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Question, (and this may have already come up, so apologies), but both Joker and Kelly comment on your all too brief encounter w/ Ashley (or Kaiden). Why doesn't anyone comment on your encounter w/ Liara? Do they comment and I just missed it? Thanks.

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JamieCOTC wrote...

Question, (and this may have already come up, so apologies), but both Joker and Kelly comment on your all too brief encounter w/ Ashley (or Kaiden). Why doesn't anyone comment on your encounter w/ Liara? Do they comment and I just missed it? Thanks.


Nope.

It's as if Liara was never part of the crew, or Shepard's lover. I think pretty much only one who mentions her history as a member of your crew, is TIM in the beginning, when you can weakly argue for wanting to recruit your old squad, until TIM pooh poohs such silly thoughts away from poor Shepard's mind with his irrefutable and ironclad arguments.

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Mox Ruuga wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Question, (and this may have already come up, so apologies), but both Joker and Kelly comment on your all too brief encounter w/ Ashley (or Kaiden). Why doesn't anyone comment on your encounter w/ Liara? Do they comment and I just missed it? Thanks.


Nope.

It's as if Liara was never part of the crew, or Shepard's lover. I think pretty much only one who mentions her history as a member of your crew, is TIM in the beginning, when you can weakly argue for wanting to recruit your old squad, until TIM pooh poohs such silly thoughts away from poor Shepard's mind with his irrefutable and ironclad arguments.


Yep, and it turns out TIM has false information on Liara. And information is suppose to be "his bussiness".

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Larask wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Question, (and this may have already come up, so apologies), but both Joker and Kelly comment on your all too brief encounter w/ Ashley (or Kaiden). Why doesn't anyone comment on your encounter w/ Liara? Do they comment and I just missed it? Thanks.


Nope.

It's as if Liara was never part of the crew, or Shepard's lover. I think pretty much only one who mentions her history as a member of your crew, is TIM in the beginning, when you can weakly argue for wanting to recruit your old squad, until TIM pooh poohs such silly thoughts away from poor Shepard's mind with his irrefutable and ironclad arguments.


Yep, and it turns out TIM has false information on Liara. And information is suppose to be "his bussiness".

Think of it like this, TIM was getting information about The Collector's somehow.

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Larask wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Question, (and this may have already come up, so apologies), but both Joker and Kelly comment on your all too brief encounter w/ Ashley (or Kaiden). Why doesn't anyone comment on your encounter w/ Liara? Do they comment and I just missed it? Thanks.


Nope.

It's as if Liara was never part of the crew, or Shepard's lover. I think pretty much only one who mentions her history as a member of your crew, is TIM in the beginning, when you can weakly argue for wanting to recruit your old squad, until TIM pooh poohs such silly thoughts away from poor Shepard's mind with his irrefutable and ironclad arguments.


Yep, and it turns out TIM has false information on Liara. And information is suppose to be "his bussiness".


Not so much false info as clearly lying.

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Female Shepard + Liara = best team ever. :P


Thats the truth. :wub:


+1

Heh ... my Man!Shep runthrough was my Renegade runthrough on ME1, and I just thought Renegade Shep was way too much of a jerk to end up with Liara.  And I played Fem!Shep many, MANY times, and just couldn't go full renegade (best I could manage was a partial-renegade run where people who really needed killing got shot - like that ExoGeni guy on Feros).  I was worried this made me sexist, but three of my guy gamer friends 'fessed up that they did the exact same thing.  Image IPB

That said (and before I get blasted), let me say that I fully support my Liara-Loving Board-Mates and their ability to play Renegade!Shep (Fem! or Man!) as a ruthless cold stone killer who cares about nothing but the mission ... and that adorable archaeologist.  May you have the opportunity to Shoot Feron In The Face.

And can I take a moment to mention that TIM also needs to be shot in the face?  At the beginning of the game, when you're doing the "Where Are They Now?" section, when you ask about Liara, TIM says that his sources say she's an Agent of the Shadow Broker, and Not To Be Trusted.

That lying SOB.

This, more than anything, is why I destroyed the Collector Base.  It just took that one convo for me to grow tired of TIM's disingenous assertions.

Yeah, I can never make a renegade Shep (all my Sheps are FemSheps, lol).
I can go as far as being mean to Harkin then I start being nice to everyone.
I don't think I have ever used a renegade conversation option with Liara.
Even though I don't think Liara cheated on Shep with Feron, if she actually did, I would kill Feron a million times over (I'll make it possible) with the flamethrower, then do some more terrible things to his body (screw the renegade points, no one sleeps with Liara but Shepard).

I agree, TIM is a SOB.
I think he needs to die for trying to get Shepard to forget about Liara. (it's neck snapping time)!!!

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Just doing my part and bumping the thread!

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justinnstuff wrote...

Just doing my part and bumping the thread!


Liara needs all the support she can get. :P

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I must admit I was pretty pissed that TIM gave Shep false information regarding Liara. Maybe that was his intention? Maybe he didn't want Liara on Shepard's squad again, because she knows something about Cerberus?

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A change of pace.

Anyone want to think up a "character sheet" for a hypothetical Liara squaddie of ME2?

What weapon skills would she have? What two main power skills, what "character" skill, and last but not least, what unlockable unique power skill?

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Its good to see a fair number of folks in the thread about "worst possible news you could hear about ME3" basically saying "The ME1 LIs get another **** role/arent squadmates".

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 13 février 2010 - 08:46 .


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That's good to hear, Dink. I never visit any other threads on this forum, so I didn't know if alot of other people were pissed at the crap role Liara and Ash/Kai got in ME2.

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Warp, Singularity, Overload or something similer as her loyalty would be most fitting taken from what she had in ME1 The class power is pretty standard fair reduced cooldown, extra hp/damage type thing.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

That's good to hear, Dink. I never visit any other threads on this forum, so I didn't know if alot of other people were pissed at the crap role Liara and Ash/Kai got in ME2.


A lot of people are. Those who didn't like the ME1 LIs aren't pleased either, tho in their case it's simply more bashing of the characters. Even people who think the new developments are plausible, agree that the writing simply isn't on the required level for the ME1 LIs.

It is one of the common complaints about the story and writing of ME2 itself, of which there are many, BTW. Many people are of the mind that it isn't the "ME1 killer" Bioware bragged about in terms of storytelling at least, even if they prefer the new combat or other features.

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Mox Ruuga wrote...

A change of pace.

Anyone want to think up a "character sheet" for a hypothetical Liara squaddie of ME2?

What weapon skills would she have? What two main power skills, what "character" skill, and last but not least, what unlockable unique power skill?


Heavy pistol and submachine gun

Warp and throw

Asari scientist again, that either strengthens her barrier, or her biotic powers.

Unique power? Since Samaras is a tweaked warp power, Id probably say she should have something along the same lines as singularity. Maybe some sort of crush or vortex power, that either sucks in one enemy for heavy damage (similar to slam maybe) or more of an improved radius singularity, that groups up multiple enemies (singularity in ME2 is pretty pathetic, so Liaras would probably more closely resemble the awesome ME1 singularity).

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 13 février 2010 - 08:55 .


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I'll post my sad Shepard cuddling pic here...



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...so sad.

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Sharn01 wrote...

Warp, Singularity, Overload or something similer as her loyalty would be most fitting taken from what she had in ME1 The class power is pretty standard fair reduced cooldown, extra hp/damage type thing.


I've been thinking of having her go with no weapons, since she has no training for them in the first game. Perhaps the class power would allow individual cooldowns for her powers? And Overload is a must. Take down the shields, make them bounce around with the biotics. Image IPB

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

A change of pace.

Anyone want to think up a "character sheet" for a hypothetical Liara squaddie of ME2?

What weapon skills would she have? What two main power skills, what "character" skill, and last but not least, what unlockable unique power skill?


Heavy pistol and submachine gun

Warp and throw

Asari scientist again, that either strengthens her barrier, or her biotic powers.

Unique power? Since Samaras is a tweaked warp power, Id probably say she should have something along the same lines as singularity. Maybe some sort of crush or vortex power, that either sucks in one enemy for heavy damage (similar to slam maybe) or more of an improved radius singularity, that groups up multiple enemies (singularity in ME2 is pretty pathetic, so Liaras would probably more closely resemble the awesome ME1 singularity).


A vortex fit to crush the enemy into something the size of a coffee cup.

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justinnstuff wrote...

A vortex fit to crush the enemy into something the size of a coffee cup.


Funny you should say that, since thats exactly what I was going for. What little role she plays in the comic and ME2 suggests Liara is a massive hitter when it comes to biotics now. Her talk about Nyxeris as well and how her barriers needed work.

I just thought her class should be based around a massive biotic heavy hitter.

Of course thats hard to do with ME2s neutered squadmate powers, where they all only have a pittance. Guess they didnt want to frighten shooter idiots with allies having a wider array of powers to choose from.

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Mox Ruuga wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

That's good to hear, Dink. I never visit any other threads on this forum, so I didn't know if alot of other people were pissed at the crap role Liara and Ash/Kai got in ME2.


A lot of people are. Those who didn't like the ME1 LIs aren't pleased either, tho in their case it's simply more bashing of the characters. Even people who think the new developments are plausible, agree that the writing simply isn't on the required level for the ME1 LIs.

It is one of the common complaints about the story and writing of ME2 itself, of which there are many, BTW. Many people are of the mind that it isn't the "ME1 killer" Bioware bragged about in terms of storytelling at least, even if they prefer the new combat or other features.


Good.  Maybe this will spurn them to make some appropriate expansion content for the ME1 LI's so we actually get a second chapter in our "three chapter love story".

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Heavy pistol and submachine gun

Warp and throw

Asari scientist again, that either strengthens her barrier, or her biotic powers.

Unique power? Since Samaras is a tweaked warp power, Id probably say she should have something along the same lines as singularity. Maybe some sort of crush or vortex power, that either sucks in one enemy for heavy damage (similar to slam maybe) or more of an improved radius singularity, that groups up multiple enemies (singularity in ME2 is pretty pathetic, so Liaras would probably more closely resemble the awesome ME1 singularity).


I agree with this.  Giving Liara 3 biotic powers (including the loyalty one) puts her on par with Samara in ME2 as far as number of biotic powers.  All other biotic users have 2 biotic powers, plus an ammo or tech power.

Any reason for throw instead of lift?  Just curious.

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jlb524 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Heavy pistol and submachine gun

Warp and throw

Asari scientist again, that either strengthens her barrier, or her biotic powers.

Unique power? Since Samaras is a tweaked warp power, Id probably say she should have something along the same lines as singularity. Maybe some sort of crush or vortex power, that either sucks in one enemy for heavy damage (similar to slam maybe) or more of an improved radius singularity, that groups up multiple enemies (singularity in ME2 is pretty pathetic, so Liaras would probably more closely resemble the awesome ME1 singularity).


I agree with this.  Giving Liara 3 biotic powers (including the loyalty one) puts her on par with Samara in ME2 as far as number of biotic powers.  All other biotic users have 2 biotic powers, plus an ammo or tech power.

Any reason for throw instead of lift?  Just curious.


Agree, I wouldn't mind seeing pull instead of throw, but maybe throw or slam would fit the new attitude better. ^_^

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I'll post my sad Shepard cuddling pic here...

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...so sad.


:crying:

jlb, I think I remember you having your Shepard in your signature at the old forums, but I can't remember her name. What was it again?

As for Liara's ME2 style weapons/powers:

Heavy Pistols

SMGs

I'll go with Warp, Throw and Singularity operating as her loyalty power.

As for her class, Asari Scientist again, with the possibility of evolving into either Asari Explorer (Increased biotic powers) or Asari Archaeologist (Increased health).

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jlb524 wrote...

I'll post my sad Shepard cuddling pic here...

Image IPB

...so sad.


lol, you can't actually do that... can you?  :crying:

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SE JN wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I'll post my sad Shepard cuddling pic here...

Image IPB

...so sad.


lol, you can't actually do that... can you?  :crying:


LOL