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[ComTrav]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Do any of you feel that the decisions you made in ME1 really changed how ME2 worked? Especially concerning Liara? I don't have that feeling. It's just the awkward kiss and the picture on the desk in your cabin that make a difference.  The end of the dialog with Liara always ends the same. You still get the mission.

The LI decision, not much.

Other decisions, more so. The Council decision was a big difference. At first I thought it just mattered in one scene, then I started my kill-the-council playthrough, and there's a great deal more resentment of humans expressed by shopkeepers and the news.

Also, a lot of the ME1 NPCs who I spared on my Paragon playthrough are dead and don't send me email.

Of the returning, non-playable ME1 squadmates, Wrex probably gets the best treatment.

[DigitalMaster37]

Coming in to support Liara. Hey all! good to see the topic still going strong.

[WilliamShatner]

No. I was just talking to my brother about it and we talked about the geth data disc we gave to Tali and whether it meant anything. Nope. Not a damn thing. You get one line of extra dialog but the result is still the same. Sums up what the choices being carried over meant - superficial.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Do any of you feel that the decisions you made in ME1 really changed how ME2 worked? Especially concerning Liara? I don't have that feeling. It's just the awkward kiss and the picture on the desk in your cabin that make a difference.  The end of the dialog with Liara always ends the same. You still get the mission.

No. I haven't imported my Uber Renegade Adept yet. He was an absolute ass to everyone, including Liara. But from what I hear, she will stil tell you "she couldn't let you go", even if you were a complete bastard, and a human centrist Renegade Terra Firma supporter to boot.

Same with Tali. You can be mean to her any way you want in ME1 and she still welcomes you with open arms. You can convince Garrus to walk the paragon path in ME1 and he still becomes a renegade in ME2.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 février 2010 - 03:32 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Taritu wrote...


No.  In almost all cases, it's just superficial.  With Liara you get a kiss with your hug, but otherwise everything is identical. It was kind of irritating.  I wanted to tell my squadmates, "go wait outside" then turn to Liara and say, "It's me, Shepard, and I still love you.  Talk to me!"

I hope there's more branching in ME3.

Heh. Yeah, for all the talk about "emotional engagement", there really are no moments comparable to the meeting with Vigil, "I remember Me", saving of the Destiny Ascension, the last stand of the Virmire casualty, or even the Spectre induction.

And they had a whole game's worth of things they could have called back on, not to mention all the new material they could think up. The emails and news reports were used to tell about things that should have been shown. For example, how much more powerful would it have been to meet the vengeful Corporal Toombs, who couldn't now be reasoned with? Especially for a sole survivor? Imagine having to kill him, because he was now convinced you had been working for Cerberus all along. Or, to stay on topic, something actually dramatic with your LI. All the chest banging "how cinematic" these games are, and the second act of the so called three act romance fell completely flat. There literally was nothing there.

The poorly written, barely there cameo only succeeded in damaging the characters of both Liara and Shepard. It would have been better for the two to not meet at all, and make a proper reunion in the last game.

[Mox Ruuga]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You know... I think a rather like DA:O. Even when all dialog options have been exhausted you can pet the dog and walk to Leliana and say "Let's go to bed".

We should petition the writer of Leliana to moonlight for ME3. Liara's character needs rescuing from the wrecking inflicted on her in ME2 and the comics. Hell, the Shepard-in-love-with-Liara character as well...

[Mox Ruuga]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Same with Tali. You can be mean to her any way you want in ME1 and she still welcomes you with open arms. You can convince Garrus to walk the paragon path in ME1 and he still becomes a renegade in ME2.

Oh boy... I thought at least Tali would remember, because my latest ME2 playthrough had the "remember how I gave you the geth data" dialogue option... Is there at least nothing comparable? Does she even mention you not giving her the data?

Modifié par Mox Ruuga, 12 février 2010 - 03:36 .

[ComTrav]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Same with Tali. You can be mean to her any way you want in ME1 and she still welcomes you with open arms. You can convince Garrus to walk the paragon path in ME1 and he still becomes a renegade in ME2.

Oh boy... I thought at least Tali would remember, because my latest ME2 playthrough had the "remember how I gave you the geth data" dialogue option... Is there at least nothing comparable? Does she even mention you not giving her the data?

You just don't have the dialogue option.

Stupid Mako-centric sidequest, and Tali couldn't take parts from any of the other thousands of Geth I killed the whole game.

[WilliamShatner]

My two favourite carry-overs where Shiala and the asari rachni messenger. The rachni reference was a nice surprise because I wasn't expecting it to be touched upon until ME3.



I'm struggling to think of any others that I liked.

[Deamon023]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Shizly wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...Nope, sorry! I like Miranda better than either G or (especially) T!

Jacob... yeah, he's no Kaidan replacement. Tolerable, but expendable.

Still, I see no reason for Garrus and Tali to get more episodes in my squad than Liara, Kaidan, Ash, and Wrex. Two games for each is enough.

Garrus and Tali rockz more than Liara, Kaidan and Ash together. That's proberly why. Wrex is nice, but not that good as Grunt.

Well, thats not unexpected since Garrus and Tali (and Wrex) actually had character development in ME2 instead of being ignored or having a hatchet job done on them.

Very true, so now like Mox said is someone else's turn,  hm... Liara?

[ComTrav]

WilliamShatner wrote...

My two favourite carry-overs where Shiala and the asari rachni messenger. The rachni reference was a nice surprise because I wasn't expecting it to be touched upon until ME3.

I'm struggling to think of any others that I liked.

....Konrad Verner? (Bugged as he was?)

[Nynaeve]

To be honest, even though Liara was foibled (yes I just said foibled) with regard to how they treated her character, Shephard wasn't much better, I felt like shouting at my femShep at times..

"stop being so cold and give her a hug already you frigid cow!"

*sighs heavily*

[AngryFrozenWater]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You know... I think a rather like DA:O. Even when all dialog options have been exhausted you can pet the dog and walk to Leliana and say "Let's go to bed".

We should petition the writer of Leliana to moonlight for ME3. Liara's character needs rescuing from the wrecking inflicted on her in ME2 and the comics. Hell, the Shepard-in-love-with-Liara character as well...

A while back another forum member and me joked how great it would be if Leliana was brought into the ME2 universe. I carried a sig for a while that said something like "I would pay 800 BioWare points for a Leliane ME2 DLC. If the Dragon Armor could make it then so can Leliana. All it requires is a little Blood Magic, the Fade and the Mu Relay."

[Deamon023]

ComTrav wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Same with Tali. You can be mean to her any way you want in ME1 and she still welcomes you with open arms. You can convince Garrus to walk the paragon path in ME1 and he still becomes a renegade in ME2.

Oh boy... I thought at least Tali would remember, because my latest ME2 playthrough had the "remember how I gave you the geth data" dialogue option... Is there at least nothing comparable? Does she even mention you not giving her the data?

You just don't have the dialogue option.

Stupid Mako-centric sidequest, and Tali couldn't take parts from any of the other thousands of Geth I killed the whole game.

Don't forget Quarians have huge and lots of pockets

[WilliamShatner]

ComTrav wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

My two favourite carry-overs where Shiala and the asari rachni messenger. The rachni reference was a nice surprise because I wasn't expecting it to be touched upon until ME3.

I'm struggling to think of any others that I liked.

....Konrad Verner? (Bugged as he was?)

No.  Verner bares my wrath for getting a bigger role than any ME1 LI.  Ridiculous.

[Mox Ruuga]

frij wrote...

To be honest, even though Liara was foibled (yes I just said foibled) with regard to how they treated her character, Shephard wasn't much better, I felt like shouting at my femShep at times..
"stop being so cold and give her a hug already you frigid cow!"
*sighs heavily*

Indeed. That's why we thought up possible Paragon and Renegade interrupts to stop Liara's blathering about her vendetta, her friend, and her new job, and force her to tell Shepard she either still loves him/her, or to break up with him/her then and there.

...goddamn chicken legged varmint got the hug interrupt, what did we get?

[AngryFrozenWater]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Same
with Tali. You can be mean to her any way you want in ME1 and she still welcomes you with open arms. You can convince Garrus to walk the paragon path in ME1 and he still becomes a renegade in ME2.

Oh boy... I thought at least Tali would remember, because my latest ME2 playthrough had the "remember how I gave you the geth data" dialogue option... Is there at least nothing comparable? Does she even mention you not giving her the data?

Well...

WilliamShatner wrote...

No. I was just talking to my brother about it and we talked about the geth data disc we gave to Tali and whether it meant anything. Nope. Not a damn thing. You get one line of extra dialog but the result is still the same. Sums up what the choices being carried over meant - superficial.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 février 2010 - 03:55 .

[bjdbwea]

WilliamShatner wrote...

No.  Verner bares my wrath for getting a bigger role than any ME1 LI.  Ridiculous.

Really makes you question what the developers were thinking, doesn't it.

[Deamon023]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

frij wrote...

To be honest, even though Liara was foibled (yes I just said foibled) with regard to how they treated her character, Shephard wasn't much better, I felt like shouting at my femShep at times..
"stop being so cold and give her a hug already you frigid cow!"
*sighs heavily*

I thought that too. All you get is "Good to see you, Liara".

Then I reasoned that they simply couldn't have left it at that, and that there WILL be Liara DLC.

As I said before, I'll stick my neck out and say that there will be Liara DLC once the final issue of Redemption is released. That will provide Liara's ME2 character development, and Shepard will finally show her some frigging love.

If not I'll Falcon punch my Shep a few times till he apologizes to Liara.

[Ygolnac]

I want liara back too!!!!

Missing her sooo much, since i played ME1 right before ME2 the normandy SR2 now seems sooo empty to me without liara!!!!

By fortune there's tali!!! But it's not enough!!!!! I want Liara too!!!!!

[AngryFrozenWater]

General Stubbs wrote...

It is unfortunate that BioWare decided to use the same dialogue for those who did and did not romance Liara.
I don't understand what would make them do something like that. BioWare seems to like Liara, so it is definitely a strange decision on their part to do that.
I am assuming it was the writers fault. I mean, just because Liara appears to be cold doesn't mean she should stop loving Shepard anymore.
I agree, it seems as if BioWare was trying to make ME2 more like a shooter. They were too focused on the action of the game but not on the emotional or storytelling part of it.
It is kind of saddening to go to Illium and see Liara now as there is no romantic reunion with her. Since BioWare tried to make ME2 into more of a shooter, hopefully they got the sales they wanted and will put out the Liara DLC that we want as we want a game with great a great story and Liara throughout. (the shooter fans will have most likely gone back to CD: MW2 by now, lol).

Damn that Joker for trying to save the Normandy.
No offense to any Joker lovers out there, but if there had been a renegade option to leave him and escape with Liara, I would have taken it without question.
Maybe Joker is the SB? He never says anything about Liara so he could be afraid of her. He is left unchecked by anyone on the Normandy and he is even always trying to turn off EDI (he doesn't want anyone to witness his nefarious deeds). lol.

This is without doubt the greatest conspiracy theory ever. It makes John Titor, the Illuminati and the Greys pale in comparison.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 février 2010 - 04:02 .

[WilliamShatner]

General Stubbs wrote...


Damn that Joker for trying to save the Normandy.
No offense to any Joker lovers out there, but if there had been a renegade option to leave him and escape with Liara, I would have taken it without question.
Maybe Joker is the SB? He never says anything about Liara so he could be afraid of her. He is left unchecked by anyone on the Normandy and he is even always trying to turn off EDI (he doesn't want anyone to witness his nefarious deeds). lol.

Yeah, **** Joker.  If it wasn't for that whiny smart-ass, Shepard would be alive with Liara and none of this dead, two years later, working with Cerberus BS would have happened.

Where's my "The pilot goes down with the ship!" option???

[Mox Ruuga]

I've seen several people state by now, that the devs seem to like Liara.

Where are you getting this impression?

I remember seeing some dev comment that Jack was his or her favorite, and someone else I recall liking Grunt the best, but Liara?

Why would Bioware wreck her like they did, and give her such a nothing role if they liked her specifically, above the average squaddie? More likely to me, they are in the process of sweeping the ME1 LIs under the rug, or at least moving them away from the important squaddie roles. Oh, I don't doubt we'll see them in ME3. Hell, we may end up getting a "Liara" DLC too. But I'm willing to bet her new role as a "Barla Von" and aspiring Shadow Broker replacment to be is here to stay.