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[Nozybidaj]

Link of doom, lol.

[Unit-Alpha]

Bump b/c we need a bump.

[DigitalMaster37]

good bumpage. Dumb question pending (for bumpage sake) ---> Given how the ME1 LIs have been viewed by the new (and some old) fans, do you all think BioWare intended this, or are they just a casualty of the story in the ME trilogy?

I'm thinking more of a casualty of the trilogy, because I don;t think it was BioWares intention to push them out (ME1 LIs), but rather to tell a different part of the story that ties into ME3, but just happens to omit the ME1 LIs.

But the other logic is that BioWare got bored with the ME1 characters and now we have "new and improved" characters to take their place. I highly doubt this to be true, but what does everyone think?

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 12 février 2010 - 04:52 .

[Unit-Alpha]

I personally view it in the same way that I view to stupid choice to let the Council die as the default choice for non-imported characters. BW wants us to see all its new content so they feel that they have made it for some reason.

[Sledgehammer44mm]

I love me some Miranda & Liara! along with Samara and Ashley.

Just stopping by to show my support.

[Corti78]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

good bumpage. Dumb question pending (for bumpage sake) ---> Given how the ME1 LIs have been viewed by the new (and some old) fans, do you all think BioWare intended this, or are they just a casualty of the story in the ME trilogy?

I'm thinking more of a casualty of the trilogy, because I don;t think it was BioWares intention to push them out (ME1 LIs), but rather to tell a different part of the story that ties into ME3, but just happens to omit the ME1 LIs.

But the other logic is that BioWare got bored with the ME1 characters and now we have "new and improved" characters to take their place. I highly doubt this to be true, but what does everyone think?

Bioware aren't ones to casually abandon their characters so I don't see them throwing them away just for the hell of it.

It "may" be just a casualty of the trilogy but that doesn't excuse them for the rather poor writing/handling of the characters. Hopefully it was for the sake of further development in DLC, or if not, they rectify this in ME3.

[ERJAK2]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

good bumpage. Dumb question pending (for bumpage sake) ---> Given how the ME1 LIs have been viewed by the new (and some old) fans, do you all think BioWare intended this, or are they just a casualty of the story in the ME trilogy?

I'm thinking more of a casualty of the trilogy, because I don;t think it was BioWares intention to push them out (ME1 LIs), but rather to tell a different part of the story that ties into ME3, but just happens to omit the ME1 LIs.

But the other logic is that BioWare got bored with the ME1 characters and now we have "new and improved" characters to take their place. I highly doubt this to be true, but what does everyone think?

They are trying to write them out because they want nothing even approaching same-sex romance in ME3 and if they just wrote Liara out it would be too obvious.

I have never hoped I was wrong more than I do at this moment.

[Unit-Alpha]

Actually, I believed they confirmed same-sex with Liara in ME3 (to a point).

[Kreid]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote....
But the other logic is that BioWare got bored with the ME1 characters and now we have "new and improved" characters to take their place. I highly doubt this to be true, but what does everyone think?

Well, i don't know about Miranda, i actually think she's pretty much what people ever wanted Ashely to be (smoking hot human female LI) but aside from her, I don't think Jacob is any better than Kaidan, actually he had an interesting past and as cool and interesting Samara/Morinth are, they are certainly way behind Liara as characters IMO.

[GnusmasTHX]

It'd be cool if they let Liara keep singularity. She'd be the only possible party member that has it... Making her awesome.

[Unit-Alpha]

Creid-X wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote....
But the other logic is that BioWare got bored with the ME1 characters and now we have "new and improved" characters to take their place. I highly doubt this to be true, but what does everyone think?

Well, i don't know about Miranda, i actually think she's pretty much what people ever wanted Ashely to be (smoking hot human female LI) but aside from her, I don't think Jacob is any better than Kaidan, actually he had an interesting past and as cool and interesting Samara/Morinth are, they are certainly way behind Liara as characters IMO.

I almost like Miranda better than Ash b/c Miranda's personality changes so much. For me, Jacob is a little better than Kaiden probably because I never played through a FemShep with Kaiden. Samara < Liara obviously.

[Kreid]

Unit-Alpha wrote...
I almost like Miranda better than Ash b/c Miranda's personality changes so much. For me, Jacob is a little better than Kaiden probably because I never played through a FemShep with Kaiden. Samara < Liara obviously.

I prefer Kaidan to Jacob because I think the latter is an extremely static character, unless there are some extreme changes in dialogue if you romance him as a Female Shepard, you know everything about him talking before freedom's hope and in the very first convo in the armory, even his loyality mission was quite uneventful in terms of development.
Kaidan on the other hand I found interesting his past story in jump Zero and such, he didn' have much relevance to the overall plot but I though his character was well written.
Now I'm regretting I killed him in my main playthrough on Virmire 

[Unit-Alpha]

I'm not sure, Kaiden just kinda sounded a bit whiny when I play MaleShep.

[Kreid]

justinnstuff wrote...

Honestly I saw Ashleys reaction long before it happened. I expected her to go around the bend knowing how hot headed she already was. She's still a cool character though.

I laughed so hard when Joker said what I was just thinking.
Joker: "so, she was there in the front line with you in the battle of the Citadel, and now, I AM the one back trying to save the galaxy?"

Modifié par Creid-X, 12 février 2010 - 05:28 .

[Console Cowboy]

i assumed this would be a given. if she isn't i will be very disappointed.

[Mox Ruuga]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I'm not sure, Kaiden just kinda sounded a bit whiny when I play MaleShep.

Truly? This is one complaint of him that I've never quite understood... Not trying to badger you about it, but I sorta see Kaidan as one of the least whiny of the ME squaddies. Esp compared to someone like Garrus. He had hard times in his past, but he's not hung up on it. He may disagree with some of the decisions Shepard (esp. Renegades) makes on the field, but he doesn't IMO whine about them.

The only moments, when he kinda gets frustrated enough that I could see him whining, is when he's complaining about the Council not seeing the true threat about Saren.

Hell, he takes you rejecting him for Liara pretty well too...

But we all have our own opinions.

Personally, I've always liked Kaidan, and have never quite got what it is about him that so turns many gamers off. Perhaps it's because I never played the KOTOR games, where I understand the VA's character was a male LI as well?

EDIT

I guess you meant he sounded whiny in the Horizon scene? Eh, I'd disagree there as well. Angry, and unwilling to listen though, sure. Perhaps even unreasonable, but as with Liara and Ash, Shepard gets the tongue tied syndrome right there and doesn't bother to actually explain or properly convince the ME1 squaddie in question. Very frustrating.

Modifié par Mox Ruuga, 12 février 2010 - 06:34 .

[WilliamShatner]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

good bumpage. Dumb question pending (for bumpage sake) ---> Given how the ME1 LIs have been viewed by the new (and some old) fans, do you all think BioWare intended this, or are they just a casualty of the story in the ME trilogy?

I'm thinking more of a casualty of the trilogy, because I don;t think it was BioWares intention to push them out (ME1 LIs), but rather to tell a different part of the story that ties into ME3, but just happens to omit the ME1 LIs.

But the other logic is that BioWare got bored with the ME1 characters and now we have "new and improved" characters to take their place. I highly doubt this to be true, but what does everyone think?

Personally I think it's a casualty of Drew Karpyshyn leaving as lead writer.  I mean it's can't just be a co-incidence that when he left it sort of went down the drain.  And I think Karpyshyn was Liara's writer as well?

I can't see for the life of me why he would leave something as ambitious and possibly industry defining as the Mass Effect trilogy for an MMO.  Might be a case that nothing really changed when he left, might also be a case of what could have been.

[Nozybidaj]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

good bumpage. Dumb question pending (for bumpage sake) ---> Given how the ME1 LIs have been viewed by the new (and some old) fans, do you all think BioWare intended this, or are they just a casualty of the story in the ME trilogy?

I'm thinking more of a casualty of the trilogy, because I don;t think it was BioWares intention to push them out (ME1 LIs), but rather to tell a different part of the story that ties into ME3, but just happens to omit the ME1 LIs.

But the other logic is that BioWare got bored with the ME1 characters and now we have "new and improved" characters to take their place. I highly doubt this to be true, but what does everyone think?

I think it is much more the later rather than the former.  It would have been just as easy to write the story to include the ME1 LI's in ME2, it would have created a much more consistent story as a bridge to ME3, and it would have been a great opportunity to take these characters they had created and give them a level of development and life that I don't think we would have ever seen in a video game.  Tali and Garrus are great examples of what they "could" have done with these characters.  They simply chose not to.  I do think the intent is for the new crew to be "the" crew heading into ME3.

[Keltoris]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

It'd be cool if they let Liara keep singularity. She'd be the only possible party member that has it... Making her awesome.

Please.

[Mox Ruuga]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Personally I think it's a casualty of Drew Karpyshyn leaving as lead writer.  I mean it's can't just be a co-incidence that when he left it sort of went down the drain.  And I think Karpyshyn was Liara's writer as well?

I can't see for the life of me why he would leave something as ambitious and possibly industry defining as the Mass Effect trilogy for an MMO.  Might be a case that nothing really changed when he left, might also be a case of what could have been.

The change in lead writer is something I've been thinking of... The sequel was more cartoony, more cheesy, less serious than ME1. More of an action movie in space, compared to an epic science fiction space opera.

And Drew was the writer of Liara. Perhaps Mac thought she needed to be GrimDarked along with the rest of the universe? Too bad it resulted in the wrecking of the character beyond all recognition. Someone with a subtler touch should have been given the task, if it really was necessary. They should import someone from the Dragon Age writing team for ME3, for the unthankful job of salvaging characters teetering on the edge.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Personally I think it's a casualty of Drew Karpyshyn leaving as lead writer.  I mean it's can't just be a co-incidence that when he left it sort of went down the drain.  And I think Karpyshyn was Liara's writer as well?

I can't see for the life of me why he would leave something as ambitious and possibly industry defining as the Mass Effect trilogy for an MMO.  Might be a case that nothing really changed when he left, might also be a case of what could have been.

The change in lead writer is something I've been thinking of... The sequel was more cartoony, more cheesy, less serious than ME1. More of an action movie in space, compared to an epic science fiction space opera.

And Drew was the writer of Liara. Perhaps Mac thought she needed to be GrimDarked along with the rest of the universe? Too bad it resulted in the wrecking of the character beyond all recognition. Someone with a subtler touch should have been given the task, if it really was necessary. They should import someone from the Dragon Age writing team for ME3, for the unthankful job of salvaging characters teetering on the edge.

I agree with everything said in this quote.  I really hope they bring Drew back for ME3, or at least to flesh out and write any and all things pertaining to Liara.  Mac's "vision" for Liara is very disturbing if this is the written in stone direction they are taking the character.  This is definitely something to be aware of as we start to see releases of info for DLC and ME3.

[maikanix]

Nozybidaj wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

At least we can talk to her in ME1 for now. (and stand near her in ME2).

Yeah, think I am about done with my last playthrough of ME2, don't see much reason to do anymore once I have my two faithful to Liara runs done (and a Tali one).  Maybe I'll go back and start a new ME1 playthrough to see if I can get this bad taste out of my mouth.

I just finished replaying ME1 again.
Missed Liara.
That DLC better be amazing (and romantic)

[maikanix]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Personally I think it's a casualty of Drew Karpyshyn leaving as lead writer.  I mean it's can't just be a co-incidence that when he left it sort of went down the drain.  And I think Karpyshyn was Liara's writer as well?

I can't see for the life of me why he would leave something as ambitious and possibly industry defining as the Mass Effect trilogy for an MMO.  Might be a case that nothing really changed when he left, might also be a case of what could have been.

The change in lead writer is something I've been thinking of... The sequel was more cartoony, more cheesy, less serious than ME1. More of an action movie in space, compared to an epic science fiction space opera.

And Drew was the writer of Liara. Perhaps Mac thought she needed to be GrimDarked along with the rest of the universe? Too bad it resulted in the wrecking of the character beyond all recognition. Someone with a subtler touch should have been given the task, if it really was necessary. They should import someone from the Dragon Age writing team for ME3, for the unthankful job of salvaging characters teetering on the edge.

I agree with everything said in this quote.  I really hope they bring Drew back for ME3, or at least to flesh out and write any and all things pertaining to Liara.  Mac's "vision" for Liara is very disturbing if this is the written in stone direction they are taking the character.  This is definitely something to be aware of as we start to see releases of info for DLC and ME3.

Oh god. Changes in writers is never a good thing...
I already don't like this mac guy.