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[AeradinME2]

I think its interesting turn that a video game character in this franchise can have their evolution from one game to the next explained with their own story.



I really do hope that Bioware does justice for Liara in either DLC or at the very least explains her entire change with the comics.

[Mox Ruuga]

Hrm.

Some honor.

I'd just as rather they'd have picked Tali or Garrus for this great "honor" and given Liara the less honorable position in the trilogy those two have: ie. as a character constantly by Shepard's side, with a compelling, plausible, well thought out character development. Actually doing something of interest that everyone who plays the game can see and appreciate.

I guess I just don't see the massive importance of a role in some side product comic, which something like 5% of people who end up playing the game will ever end up reading, at best. Perhaps they'll give her a "pivotal" role in some Flash game for the duration of ME3? Or have her face in a t-shirt?

The "massively important" role barely had any reference to it in the core game. Hell, Miranda and Liara show no signs of recognizing each other, despite her arranging Liara's initial Cerberus contact in the comic.

In short, I'm not buying the "massively important" role.

[darkshadow136]

Liara for squad in ME3 for sure. I stayed true to her in ME2 she needs to come back on board the Normandy.

[Sharn01]

Biggest problem with the comic is that most of the people who play ME will never read it, and I think the mojority probably do not bother with DLC either, so the lovely Liara will always be seen as a half assed character to the vast majority of player's.

[Sharn01]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Here's the numbers from that survey thread done earlier today....make of it what you will.

Love Interests
ME1
233 people chose Liara
156 people chose Ashley
112 people chose none
48 people chose Kaidan

ME2
209 people chose Tali
104 people chose Miranda
93 people stayed loyal to Liara (chose nobody)
40 people stayed loyal to Ashley (chose nobody)
29 people stayed loyal to Kaidan (chose nobody)
25 people chose Garrus
21 people chose Jack
15 people chose no one at all
12 people chose Thane
1 person chose Jacob

From another post earlier where they did a survey since you asked about the human LI loyalty also.

Well done BioWare.  Great choice of a LI there.

I purposely deleted what is probably the funniest pic I have seen that went with this information, I did not want to offend Jacob fans, but it sure was hilarious, I was laughing for minutes, and a day later can still chuckle just by thinking about it.

[Mox Ruuga]

Sharn01 wrote...

Biggest problem with the comic is that most of the people who play ME will never read it, and I think the mojority probably do not bother with DLC either, so the lovely Liara will always be seen as a half assed character to the vast majority of player's.

Indeed.

As I've said before, the ME2 noobs won't care about this weird spastic asari one bit. The returning ME1 players who didn't like her or were ambivalent, won't be impressed either, because even though some might have preferred a "darker" Liara, her sudden and poorly written ascension to a prominent information broker and an actual threat to the Shadow Broker (a "guy" who controls information that can topple governments) made her implausible as an evolving character. And of course we who liked her in ME1, are the ones most turned off of all fans.

Liara has gone from being a popular, if not universally loved squaddie and perhaps the most popular ME1 LI, to becoming a complete joke in ME2. One that isn't very funny.

[Deamon023]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Hrm.

Some honor.

I'd just as rather they'd have picked Tali or Garrus for this great "honor" and given Liara the less honorable position in the trilogy those two have: ie. as a character constantly by Shepard's side, with a compelling, plausible, well thought out character development. Actually doing something of interest that everyone who plays the game can see and appreciate.

I guess I just don't see the massive importance of a role in some side product comic, which something like 5% of people who end up playing the game will ever end up reading, at best. Perhaps they'll give her a "pivotal" role in some Flash game for the duration of ME3? Or have her face in a t-shirt?

The "massively important" role barely had any reference to it in the core game. Hell, Miranda and Liara show no signs of recognizing each other, despite her arranging Liara's initial Cerberus contact in the comic.

In short, I'm not buying the "massively important" role.

They could have taken example in another EA logo bearing game called "Dead Space" they made a pretty cool imo animation movie about the events prior to the game but it was optional like Mox already said about the ME comic and any DLC that may come.
The good thing about it you really didn't need to see the animation story to play the game since you wouldn't have really missed anything essential in or about the story.

Modifié par Deamon023, 13 février 2010 - 11:05 .

[Illum.se]

Liara needs to have a bigger role in ME3 than in ME2, preferrably also as a squadmate. This is a dealbreaker condition for me.

[Mox Ruuga]

Deamon023 wrote...


They could have taken example in another EA logo bearing game called "Dead Space" they made a pretty cool imo animation movie about the events prior to the game but it was optional like Mox already said about the ME comic and any DLC that may come.
The good thing about you really didn't need to see the animation story to play the game since you wouldn't have really missed anything essential in or about the story.

Yeah, and IIRC the backstory was actually referred to quite a bit in Dead Space, in recordings and text logs. Certainly better integrated, than the Mass Effect comic was.

[Deamon023]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Deamon023 wrote...


They could have taken example in another EA logo bearing game called "Dead Space" they made a pretty cool imo animation movie about the events prior to the game but it was optional like Mox already said about the ME comic and any DLC that may come.
The good thing about you really didn't need to see the animation story to play the game since you wouldn't have really missed anything essential in or about the story.

Yeah, and IIRC the backstory was actually referred to quite a bit in Dead Space, in recordings and text logs. Certainly better integrated, than the Mass Effect comic was.

Indeed.

[WilliamShatner]

Extra stuff like comics should not be essential for understanding the story of the game.



Like the Matrix video game or animated series; you don't have to play or watch those to fully understand the movies, they just give additional information for the fans.



But as of now, it seems that you have to read the Liara comics to understand her character in ME2 and that's BS.

[bjdbwea]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Extra stuff like comics should not be essential for understanding the story of the game.

This. It's not acceptable. Why didn't they just make a comic about Tali anyway. I have no idea how many people it really are that were and are constantly screaming about her, but if it was enough to justify making her into a LI, and if the number of Liara fans on the other hand apparently was deemed small enough to screw them with the game, then certainly a Tali comic would've been the better way to go. Oh well, maybe it'll be next.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 13 février 2010 - 02:50 .

[jienoma]

WilliamShatner wrote...
Extra stuff like comics should not be essential for understanding the story of the game.[...]

That's true and even more when you think about the fact they'll not publish the comics in all EU countries... like Italy for example, and i'll have to import the darn comics just to have an idea of something that should have been in the game from the beginning.

[morrie23]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Extra stuff like comics should not be essential for understanding the story of the game.

Like the Matrix video game or animated series; you don't have to play or watch those to fully understand the movies, they just give additional information for the fans.

But as of now, it seems that you have to read the Liara comics to understand her character in ME2 and that's BS.

Totally agree, some times I wish that the comic was never conceived and that the story of how she saved Sheps body from the SB and collectors was intergrated into the game.

[Outsider edge]

Well haven't ploughed through all the previous pages but Liara's best "shot" at a more prominent ficture in future DLC or ME3 should be the storyline about her hunting the Shadowbroker.



Storyline started in ME2? check. (although perhaps poorly implemented)



Dangerous adversary? check.



Adversary link with Reapers? check. (or at least someone willing too cooperate with forces working with them aka Collectors)



In my mind everything is present too justify either a hefty DLC package or an important part in ME3. Whether BW will pursue this remains too be seen ofcourse but there's plenty of set-up too work with.

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

BW made the conscious decision to give Liara her own story in a different medium. A story that, of course, is massively important and vital to the continuation of the story of the trilogy. I know it means that her current appearence in ME2 is unsatisfying to say the least, but BW have chosen HER to carry this vital part of the trilogy. If anything, it should make us even happier that she's being given another massive role in the trilogy, as evidence that she's seen as an important character by the writers and developers.

I would be ecstatic if it hadn't been an attempt to also ruin the character from ME1 in the process. /shrug

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Hrm.

Some honor.

I'd just as rather they'd have picked Tali or Garrus for this great "honor" and given Liara the less honorable position in the trilogy those two have: ie. as a character constantly by Shepard's side, with a compelling, plausible, well thought out character development. Actually doing something of interest that everyone who plays the game can see and appreciate.

I guess I just don't see the massive importance of a role in some side product comic, which something like 5% of people who end up playing the game will ever end up reading, at best. Perhaps they'll give her a "pivotal" role in some Flash game for the duration of ME3? Or have her face in a t-shirt?

The "massively important" role barely had any reference to it in the core game. Hell, Miranda and Liara show no signs of recognizing each other, despite her arranging Liara's initial Cerberus contact in the comic.

In short, I'm not buying the "massively important" role.

This.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Biggest problem with the comic is that most of the people who play ME will never read it, and I think the mojority probably do not bother with DLC either, so the lovely Liara will always be seen as a half assed character to the vast majority of player's.

Indeed.

As I've said before, the ME2 noobs won't care about this weird spastic asari one bit. The returning ME1 players who didn't like her or were ambivalent, won't be impressed either, because even though some might have preferred a "darker" Liara, her sudden and poorly written ascension to a prominent information broker and an actual threat to the Shadow Broker (a "guy" who controls information that can topple governments) made her implausible as an evolving character. And of course we who liked her in ME1, are the ones most turned off of all fans.

Liara has gone from being a popular, if not universally loved squaddie and perhaps the most popular ME1 LI, to becoming a complete joke in ME2. One that isn't very funny.

Mox is on a roll.  Completely agree.

[MoSa09]

I might be a little too late, i just wanted to add to the vibe between Liara and Feron:

First of all, remember that she feels sorry for Feron and his fate. So naturally, there has to develop some form of friendship and bond between those too, otherwise it won't make any sense at all she is upset what happened to him. So don't be disturbed or bothered if their relationship starts to grow, it's the way it has to be to make sense in ME 2 and doesn't have to mean anything sexually/romantically at all.

2. It's most likely that Liara's written for all Shepard's of ME 1 in mind, that is, for ones in love with her and ones who were in love with someone else. Therefore, i expect Feron to be a rather ambivalent character. He might be Liara's lover if Shepard romanced someone else (adding some more sense to Liara's anger of the Shadow broker) and just a helpful friend if Shepard was in love with Liara (as she won't need any more reason to be angry with the Shadow Broker). So my guess is there won't be any love between those two in the comics, but some scenes that could be interpretet both ways and will end up in Liara dlc or ME 3 in several different lines with Liara, with Feron being lover or friend.
So i don't expect any real relationships between those two in the comics, just some hints that might mean they're interested or maybe not, and that result in different lines in further ME stuff. And that also means that you fellow Liara lovers won't have anything to worry, since you never get to see those lines where she might be really interested in Feron.

Just speculation though, or maybe there's really nothing going between those two, as Liara seemed to be deeply in love with every Shepard in ME 2.

Modifié par MoSa09, 13 février 2010 - 03:46 .

[Derumiel]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Biggest problem with the comic is that most of the people who play ME will never read it, and I think the mojority probably do not bother with DLC either, so the lovely Liara will always be seen as a half assed character to the vast majority of player's.

Indeed.

As I've said before, the ME2 noobs won't care about this weird spastic asari one bit. The returning ME1 players who didn't like her or were ambivalent, won't be impressed either, because even though some might have preferred a "darker" Liara, her sudden and poorly written ascension to a prominent information broker and an actual threat to the Shadow Broker (a "guy" who controls information that can topple governments) made her implausible as an evolving character. And of course we who liked her in ME1, are the ones most turned off of all fans.

Liara has gone from being a popular, if not universally loved squaddie and perhaps the most popular ME1 LI, to becoming a complete joke in ME2. One that isn't very funny.

Mox is on a roll.  Completely agree.

I partly agree, 'cause i wouldn't say a complete joke, but she is not really what i've expected. A more developed Liara (ME1 to ME2) would have been nice, but imo,  her development has gone a bit to far.

[jlb524]

I've always worried that the comic was BW's way of sidelining Liara's character for the remainder of the series. I'm also overly pessimistic.

[Nozybidaj]

Part of me has enough faith in BW as story tellers still to hope that they know better than to do something as tasteless as having her get involved with Feron. With the way ME2 went for Liara fans it would just be a real kick in the teeth while we are already down to be dropping little hints throughout the comic of a relationship between them, not even to mention going for face sucking or full blown sexy time.

Part of me sees this whole grimdarkification of Liara in ME2 and can just see the writers going "u knowz what would be kool and totally amped up? have her knocking boots with the drells lolz" without even bothering to consider her as a character, her situation, or how the fans would react to it.

This whole thing makes me see the point some folks make in the same sex relationships thread about changing a character who was conceived as straight and turning them bi and how that would compromise their character integrity. Even if Liara isn't your LI I'd rather not see her involved with Feron in any way, I feel it would cheapen the character for those who do have her as an LI.

All said and done ME2 has shaken my faith in BW's credibility as story tellers enough to at least be worried about it. I would love for some Liara DLC to come out and restore that faith.

Edit to add:  A lot will depend on how the comic goes.  If they get too much more "friendly" than they are now I am going to be really disappointed.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 13 février 2010 - 04:15 .

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Yeah, it is to be expected that Liara and Feron will at least form a friendship, otherwise Liara's dialogue in ME2 will not make any sense. If we do save Feron in any DLC, I expect that Liara will be pleased to see him, Shepard will shake his hand and then, if the player romanced her, Shepard and Liara will then have a heart-to-heart.

Agreed, but it would have been nice to see Liara tell him to "cool his freakin jets" or "only in your dreams" with the innuendo.