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[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Okay, I am back exclusively to the Liara threads for a while and will take a more active role going forward in here to continue to push the Liara support. First things first. That 6 page intro to issue# 6 says a lot IMO. If I thought we were getting DLC before, I definitely think so now. It just seems....right.

What makes you say this?  Just a hunch?

Yeah, it's more a hunch than anything else. Then again, maybe it's just me being scared. But in the short dialog I've seen, they are gaining a cohesiveness that is making me a little uneasy. I know dangersous missions have a way of bringing people together, but it is still making me a little too uneasy, call me the jealous type.

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Now based on what we have all seen, is there a "thing" going on with Feron? It seems she has reached an uncomfortable(for me) level of comfort(for her) with him. Did anyone else catch this vibe?

 

Liara does seem to be comfortable with Feron to an extent, but I still don't think she trusts him.  I think Liara's just coming out of her shell more b/c she has to do so in order to find Shepard.  Since Feron is the one helping her, she has to be sociable with him.  I still don't think there is anything going on between them.  It would be odd for them to throw it in at this point, with Shepard only being dead for a month and Liara only knowing Feron for probably a week.  If you think about it, not much time has passed in the comic series.

While Feron might be interested in Liara (because she's attractive and is a sweetheart), it would be poor writing if Liara was so suddenly interested in him.

I agree, I can tell she is still a little standoffish, but she is warming up to him slightly.

Overall I agree with you though, it wouldn't seem right for them to have anything going on. I guess I just fear what the next two issues have in store for us. And finally, yes I definitely see Feron way more interested in Liara than She in him.

[jlb524]

The wisest thing would be to keep the Liara/Feron relationship platonic. Fans who did not romance Liara won't give a crap, and those that did romance Liara won't be upset.



If they were to have a romantic relationship, fans who did not romance Liara still probably wouldn't give a crap (maybe some would like it though, who knows), but those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.



Given the two options, the first seems the wisest.

[maikanix]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Yeah that is what I'm talking about, but she also didn't rebuttal against him. Now I'm the last person to think there is a thing between them, but things got a little too "comfortable" with them.

The "sit on my lap" thing felt, to me, like just a way to make him seem a little sleazy, and more obviously a criminal-type (or stereotype). He said "...but I don't want to get blasted again." It's clear that she would never think about it. He's just being himself. There are characters like him in stories everywhere. Flirting with girls for no reason. *shrug*. Liara's loyal. I love that moment in the comic when he "accidentally" fell on top of her, but all she can say is "Get off me! I've got to find....Shepard!". Liara doesn't even think that way. He's a friend. She's too attached to Shepard, I think. Mentally, emotionally. Even if she doesn't need to be with him. Like she said in ME1, it's a mental 'mating' not a physical one.

Or I hope so anyway.
But I wouldn't be broken up at all if he died. He's too stereotypical, and a little annoying so far. It's just Liara's nature to care though, so I can't fault her for feeling guilty for his death/capture/torture.  
And I agree (or hope) that it was a choice between him and Shepard, and she chose Shepard. That would make me happy.

If he is alive, I hope there's a renegade action to punch him when he inevitably hits on Liara in front of me.

Modifié par maikanix, 13 février 2010 - 03:44 .

[KainrycKarr]

jlb524 wrote...

The wisest thing would be to keep the Liara/Feron relationship platonic. Fans who did not romance Liara won't give a crap, and those that did romance Liara won't be upset.

If they were to have a romantic relationship, fans who did not romance Liara still probably wouldn't give a crap (maybe some would like it though, who knows), but those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

Given the two options, the first seems the wisest.

You are correct. Liara engaging with randomDrellfromcomicbook would make people like me even less interested.

It would be a bad move for Bioware. Personally, I feel keeping Liara attached to Shepard, even for a little while after death, would make her a stronger character.

Just this guy's opinion.

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

The wisest thing would be to keep the Liara/Feron relationship platonic. Fans who did not romance Liara won't give a crap, and those that did romance Liara won't be upset.

If they were to have a romantic relationship, fans who did not romance Liara still probably wouldn't give a crap (maybe some would like it though, who knows), but those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

Given the two options, the first seems the wisest.

Agreed, and to have Liara fall for him would in fact isolate the Liara fans.

I got to thinking though and what if she did fall for him, would it add some tension that will breed a very good relationship conflict or as we put it "angst" that would bring about a lot of emotion from those of us who love her. It would certainly solicit one of two actions from us her fans. On one hand, some of us will fight for her love back and others will just get angry and just be like "pfft" forget her. Yet, I think there is so much more negativity tied to that type of scenario to be beneficial. I think like you, BioWare wouldn;t do that, but it was an interesting thought. Yet I am against it.

[morrie23]

If the one thing ME2 Liara teaches us is that she cares/loves Shep no matter if she was romanced in ME1, no random drell will not change that... I hope.

[DigitalMaster37]

maikanix wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Yeah that is what I'm talking about, but she also didn't rebuttal against him. Now I'm the last person to think there is a thing between them, but things got a little too "comfortable" with them.

The "sit on my lap" thing felt, to me, like just a way to make him seem a little sleazy, and more obviously a criminal-type (or stereotype). He said "...but I don't want to get blasted again." It's clear that she would never think about it. He's just being himself. There are characters like him in stories everywhere. Flirting with girls for no reason. *shrug*. Liara's loyal. I love that moment in the comic when he "accidentally" fell on top of her, but all she can say is "Get off me! I've got to find....Shepard!". Liara doesn't even think that way. He's a friend. She's too attached to Shepard, I think. Mentally, emotionally. Even if she doesn't need to be with him. Like she said in ME1, it's a mental 'mating' not a physical one.

Or I hope so anyway.
But I wouldn't be broken up at all if he died. He's too stereotypical, and a little annoying so far. It's just Liara's nature to care though, so I can't fault her for feeling guilty for his death/capture/torture.  
And I agree (or hope) that it was a choice between him and Shepard, and she chose Shepard. That would make me happy.

If he is alive, I hope there's a renegade action to punch him when he inevitably hits on Liara in front of me.

I think that is a good view on it. It could easily just be his personality coming out.

And I do agree that Liara is far to occupied trying to save us to even be bother with this type of thing. That alone puts to rest my fears. With the whole reason she is there, it is not plausible that she has time for an emotional rollercoaster like that. specially when she is preoccupied. The thing that worries me though, is that according to canon, she cannot be in love with Shepard for canon sake. This leaves room for potential as it relates to those who did not romance Liara, but as Walters' said, this is canon, so this story may involve her being the love interest of Shepard.

[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The wisest thing would be to keep the Liara/Feron relationship platonic. Fans who did not romance Liara won't give a crap, and those that did romance Liara won't be upset.

If they were to have a romantic relationship, fans who did not romance Liara still probably wouldn't give a crap (maybe some would like it though, who knows), but those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

Given the two options, the first seems the wisest.

You are correct. Liara engaging with randomDrellfromcomicbook would make people like me even less interested.

It would be a bad move for Bioware. Personally, I feel keeping Liara attached to Shepard, even for a little while after death, would make her a stronger character.

Just this guy's opinion.

It is good to get that from your perspective. Again I really don't think BioWare regardless if you romanced her or not.

[Sharn01]

I highly doubt there will be a fling between them, no professional writer no matter how awful he is would even consider that an option for a character that the series planned to take seriously.



If it did happen then we can just count on Bioware to consider Liara their inside joke character that is not to be taken seriously from that point on. It would ****** me off since I am a Liara fan, but lets face it, she is the results of her writer's and if they see her as a stupid floozy who can not commit to anything, then that is how they will always write her.

[jlb524]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I got to thinking though and what if she did fall for him, would it add some tension that will breed a very good relationship conflict or as we put it "angst" that would bring about a lot of emotion from those of us who love her.

I actually wouldn't mind Liara falling for someone else after Shepard's been dead, if it's done properly.  It would have to happen over a longer period of time and Liara would have to believe Shepard was dead.  Neither of these are the case.

Her falling for a new person she's only known for a week, just one month after a lover has died just doesn't sit well with me.

Even if Shepard wasn't Liara's lover, it wouldn't make sense for her to fall for someone she's known for only a week.

[Maria Caliban]

jlb524 wrote...

...those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

I wouldn't be pissed. Royally, or democratically.

Liara is a young woman spent the last year racing around the universe trying to save the galaxy from extinction, her mother was corrupted and died, and two months ago she saw her first love die horribly from an attack by an unknown alien ship.

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

I got to thinking though and what if she did fall for him, would it add some tension that will breed a very good relationship conflict or as we put it "angst" that would bring about a lot of emotion from those of us who love her.

I actually wouldn't mind Liara falling for someone else after Shepard's been dead, if it's done properly.  It would have to happen over a longer period of time and Liara would have to believe Shepard was dead.  Neither of these are the case.

Her falling for a new person she's only known for a week, just one month after a lover has died just doesn't sit well with me.

Even if Shepard wasn't Liara's lover, it wouldn't make sense for her to fall for someone she's known for only a week.

Yeah if they were to actually do it, they would need to be spotless with the logic and surrounding circumstances. But that just doesn't sit well with me anyway, so I'm with you, let's just keep her in love with us and everything is perfectly fine

[Nozybidaj]

Maria Caliban wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

...those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

I wouldn't be pissed. Royally, or democratically.

Liara is a young woman spent the last year racing around the universe trying to save the galaxy from extinction, her mother was corrupted and died, and two months ago she saw her first love die horribly from an attack by an unknown alien ship.

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

You really don't think Liara sleeping with someone else she has known for a few days a month after her lover died is out of character or wrong?  Someone kick her out of the Liara group.

[DigitalMaster37]

Maria Caliban wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

...those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

I wouldn't be pissed. Royally, or democratically.

Liara is a young woman spent the last year racing around the universe trying to save the galaxy from extinction, her mother was corrupted and died, and two months ago she saw her first love die horribly from an attack by an unknown alien ship.

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

I almost choked when you said that, lol. can you imagine those pretty eyes going black with someone else???

OMG I just nearly flipped out....the thought alone almost made me faint in dispair...

[DigitalMaster37]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

...those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

I wouldn't be pissed. Royally, or democratically.

Liara is a young woman spent the last year racing around the universe trying to save the galaxy from extinction, her mother was corrupted and died, and two months ago she saw her first love die horribly from an attack by an unknown alien ship.

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

You really don't think Liara sleeping with someone else she has known for a few days a month after her lover died is out of character or wrong?  Someone kick her out of the Liara group.

Actually Maria is a good friend, she'll be going nowhere....and she's the one who started the thread...

lol

[Nozybidaj]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

....and she's the one who started the thread...

lol

I'm aware of that.

[jlb524]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

You're right.  However, most of Liara's fanbase wouldn't be as understanding.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

You're right.  However, most of Liara's fanbase wouldn't be as understanding.

You know what.  I'm going to leave this thread now.

[KumoriOokami]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

...those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

I wouldn't be pissed. Royally, or democratically.

Liara is a young woman spent the last year racing around the universe trying to save the galaxy from extinction, her mother was corrupted and died, and two months ago she saw her first love die horribly from an attack by an unknown alien ship.

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

I almost choked when you said that, lol. can you imagine those pretty eyes going black with someone else???

OMG I just nearly flipped out....the thought alone almost made me faint in dispair...

Well I wouldn't be thrilled with Liara picking up boy cooties while I was dead, but I guess even for an asari two years could seem like a long time...

[Sharn01]

Maria Caliban wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

...those that did romance Liara will be royally pissed.

I wouldn't be pissed. Royally, or democratically.

Liara is a young woman spent the last year racing around the universe trying to save the galaxy from extinction, her mother was corrupted and died, and two months ago she saw her first love die horribly from an attack by an unknown alien ship.

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

It does not seem odd to have an affair with some one while on a mission to bring your lost lover back to life?  That is...odd, to say the least. 

According to Liara's own word's from ME1 Asari to not take relationships frivilously, they get a bad reputation though because of the way they reproduce.

Modifié par Sharn01, 13 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Asari are a sensual species. Liara has no one right now. I don’t think slipping in bed with Feron is out of character or wrong.

You're right.  However, most of Liara's fanbase wouldn't be as understanding.

You know what.  I'm going to leave this thread now.

don't take offense, no need to leave...

[jlb524]

If we're going to talk about Liara just having sex with someone else while Shepard's gone, that's different. I wouldn't be shocked if she did.



Now, falling in love with someone else in such a short time period would be hard for me to believe.

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

If we're going to talk about Liara just having sex with someone else while Shepard's gone, that's different. I wouldn't be shocked if she did.

Now, falling in love with someone else in such a short time period would be hard for me to believe.

Great point, but even the casual sex has to hurt the heart a bit no?

Well maybe that's just me, but I definitely see your point, better it's casual sex rather than sex and walking away with her heart too. That would stink in unimaginable ways.

[speedy111280]

I seriously doubt Liara will be hooking up with Feron. The vibe is totally not there from her side. Remember how Liara acted around Shepard? She's not acting like that with Feron. It reads as she's only tolerating him in order to achieve her goal of getting Shepard's body back. She may not be quite as hostile to him anymore but she's not going to be "embracing eternity" with him. Feron seems to be a bit of a sleaze but that should be expected as he is one of the less savory agents of the Shadow Broker and Liara doesn't exactly trust him. You can be nice, even friendly with someone you don't trust. With the lengths she is going to in order to get Shepard's body back on the off chance that Cerberus might be able to bring Shepard back to life, there is no way she would jeopardize her shot at getting Shepard back just to have a fling with one of the Shadow Broker's untrustworthy agents. Until Feron actually gets captured/killed trying to help her she has no reason to trust he won't turn her over to the Shadow Broker. And no matter what race she is Liara is far too loyal and most likely far too much in love with Shepard to risk that.  It would be a different story if it were to happen in the two years Cerberus is putting Shepard back together but during this time frame it would be rather unlikely.

Modifié par speedy111280, 13 février 2010 - 04:43 .

[jlb524]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Great point, but even the casual sex has to hurt the heart a bit no?

Well maybe that's just me, but I definitely see your point, better it's casual sex rather than sex and walking away with her heart too. That would stink in unimaginable ways.

Who knows if she's going to have casual sex during those two years.  The writers are not going to depict just 'casual sex' in the comic, however.   They would only depict a 'romance' and I really don't think that is going to happen given the short time.

Remember, 85% of Shepard's that romanced Liara are having sex with someone else in ME2 (Miranda, Tali, Kelly, Jack, maybe even one of the guys).  And as far as Shepard is concerned, it hasn't been 2 years since they've being with Liara, only a few months.  BTW,  I made that percentage up, but it seems like a lot of Shepards have cheated on Liara.   If Shepard has needs, so does Liara.  And they can't get together and help each other out with those 'needs' in ME2 for some odd reason.