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[Sharn01]

They did a poll earlier on the forums and of the 233 people who romanced Liara, 93 stayed faithful in ME2. Probably pretty good number's all things considered.

[jlb524]

Sharn01 wrote...

They did a poll earlier on the forums and of the 233 people who romanced Liara, 93 stayed faithful in ME2. Probably pretty good number's all things considered.

That's almost 40% loyal and 60% not, if that poll is trustworthy.  It just seems like a lot of Shepard's picked a new LI.

[Urazz]

Sharn01 wrote...

They did a poll earlier on the forums and of the 233 people who romanced Liara, 93 stayed faithful in ME2. Probably pretty good number's all things considered.

Compare it to the human LI's in ME1 and then we'll see.  Probably is pretty good though.  Personally, I think it's easier to stay loyal to Liara than it is to Ashley and Kaiden as your reunion with Liara didn't turn out bad with her accusing you of being a traitor by working with Cerberus.

[Vayrand]

jlb524 wrote...

If we're going to talk about Liara just having sex with someone else while Shepard's gone, that's different. I wouldn't be shocked if she did.

Now, falling in love with someone else in such a short time period would be hard for me to believe.

From my point of view, I don't see Liara as a typical promiscious asari. I believe she has a very deep commitment to our Shepard. I just don't see her as the type to be bed hopping around while Shepard isn't around. It's just out of her character. If she cares so much about Shepard even if he was dead, I can't see her having a fling with Feron. I don't see how Liara has that particular "need".

She has a top priority of getting Shepard back, that is the only thing running through her mind. When I saw her calling out "Shepard" as the ship flew away at the end of the second issue, it just adds to how much Shepard means to her, and its quite sad seeing her in that scene.

As previous posters said, we're already three comic issues in, and there is yet any concrete evidence to point Liara is hot over heels over Feron. I find it very bizarre if they have to a fling right inside the SB's base. I don't see the game's writers doing something so absurb as that.

Now that's just my view, feel free to rebut or correct me.

[Unit-Alpha]

jlb524 wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

They did a poll earlier on the forums and of the 233 people who romanced Liara, 93 stayed faithful in ME2. Probably pretty good number's all things considered.

That's almost 40% loyal and 60% not, if that poll is trustworthy.  It just seems like a lot of Shepard's picked a new LI.

Yeah, but there are those who romanced someone else once in ME2 and remained loyal on all others (like me). Kinda skews the results even more.

[jlb524]

Vayrand wrote...

From my point of view, I don't see Liara as a typical promiscious asari. I believe she has a very deep commitment to our Shepard. I just don't see her as the type to be bed hopping around while Shepard isn't around. It's just out of her character. If she cares so much about Shepard even if he was dead, I can't see her having a fling with Feron. I don't see how Liara has that particular "need".

She wouldn't necesarrily be bed-hopping and sleeping with everyone she would meet, just a one time thing.  I don't believe this is going to happen in the comic or with Feron.  It's too short of a time and they're not going to show a random hookup in a comic.  I'm just saying I wouldn't blame her for having sex with another during the 2 year time-period that Shepard is 'dead'.

[jlb524]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yeah, but there are those who romanced someone else once in ME2 and remained loyal on all others (like me). Kinda skews the results even more.

How did you handle that in the vote?  Did you vote once for each of your Shepards?  I really didn't do any of the ME2 romances, so I just voted for my main Shepard who was loyal to Liara.

But those results are going to be skewed anyways since one person can vote as many times as they want.

[Vayrand]

jlb524 wrote...

She wouldn't necesarrily be bed-hopping and sleeping with everyone she would meet, just a one time thing.  I don't believe this is going to happen in the comic or with Feron.  It's too short of a time and they're not going to show a random hookup in a comic.  I'm just saying I wouldn't blame her for having sex with another during the 2 year time-period that Shepard is 'dead'.

Well she does know that Cerberus would eventually rebuilt Shepard and bring him back from the dead. Plus wouldn't she be busy trying to pay off the debts she incurred to have time to think about having some fling? I understand something could happen in that 2 year time, but I don't think Liara would do that. I doubt she wants to hurt Shepard anymore than she feels like she has.

[Nastrod]

jlb524 wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

They did a poll earlier on the forums and of the 233 people who romanced Liara, 93 stayed faithful in ME2. Probably pretty good number's all things considered.

That's almost 40% loyal and 60% not, if that poll is trustworthy.  It just seems like a lot of Shepard's picked a new LI.

Since Liara is not there I am sure many people tried a new LI for their first playthru and will do at least one more before ME3 or DLC to stay faithful.

[Mox Ruuga]

The vile, vomitous desert reptile needs to die, now more than ever. Who does he think he is, a lizard Han Solo?

Something about the whole starship chase thing rubbed me the wrong way... doesn't seem like Mass Effect, more like something out of Star Wars. Hell, the sentries smashing into meteorites is straight out of Empire Strikes Back.

If there is a Liara DLC, and the desert lizard is in it, there better be an option to leave his corpse on the base.

As for Liara having affairs during Shepard's down time? Yes, if not romanced. No, if romanced. She knows they are trying to bring him/her back to life. Meeting Shepard clearly awoke her... needs, that she had been unaware of during her solitary archeologist years. If Shepard turned her down, I could see her seeking someone else out. If she and Shepard became lovers, no way is she going to turn elsewhere when she knows Shepard is being brought back.

It would actually have been a neat characterization moment, to show Liara having someone she's clearly intimate with by her side in ME2, if there was no Liara romance imported. Would have been a good way to show character growth, certainly better than the out of nowhere 180 towards GrimDark. But we all know the level of effort the devs went to with the ME1 LIs.

[jlb524]

Vayrand wrote...

Well she does know that Cerberus would eventually rebuilt Shepard and bring him back from the dead. Plus wouldn't she be busy trying to pay off the debts she incurred to have time to think about having some fling? I understand something could happen in that 2 year time, but I don't think Liara would do that. I doubt she wants to hurt Shepard anymore than she feels like she has.

I don't know if she will or she won't.  I'm just saying that the Shepard I roleplay wouldn't hold it against her if she got drunk one night and hooked up with a random asari.  In her state of grief, I wouldn't be surprised if she did this. 

An emotional attachement would be different though.   If Liara were to fall head over heels with another, that could cause some problems between Shepard and her.  I don't see that happening, though.

[Unit-Alpha]

jlb524 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yeah, but there are those who romanced someone else once in ME2 and remained loyal on all others (like me). Kinda skews the results even more.

How did you handle that in the vote?  Did you vote once for each of your Shepards?  I really didn't do any of the ME2 romances, so I just voted for my main Shepard who was loyal to Liara.

But those results are going to be skewed anyways since one person can vote as many times as they want.

I just voted loyal b/c the Shep I romanced Miranda on was the one I was just experimenting on was just my fun playthrough at the beginning.

[Mox Ruuga]

A bit off topic, but it is interesting to see how some Bioware devs feel about some of the choices made by the writing team for ME2:

http://social.biowar...ex/1168396&lf=8

[Sharn01]

Where are you guys getting this Asari are promiscuous stuff from?



The game has never made them out to be any more then human's are in general, I am sure some are very promiscuous, and others like Liara are not.



If you are going by stripper's then just stop, if you have a club and want exotic dancer's, I think the best choice would be ones that all races have a tendency to find attractive.

[jlb524]

Sharn01 wrote...

Where are you guys getting this Asari are promiscuous stuff from?

No one is saying asari (or Liara) are promiscuous...I'm not at least.

[Sharn01]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Here's the numbers from that survey thread done earlier today....make of it what you will.

Love Interests
ME1
233 people chose Liara
156 people chose Ashley
112 people chose none
48 people chose Kaidan

ME2
209 people chose Tali
104 people chose Miranda
93 people stayed loyal to Liara (chose nobody)
40 people stayed loyal to Ashley (chose nobody)
29 people stayed loyal to Kaidan (chose nobody)
25 people chose Garrus
21 people chose Jack
15 people chose no one at all
12 people chose Thane
1 person chose Jacob

From another post earlier where they did a survey since you asked about the human LI loyalty also.

[Deamon023]

jlb524 wrote...

Vayrand wrote...

Well she does know that Cerberus would eventually rebuilt Shepard and bring him back from the dead. Plus wouldn't she be busy trying to pay off the debts she incurred to have time to think about having some fling? I understand something could happen in that 2 year time, but I don't think Liara would do that. I doubt she wants to hurt Shepard anymore than she feels like she has.

I don't know if she will or she won't.  I'm just saying that the Shepard I roleplay wouldn't hold it against her if she got drunk one night and hooked up with a random asari.  In her state of grief, I wouldn't be surprised if she did this. 

An emotional attachement would be different though.   If Liara were to fall head over heels with another, that could cause some problems between Shepard and her.  I don't see that happening, though.

Take out the "other" = problem solved  (playing to long with my renegade I think )

[maikanix]

jlb524 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Great point, but even the casual sex has to hurt the heart a bit no?

Well maybe that's just me, but I definitely see your point, better it's casual sex rather than sex and walking away with her heart too. That would stink in unimaginable ways.

Who knows if she's going to have casual sex during those two years.  The writers are not going to depict just 'casual sex' in the comic, however.   They would only depict a 'romance' and I really don't think that is going to happen given the short time.

Remember, 85% of Shepard's that romanced Liara are having sex with someone else in ME2 (Miranda, Tali, Kelly, Jack, maybe even one of the guys).  And as far as Shepard is concerned, it hasn't been 2 years since they've being with Liara, only a few months.  BTW,  I made that percentage up, but it seems like a lot of Shepards have cheated on Liara.   If Shepard has needs, so does Liara.  And they can't get together and help each other out with those 'needs' in ME2 for some odd reason.

Eh. It's more complicated than "needs." When you romance someone else, you put the picture face down. (right? haven't actually done it..). That implies that Shepard is consciously cheating, and moving on, not just 'having a fling' or fulfilling needs. The ME2 romance IS a romance. (except, I suppose, in the case of Kelly. Whatever that is.) 

As for not being able to fulfill eachother's needs. It's not about that for Liara either. It's a mental 'mating'. Emotional. "Not about sex" is what she said. Again, I don't believe she thinks that way.

And I've said it already, but I'll say it again. Liara isn't the stereotypical asari. She doesn't think in terms of sensuality. Unless the writers radically change her character, it's just not that much of a possibility. I like to think of her as an asari like the one who was crying because she had lost that pendant(?) that belonged to her bond-mate, rather than the bartender who jokes about having sex on the bar.

And about the idea of the comic being canon, I have some thoughts. It will just remain painfully neutral in terms of love/adoring friend. So that it's capable of being canon, whatever choices the player makes or has made. Obviously it was conceived with love in mind, but it won't even make a distinction explicitly. (of course, in my mind it will always be love. She couldn't live without me, so she did everything to get me back, etc).


....
Ahem. To go way out on a limb from my previous comments. I've been thinking about the asari's "natural" biotic ability, and the fact that they were the first race to discover the citadel and mass effect technology. I keep wondering if the asari, as a culture, is involved somehow...and by extention Liara. Sort of hoping that I can chose to destroy the galaxy in order to save Liara. That would be a great game....or some dramatic choice to make, where the choice is between Liara and X disaster. 
Maybe I'm just crazy. But that last...would be a nice end.
.....

[AeradinME2]

Yeh Liara's definetly got the strongest chance of anyone of the original crew of making a return:



1. shes the only character from both the 1st and 2nd game that cannot possibly die

2. Her search for the shadowbroker not being resolved in the 2nd one only furthers the chance you'll be the one to help her track them down.

3.If she has remained your LI through the 2nd one I think bioware stated Li from the 1st game would only be sidelined during the 2nd game because it was a suicide mission.

4. We need our sexy Asari back

[Sharn01]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

No way they're going to have Liara have a fling with Feron. That'll be a character assassination on her to the extent that I'll just say "Forget this", and go and play something else.

I think we're all going to look back on this in a couple of months and wonder what the hell we're all worrying about.

We are being pessimistic, but that attitude is not really unjustified after what happened to her in ME2.

Most of us really want to be proven wrong.

[WilliamShatner]

Sharn01 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Here's the numbers from that survey thread done earlier today....make of it what you will.

Love Interests
ME1
233 people chose Liara
156 people chose Ashley
112 people chose none
48 people chose Kaidan

ME2
209 people chose Tali
104 people chose Miranda
93 people stayed loyal to Liara (chose nobody)
40 people stayed loyal to Ashley (chose nobody)
29 people stayed loyal to Kaidan (chose nobody)
25 people chose Garrus
21 people chose Jack
15 people chose no one at all
12 people chose Thane
1 person chose Jacob

From another post earlier where they did a survey since you asked about the human LI loyalty also.

Well done BioWare.  Great choice of a LI there.

[Mox Ruuga]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think though that (currently) the way she is handled in ME2 is precisely because of the comic and the forthcoming DLC. We don't know much at the moment because it would spoil the comic, and whichever way you look at it BioWare certainly don't want to do that.

Wait until the comic and DLC content is released. If things don't improve after that, then I'll be just as anxious and upset a alot of the rest of you.

The comic and DLC are, again, optional extra content.

We are paying customers, just like the Talimancers and female Garrus fans. We are perfectly justified in complaining about the poor quality of the core product, when it comes to content that is of particular interest to us.

Tohugh I admire your optimism, I just have no trust in Bioware on this issue. At all. They deliberately wrecked the ME1 LIs in the ME2 core product, and as customers, we are making our displeasure heard. Now is the time to do that, before the grand plans about ME3 are set in stone. If we wait for months and months, in vain hopes that some hypothetical DLC may bring us everything we hoped for, it will be far too late when that fails to materialize, or is yet another poorly written GrimDark UnLiara appearance.

[Deamon023]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think though that (currently) the way she is handled in ME2 is precisely because of the comic and the forthcoming DLC. We don't know much at the moment because it would spoil the comic, and whichever way you look at it BioWare certainly don't want to do that.

Wait until the comic and DLC content is released. If things don't improve after that, then I'll be just as anxious and upset a alot of the rest of you.

The comic and DLC are, again, optional extra content.

We are paying customers, just like the Talimancers and female Garrus fans. We are perfectly justified in complaining about the poor quality of the core product, when it comes to content that is of particular interest to us.

Tohugh I admire your optimism, I just have no trust in Bioware on this issue. At all. They deliberately wrecked the ME1 LIs in the ME2 core product, and as customers, we are making our displeasure heard. Now is the time to do that, before the grand plans about ME3 are set in stone. If we wait for months and months, in vain hopes that some hypothetical DLC may bring us everything we hoped for, it will be far too late when that fails to materialize, or is yet another poorly written GrimDark UnLiara appearance.

I totally agree with Mox, but I'am also a very patience positive desert lizard

Modifié par Deamon023, 13 février 2010 - 10:18 .