Nozybidaj wrote...
LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Similar to how alot of people who cheated on/dumped their ME1 interests in 2 were complaining that there wasn't an option in dialogue to dump them or end it, I wish there was an option with the new ME2 LIs to say "Sorry, I'm not interested, I already have a partner" which ends all chance of flirting/romance.
I hate it that I have to flat-out ignore Miranda, Jack and Tali in 2. When I played the first game I got to know everyone on the Normandy and exhausted all dialogue options, because that's how I like to play games.
I think this hurt as well, aside from Tali on my single Shep I haven't really talked to any of the other LI's because all the conversations try and push you into having a new relatioship. I doubt I'll ever see all the convo options for either Jack or Miranda because of this. I know for certain my Femshep will never see all of Jacob's.
Actually, as far as i know, Jacob is the only squadmate in ME 2 you can turn down. When femsheps starts flirting and he responds, you can outright tell him to keep it professional, and he follows along and the romance path is dead.
Something similar is possible for Miranda:; if you refuse to comment on her goods looks when she 's giving her rant speech about her father and choose the "neutral" option, her romance is also dead before it started. For the others, Kelly, Jack, Tali, Thane and Garrus, you have to stop talking to them after you reach a certain point.
And i won't agree that ME 2 is bad. I miss Liara like you all do, and i agree the integration of all the old romances was handled rather poorly. They wanted to keep them out of the story and tempt the players to get engaged with the news ones (which is fine, since just bringing back the old, no one would care about the new, so they had to do something), but it was handled incredibly clumsy. ME 2 in general was highly successful, and the reason is that it's a pretty good game.
They just got some things really wrong, and it's worth to telling them and letting them know we expect them to do better next time and voice the concerns. But simply disregarding the whole game as bad won't get the Liara case anywhere, apart from being noticed as some ME 1 nostalgics that will never be satisfied regardless of what they do. (And before you start bashing me, i don't say you are like that, i just said that as most of the dev's have limited time to read the boards, they most probably just scan the boards and make a quick judgement which one to follow and which one to ignore based on such prejudices).
There are reasonable arguments for telling them that they messed up all of the old romances and Liara especially, there's no need to retreat to "ME 2 bad game/ bad story/ bad characters.
And only counting the 4 or 5 missions that directly adressed the Collector's as plot relevant is a false way to count them i think. Right in the beginning, the game clearly separates who does what: TIM's job is to get to know more about the Collector's find a way to pass through the Omega 4 relay, while your job is to gather a team that's not only capable of doing the job, but also to return home alive. So while your not directly fighting the Collector's themselves, with recruiting your team you effectively lay the groundwork, cause without that team, Shepard simply can't complete the mission. And the personal loyalty quest add to the strength of your team. So while i' sayd it's perfectly fine to say you do not like that general "assemble your team" plot, you can't say most of the game is not related to the general plot.
Only my 2 cent's, feel free to disagree of course, though i won't engage in a flame war.
And before you accuse me as a Talimancer, i don't use that userbar for fun, i was equally disappointed about Liara's appearance as everyone else since i loved her since first meeting her in ME 1 and she is my romance for all my ME 1 Sheps. I just think that bashing ME 2 in general is not the best way to adcovate for her return and win the serious attention of the dev's. By looking at their sales, they can be certain that ME 2 is not a bad game.
And at least, her and Ash/KAidan's really brief apearance has one potential merit that seems to be forgotten: they all get plot armor. ME 2 is a suicide mission where apart from Joker, everyone can die. We have no clue if and how Liara/Ash/Kaidan willappear in ME 3, but given that they are guaranteed to be alive and their relationship still intact despite operating on pretty low level, we have much more than the LI fans of ME 2,who have to deal with the fact that their favorite character can die and might be scraped or reduced to a brief cameo cause it won't be alive for everyone. Liara/Ash/Kaidan, on the other hand, have at least a good chance to return as squadmates or bigger NPC appearances, since they are alive for everyone. From all possible LI so far, the ones of ME 1 have the greatest potential for ME 3, far more than their ME 2 replacements, and Liara, despited being downplayed in ME 2, with her own comic series and her personal relation to all Shepards (in love or not) offers the greatest plot potential of all. Despite my disappointment about her appearance in ME 2, that is promising. And i didn't even mentioned the dlc files
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