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[Nozybidaj]

Driveninhifi wrote...

One thing I wonder:
If the grand romantic reunion between Shep and Liara occurs at the end of ME3, will it feel unrealistic?
I think that the SB plot has to be wrapped up sooner rather than later. Unless the SB is a Reaper or is intimately connect with them somehow, the fight against him kind of pales in comparison to the threat of all life being destroyed.
Once he's gone, there's nothing that would realistically prevent Liara and Shep from pursuing their relationship. I'd say that it needs to come back to the forefront even before he's gone (unless she's kidnapped or something). There's a lot of good opportunity for that fight - Shep can influence Liara by encouraging her to take her vengeance. Then perhaps for the rest of the game the galaxy can be totally afraid of renegade Shep and his ruthless asari lover (would be very interesting).
Or maybe Shep convinces her that she needs to do it for justice, not revenge and helps her through (since it doesn't make sense for her to have enjoyed the last 2 years at all)
I think it's important that the player be able to have this influence on her though - I think it would be odd for a paragon Shep to not attempt to convince her to fight the SB for the "right" reasons. Shep would definitely want to help her, I think, but also try to "redeem" her (if that's the right word).

I agree with pretty much everything.  Shepard should have an impact into how the whole thing plays out.  My Paragon Shep wants to be able to bring the old Liara back.  Once the SB is dealt with the romance should be able to start unfolding again.  If I have to play all of ME3 just to get back to the point we were at the end of ME1 all of ME2 and 3 will feel very shallow and unsatisfying, basically nothing would have changed for them after the end of ME1.  I could have just ended the whole trilogy right there if that is the case.  So I agree, this all needs to be resolved prior to ME3 so we can develop their relationship as well as allow them to focus their attentions on the real threat of Reaper invasion.

[Sharn01]

I pretty much fear that is the path they are going to take, they dont seem to be willing to continually develope characters, instead they hit the reset button in some way or another, but we will see.

[Nozybidaj]

Sharn01 wrote...

I pretty much fear that is the path they are going to take, they dont seem to be willing to continually develope characters, instead they hit the reset button in some way or another, but we will see.

That is a big disappointment in the direction they chose for ME2.  We basically have two chapters of character introductions with no character development in the trilogy now. They could have taken those characters from ME1 and made them some of the deepest and best developed characters in video game history, three full chapters of backtory, changes, growth, and personal connection.  Instead they cast them aside and introduced a bunch of new characters, again. Wasted opportunity.

[Sharn01]

From what little I read about the Dragon Age expansion they are doing an even worse job. My rogue headed out to live the life of a Grey Warden with Liliana (lover) Dog, and Zevran(sidekick) in the games epilogue, apparently that is going to be completely ignored.



Guess we have to wait and see how well the Mass Effect team cater's to your choices as a player.

[Nastrod]

BW has to see clearly by now that they handled Liara, Ash and Kaiden badly in ME2. They stress how if you cheat on your ME1 romance there will be repercussions in ME3 but look how the ME1 LIs was treated in ME2.



Since the DLC may be several months away and at least 2 months because of the comic book. BW should just tell everyone to connect to Cerberus network on a certain day next week and they may or may not get a message. Then anyone that stayed faithful will receive a special e-mail from their Li. I am not saying a whole conversation scene but just a e-mail message on your ship that BW do in a day since it is just text.

[Meshakhad]

Corti78 wrote...

Liara better return as a squadmate in ME3. As much as I would like to see her kill the shadow broker, I think that honor should be reserved for Shepard. Something tells me I would replay that mission over and over then.

And yes I would want the sweet innocent Liara to return over the cold/ruthless act she is putting on now.

I'd like a mix of the two - sweet but badass, with a giant berserk button named Commander Shepard.

As for the Shadow Broker, I might kill him myself. I might let Liara do it. Or I might feed him to the rachni.

Here's how I think they ought to structure their romance:

After Liara joins the crew, she comes to your quarters to talk. There will be an option to ask her to spend the night. Doing this will prevent you from romancing anyone else, and some characters will make comments about you and Liara - there's no way you're keeping that relationship a secret.

Prior to the climactic battle with the Reapers, there will be another scene. Defying expectations, this won't show Shepard and Liara having sex - it will be a pillow talk scene. It will be incredibly sweet and tender.

Modifié par Meshakhad, 10 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[jlb524]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Unless the SB is a Reaper or is intimately connect with them somehow,

This might be the case.  The SB did try to sell Shepard's body to the Reapers.   I doubt the SB is a Reaper, though.

It may be that the SB is another Saren, an organic agent working to aid the Reapers make their return.  The SB might have adopted Saren's philosophy...that it is better to submit to the Reapers than to die by their 'hands'.

[Sphynx118]

jlb524 wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Unless the SB is a Reaper or is intimately connect with them somehow,

This might be the case.  The SB did try to sell Shepard's body to the Reapers.   I doubt the SB is a Reaper, though.

It may be that the SB is another Saren, an organic agent working to aid the Reapers make their return.  The SB might have adopted Saren's philosophy...that it is better to submit to the Reapers than to die by their 'hands'.

He tried to sell the body to the COLLECTORS not the reapers. He doesnt know that they are working for the reapers. So for him it might just have been business. No need for him to go all saren on us

[jlb524]

Sphynx118 wrote...

He tried to sell the body to the COLLECTORS not the reapers. He doesnt know that they are working for the reapers. So for him it might just have been business. No need for him to go all saren on us

In the end, it was still the Reapers that would get the body, since the Collectors are just their mindless slaves.  The SB might not have known that he/she was working for the Reapers (and not just the Collectors) at first, but things could have changed in 2 years.   The SB could end up being a major villian in ME3 (which would be a good sign for us Liara fans).

Modifié par jlb524, 10 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[ratzerman]

Meshakhad wrote...

Prior to the climactic battle with the Reapers, there will be another scene. Defying expectations, this won't show Shepard and Liara having sex - it will be a pillow talk scene. It will be incredibly sweet and tender.

That would be so awesome!  It'll never, ever happen.  But it would be awesome.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

He tried to sell the body to the COLLECTORS not the reapers. He doesnt know that they are working for the reapers. So for him it might just have been business. No need for him to go all saren on us

In the end, it was still the Reapers that would get the body, since the Collectors are just their mindless slaves.  The SB might not have known that he/she was working for the Reapers (and not just the Collectors) at first, but things could have changed in 2 years.   The SB could end up being a major villian in ME3 (which would be a good sign for us Liara fans).

I disagree.  If I have to spend all of ME3 dealing with the Shadow Broker before I can resolve Liara's issues, get her back to normal, and reignite the romance the whole thing just before the big end battle and game over it will feel like a waste of a game.  I don't want to just get back to where ME1 left us, I wanted to see some actual development and progression.  ME2 has just made such a cluster **** out of everything.

[speedy111280]

Along with wanting to see Liara as a squadmate in ME3, I want a very emotional scene for her and Shepard. The reveal of why she's going after the Shadow Broker is emotional but I think there is more to her current attitude than just the Shepard angle (I don't really think Feron plays into all that much except wanting to save him if possible).

I think a big portion of the drastic change in Liara is fallout from having to be complicit in the death of her mother. That alone is enough to send someone into a tailspin but add to that the death of the one person you care about most in the world and you've got an emotional mess. I want to see a scene where Liara actually breaks down over it so she can start to move on.

Modifié par speedy111280, 10 février 2010 - 09:08 .

[Mox Ruuga]

I also thought SB might be an Reaper way back when, until someone reminded me that Shadow Broker was betrayed by Saren, and thus allows his agent Barla Von to help you.

He is working for the Collectors at one point, but that is most likely just a business arrangement and he/she/they/it are unaware of the Collectors' true nature. SB isn't omniscient, he/she/they/it didn't know much about Cerberus during ME1, after all.

[speedy111280]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

Along with wanting to see Liara as a squadmate in ME3, I want a very emotional scene for her and Shepard. The reveal of why she's going after the Shadow Broker is emotional but I think there is more to her current attitude than just the Shepard angle (I don't really think Feron plays into all that much except wanting to save him if possible).

I think a big portion of the drastic change in Liara is fallout from having to be complicit in the death of her mother. That alone is enough to send someone into a tailspin but add to that the death of the one person you care about most in the world and you've got an emotional mess. I want to see a scene where Liara actually breaks down over it so she can start to move on.

Yes, I'd love that! I'd love a scene in which you comfort her, and Shepard allows her floodgates to just open. The way she is in ME2 really makes me want to help her come to terms with what's happened to her.

Little Wing is in some desperate need of comfort. She's had to soldier on for two years without anyone, obviously not even any of the crew actually thought to check in with Liara from time to time to see how she was holding up. That's an even worse oversight if Liara was Shepard's lover, I won't buy that no one else on the ship would have known about their relationship because in a closed group like that ship there are no secrets.

[Mox Ruuga]

As I've been playing ME1, for some reason I started thinking about Liara's new role as an Information Broker.

Her rapid ascendance is very unbelievable, yes, and stinks of shoddy writing, but I don't believe the devs will just hit the reset button. I'm not so sure about her being a ME3 squaddie option any longer.

Mass Effect is all about choices, at least theoretically, so perhaps we'll need to make a choice between two very influential and powerful information brokers in ME3. A true Paragon vs Renegade situation, choose the rookie you know, or the veteran who is the enemy of the rookie. The choice will result in the other one's death. Fine enough so far, every other squaddie can die after all, though this death would be a grim one indeed, worthy of +100 Renegade at the very least!

But should such a situation occur, I believe Liara will stay in her role in the scenarios where she lives. She will feed us information and quests, and though we can keep on "romancing" her, she is ever more entrenched in her new "dark and edgy" personality, even though saving her would be the Paragon choice. And she won't be a constant presence on the Normandy either. The devs have been making noises about people misunderstanding the need of LIs to be squaddies to be "viable". We of course thought that this just meant the ME2 cameo phase, but for Liara it might very well be a permanent thing.

Being part of a major crossroads choice like this would in fact make it necessary for her to be alive at the start of every ME3 game.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

As I've been playing ME1, for some reason I started thinking about Liara's new role as an Information Broker.

Her rapid ascendance is very unbelievable, yes, and stinks of shoddy writing, but I don't believe the devs will just hit the reset button. I'm not so sure about her being a ME3 squaddie option any longer.

Mass Effect is all about choices, at least theoretically, so perhaps we'll need to make a choice between two very influential and powerful information brokers in ME3. A true Paragon vs Renegade situation, choose the rookie you know, or the veteran who is the enemy of the rookie. The choice will result in the other one's death. Fine enough so far, every other squaddie can die after all, though this death would be a grim one indeed, worthy of +100 Renegade at the very least!

But should such a situation occur, I believe Liara will stay in her role in the scenarios where she lives. She will feed us information and quests, and though we can keep on "romancing" her, she is ever more entrenched in her new "dark and edgy" personality, even though saving her would be the Paragon choice. And she won't be a constant presence on the Normandy either. The devs have been making noises about people misunderstanding the need of LIs to be squaddies to be "viable". We of course thought that this just meant the ME2 cameo phase, but for Liara it might very well be a permanent thing.

Being part of a major crossroads choice like this would in fact make it necessary for her to be alive at the start of every ME3 game.

Edit:  Sorry, my original comment came off a little rude.  While I appreciate your idea, I want Liara by my side.  She was already sidelined in ME2, if I don't get a metric ass ton of interaction and character development with her in ME3 I doubt I would be interested in buying the game.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 10 février 2010 - 09:35 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Nozybidaj wrote...

That would pretty much make me loose all interest in ME3 and the series as a whole.

Edit:  Sorry, that was rude.  While I appreciate your idea, I want Liara by my side.  She was already sidelined in ME2, if I don't get a metric ass ton of interaction and character development with her in ME3 I doubt I would be interested in buying the game.

Oh believe me, that idea is not meant to be appreciated! It is a bad scenario, not the worst case, but pretty damn nasty at that. I intentionally put the word romance in quotation marks there. And tho I don't want the devs to hit a reset button, I also don't want Liara to stay as an information broker. Making her one was a terrible idea and a an asspull of character rewriting, considering her shy and compassionate persona in ME1. She was the only one who felt sorry for Saren, when everyone else was pledging to see him dead, Garrus even suggesting killing him if he was captured!

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

That would pretty much make me loose all interest in ME3 and the series as a whole.

Edit:  Sorry, that was rude.  While I appreciate your idea, I want Liara by my side.  She was already sidelined in ME2, if I don't get a metric ass ton of interaction and character development with her in ME3 I doubt I would be interested in buying the game.

Oh believe me, that idea is not meant to be appreciated! It is a bad scenario, not the worst case, but pretty damn nasty at that. I intentionally put the word romance in quotation marks there. And tho I don't want the devs to hit a reset button, I also don't want Liara to stay as an information broker. Making her one was a terrible idea and a an asspull of character rewriting, considering her shy and compassionate persona in ME1. She was the only one who felt sorry for Saren, when everyone else was pledging to see him dead, Garrus even suggesting killing him if he was captured!

I agree.  Having her turn into some information guru in 2 years with enough pull, contacts, and skill to hunt down one of the most influential and mysterious people in the galaxy is more than just "a stretch".  I love Liara as a character, but come on, really, this is the best they could do?

[DigitalMaster37]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

Along with wanting to see Liara as a squadmate in ME3, I want a very emotional scene for her and Shepard. The reveal of why she's going after the Shadow Broker is emotional but I think there is more to her current attitude than just the Shepard angle (I don't really think Feron plays into all that much except wanting to save him if possible).

I think a big portion of the drastic change in Liara is fallout from having to be complicit in the death of her mother. That alone is enough to send someone into a tailspin but add to that the death of the one person you care about most in the world and you've got an emotional mess. I want to see a scene where Liara actually breaks down over it so she can start to move on.

Yes, I'd love that! I'd love a scene in which you comfort her, and Shepard allows her floodgates to just open. The way she is in ME2 really makes me want to help her come to terms with what's happened to her.

I also want a very emotional scene with her and Shepard. After all it's been 2 years (and counting! thanks BioWare!!!) so I really would like a scene where we catch up on a lot of things and just cuddle and pass the time being with each other (although not too much time, given the reaper threat and all) Then of course a love scene which captures all the tension of such a long time apart. Lastly after we've dealt with the Reaper threat, we should get another lengthy scene culminating in what has to be the most romantic finale ever known to man...

/dream

[Nozybidaj]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I also want a very emotional scene with her and Shepard. After all it's been 2 years (and counting! thanks BioWare!!!) so I really would like a scene where we catch up on a lot of things and just cuddle and pass the time being with each other (although not too much time, given the reaper threat and all) Then of course a love scene which captures all the tension of such a long time apart. Lastly after we've dealt with the Reaper threat, we should get another lengthy scene culminating in what has to be the most romantic finale ever known to man...

/dream

I approve of this message. Except I would have added a <_< after "After all it's been 2 years (and counting! thanks BioWare!!!)" instead of the "!!!".

[ushae]

Yeah, for some reason I have this reasoning that because a lot of people missed out on the romances (i.e. ME 1) this time around, Bioware will make full on that in the next game. Here's to hoping it isn't lackluster like it was this time. There was so much animosity between Shep and her, if that's what the developers intended then they did really well. Either that or it was stall tactics.

[Nozybidaj]

ushae wrote...

Yeah, for some reason I have this reasoning that because a lot of people missed out on the romances (i.e. ME 1) this time around, Bioware will make full on that in the next game. Here's to hoping it isn't lackluster like it was this time. There was so much animosity between Shep and her, if that's what the developers intended then they did really well. Either that or it was stall tactics.

I've decided to go with stall tactic and hope for the best.  If the comic comes through to its end without doing anything really horrible to the character I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that there is a huge DLC/expansion planned that is going to make up for the poor showing in ME2.