bioware is well aware that it's one of their 'signature elements' and will hopefully give every LI choice a good payoff.

[MoSa09]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Tell me what you think…

I think your optimism is equally impressive as contagious, so i keep my pessimistic mouth shut, except to thank for your optimistic and well reasoned outlook, and eagerly await April when Redemption#4 is on sale. If there will be a Liara dlc, at least the announcement should arrive around that time then

[jbauck]

@Deltaboy: I think you're a genius.



Or, at least, I hope you're a genius with super BioWare mind-reading powers. Really, the Liara handling is simply my one complaint about ME2. I really like everything else about the game, and I hope the devs are aware that it's a little jarring that Sheps with a Liara ME1 LI don't even get to talk to Kelly about their feelings. For crying out loud, Kelly is Always Asking About My Feelings.



So, yes - I hope very, very sincerely that you're right on all points, especially the bit about the oddly Liara-Light ME2 (considering you can, y'know ... go back and talk to her frequently. And still not say anything) was completely on purpose, and the DLC drops in there.



I even hope that the DLC takes place after the main mission in ME2. Makes sense to me that this would a) give Liara time to track down the Shadow Broker and make it sensible that she's not really an ME2 squaddie (which I would love but will also admit would be totally unfair to Kaidan/Ashley fans).

[ratzerman]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Here is my complete synopsis of the entire Liara situation.
*snip*
Tell me what you think…

I like the way you think, Delta.  Don't ever change, OK?

[Nozybidaj]

MoSa09 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Why did everyone get a bad vibe from the interview. I thought it was a very positive confirmation of the conclusion of our favorite LI. At the very least it's a fresh confirmation. Normally that means it is still their plans to finish the LI romance arc. I'm kinda optimistic as a result.

But then again, I am always optimistic which can carry some negatives, but overall it treats me pretty good.

Well, they nearly said the same about ME 2. He describes the relationship with Liara in ME 2 as a bit rocky, whereas i would use the term "nonexistent".

Moreover, it seems that Liara will only be romancable in ME 3 if you started that in ME 1. While this is not a problem for me since all my Shep's are in love with her in ME 1, generally that could mean two things

1. She is recruitable but simply not romancable for ME 2/ME 3 Shepard's for an unknwon reason

2. she's not romancable in ME 3 cause she is not recruitable and will only have a cameo and you can explore a bit more personal if you started a romance with her in ME 1.

As much as i would like it to be the former, my fear is it will be the latter. That alone does not have to be a huge concern, if they give her a meaningful cameo with more than a few lines it's not my favorite choice but's it's okay. But after he insists on calling ME 2 a continuation of relationships whereas i see a brief kiss and NO TALK AT ALL about the status of the relationship as no continuation, i fear the continuation and closure they have in mind will not differ that much from ME 2. Which is a real shame actually.

Seem to have a pretty negative day, maybe you can borrow me some of your optimism for a while, i really need it at the moment.

Who knows, i think they have realized that the fans of the ME 1 LI are not happy with how ME 2 played out and decide to do something about it in ME 3, or even better, in a ME 2 dlc (hopefully not just Liara, Ash/Kaidan fans deserve some better closure then too)? I really hope i'm wrong, so i keep my fingers crossed my pessimistic guessing is WAY OFF

This is why I got a negative vibe from it.  Seeing how broad his definition of "continuation" was with ME2 (I also would have used the term nonexistant instead) I worry what his definition of "conclude" will be.  SImple as that.

[maikanix]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Statement: We will see Liara in DLC and we will see a great finale to the romance in ME3, just watch.

Tell me what you think…

I hope so. 
I know that more people seem to love Tali, but Bioware can't leave Liara in the dust. Not after the comics, and the effort they put into it. Plus linking her to the Shadow Broker, who will more than likely be a major player in ME3. 

I hope they put enough of her in there so that we can be satisfied. And at least a fully developed romance in 3. Complete with cuddling in the cabin, and emotionally charged scene before the final battle.

[DigitalMaster37]

jbauck wrote...

@Deltaboy: I think you're a genius.

Or, at least, I hope you're a genius with super BioWare mind-reading powers. Really, the Liara handling is simply my one complaint about ME2. I really like everything else about the game, and I hope the devs are aware that it's a little jarring that Sheps with a Liara ME1 LI don't even get to talk to Kelly about their feelings. For crying out loud, Kelly is Always Asking About My Feelings.

So, yes - I hope very, very sincerely that you're right on all points, especially the bit about the oddly Liara-Light ME2 (considering you can, y'know ... go back and talk to her frequently. And still not say anything) was completely on purpose, and the DLC drops in there.

I even hope that the DLC takes place after the main mission in ME2. Makes sense to me that this would a) give Liara time to track down the Shadow Broker and make it sensible that she's not really an ME2 squaddie (which I would love but will also admit would be totally unfair to Kaidan/Ashley fans).

Thanks for the genius comment

I really believe my theory.

[larsdidriksen]

there was a statement that said something about repercussions in ME3 if you romanced one of the new crew with an import from ME1 who had already romanced one of the old crew. Since my romance from ME1 was Liara, the before statement cant really hold true if shes not active anymore. Wish they would have put in the choice to end the relationship though, i mean Shepards been dead for 2 years...things have changed.

[Lord Atlia]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Tell me what you think…

I think Liara will send you an e-mail telling you to go to the Shadow Broker base.  After getting data on SB, and recovering the signature SB Armor and Weapon, you send the data via e-mail back to her (Mission Complete)...just kidding

[DigitalMaster37]

ratzerman wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Here is my complete synopsis of the entire Liara situation.
*snip*
Tell me what you think…

I like the way you think, Delta.  Don't ever change, OK?

LOL, thanks ratz, I'll try not to.

[Driveninhifi]

Delta: I agree and I think you'll have a grand romantic conclusion with your LI in part 3. Seems obvious they are leading up to it.

I do think this will make ME2 kind of pointless, as there's no progression of the story in it.



As for "repercussions" I really think they messed up. I mean, Liara expects Shep to hate her - would she really be surprised if Shep hooks up with someone else. I can see her being totally touched and happy if Shep stays true. But I think Shep walking in with say Miranda on his arm should just make her feel more guilty ("I did this to myself!") than make her hate Shep.

[jlb524]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Interview also doesn't inspire much hope for any new F/F romances (or M/M romances for that matter) in ME3.

Nope.  It's looking like there won't be anymore same sex romances in the ME series.  Casey basically is saying that there was an f/f romance in ME1 (Liara) and though it was lacking in ME2, it will be continued in ME3.  This doesn't necessarily rule out m/m or new f/f, as they could always change their minds.  But at this point, they probably have that all planned out.  It may also be that they are not going to introduce new romances period, so no new f/m either. 

This does kind of give me some hope for the Liara romance in ME3.  Remember that Casey doesn't feel ME2 had a true f/f romance (the Liara 'romance' continuation was minor) but now he's saying there will be one in ME3 (the continuation of Liara's).   This tells me that the Liara romance content in ME3 should be significant enough to warrant it being called a true in-game same-sex romance (and not just a cameo).

Modifié par jlb524, 10 février 2010 - 06:53 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Lord Atlia wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Tell me what you think…

I think Liara will send you an e-mail telling you to go to the Shadow Broker base.  After getting data on SB, and recovering the signature SB Armor and Weapon, you send the data via e-mail back to her (Mission Complete)...just kidding

stop trying to scare me

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 10 février 2010 - 06:52 .

[jlb524]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Tell me what you think…

I like it and want to agree with you. 

I must remain pessimistic for the sake of my sanity, however.

Actually, I just posted something optimistic above and even used the H-word ('hope').   I think your optimism is getting contagious.

[Jax Sparrow]

I'll take this cookie too.

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Tell me what you think…

I like it and want to agree with you. 

I must remain pessimistic for the sake of my sanity, however.

Actually, I just posted something optimistic above and even used the H-word ('hope').   I think your optimism is getting contagious.

AHA! My plan is working, I shall spread hope if its the last thing I do!

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 10 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[DigitalMaster37]

I got click happy...

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 10 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[Driveninhifi]

One thing I wonder:

If the grand romantic reunion between Shep and Liara occurs at the end of ME3, will it feel unrealistic?

I think that the SB plot has to be wrapped up sooner rather than later. Unless the SB is a Reaper or is intimately connect with them somehow, the fight against him kind of pales in comparison to the threat of all life being destroyed.

Once he's gone, there's nothing that would realistically prevent Liara and Shep from pursuing their relationship. I'd say that it needs to come back to the forefront even before he's gone (unless she's kidnapped or something). There's a lot of good opportunity for that fight - Shep can influence Liara by encouraging her to take her vengeance. Then perhaps for the rest of the game the galaxy can be totally afraid of renegade Shep and his ruthless asari lover (would be very interesting).

Or maybe Shep convinces her that she needs to do it for justice, not revenge and helps her through (since it doesn't make sense for her to have enjoyed the last 2 years at all)

I think it's important that the player be able to have this influence on her though - I think it would be odd for a paragon Shep to not attempt to convince her to fight the SB for the "right" reasons. Shep would definitely want to help her, I think, but also try to "redeem" her (if that's the right word).