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[seyera]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yeah, I'd get the Redemption comic. Also, if someone hasn't noticed it, they are giving away the first issue on iTunes.

Oh! Didn't notice, thank you!!!

[GnusmasTHX]

I wonder if HER barriers are stronger than Nyxeris'.



Plus I wanted like a biotic practice match in my quarters with Jack, Miranda, Samara and Liara to see who gets to be in my squad.



Probably Liara though; if she still has a Mass Effect 1 skill set.

[Unit-Alpha]

seyera wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Yeah, I'd get the Redemption comic. Also, if someone hasn't noticed it, they are giving away the first issue on iTunes.

Oh! Didn't notice, thank you!!!

No problem  It's actually quite good, considering I have never read a comic before.

[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...

Well, the new issue of the Redemption comic comes out today, so maybe we'll find out some more about this whole Liara vs. the Shadow Broker situation.

I hope so.

TIM thinks that Liara is working FOR the Shadow Broker...I wonder why!

[jlb524]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I wonder if HER barriers are stronger than Nyxeris'.

I would say...yes!!  Liara's alive...Nyxeris is not.

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Plus I wanted like a biotic practice match in my quarters with Jack, Miranda, Samara and Liara to see who gets to be in my squad.

Probably Liara though; if she still has a Mass Effect 1 skill set.

Well, definitely Liara if she still has her ME1 skills.  She's a level 60 and has all the biotic powers.  The others, only 30 and only get two powers a piece.

Realistically, Liara would definitely kick the human women's behinds.  I don't know about Samara.  I see Liara as being naturally very gifted with biotics.  I'm sure Liara inherited her mother's power and was also trained by her since she was a baby.  Samara has way more experience, though (and is quite powerful herself).  It would be interesting.

[jlb524]

Barquiel wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Well, the new issue of the Redemption comic comes out today, so maybe we'll find out some more about this whole Liara vs. the Shadow Broker situation.

I hope so.

TIM thinks that Liara is working FOR the Shadow Broker...I wonder why!

Does he genuinely think that, or is he just trying to turn you against Liara.  It has to be one or the other I would say.

[GnusmasTHX]

But then I'd be like "LIARA, I LOVE YOU!" and she gets an immediate +20 boost to all stats and squishes Samara's face.



(God that sound was gruesome when Samara did it. I was half expecting Shepard's face to be covered in blood splatter and brains.)

[Unit-Alpha]

jlb524 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I wonder if HER barriers are stronger than Nyxeris'.

I would say...yes!!  Liara's alive...Nyxeris is not.

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Plus I wanted like a biotic practice match in my quarters with Jack, Miranda, Samara and Liara to see who gets to be in my squad.

Probably Liara though; if she still has a Mass Effect 1 skill set.

Well, definitely Liara if she still has her ME1 skills.  She's a level 60 and has all the biotic powers.  The others, only 30 and only get two powers a piece.

Realistically, Liara would definitely kick the human women's behinds.  I don't know about Samara.  I see Liara as being naturally very gifted with biotics.  I'm sure Liara inherited her mother's power and was also trained by her since she was a baby.  Samara has way more experience, though (and is quite powerful herself).  It would be interesting.

Liara would beat Samara hands down... especially with the help of my assault rifle (I'm not a fan of the decision to replace Liara with Samara, as you can tell.)

[seyera]

jlb524 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Well, the new issue of the Redemption comic comes out today, so maybe we'll find out some more about this whole Liara vs. the Shadow Broker situation.

I hope so.

TIM thinks that Liara is working FOR the Shadow Broker...I wonder why!

Does he genuinely think that, or is he just trying to turn you against Liara.  It has to be one or the other I would say.

Ya after meeting up with old the old squadmates again, it seemed TIM's tale of where everyone was or what they were doing was false. He lied about kaiden/ashley too. I doubt he would tell you honestly what Liara was up too, especially if it was against him.

[Gemini1179]

Me too. Evolved from her experiences, but still the sweet girl my FemShep fell in love with.

[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...


Does he genuinely think that, or is he just trying to turn you against Liara.  It has to be one or the other I would say.

I don't know. He has no problems with Garrus and Tali (and Liara already helped Cerberus).

[Unit-Alpha]

jlb524 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Well, the new issue of the Redemption comic comes out today, so maybe we'll find out some more about this whole Liara vs. the Shadow Broker situation.

I hope so.

TIM thinks that Liara is working FOR the Shadow Broker...I wonder why!

Does he genuinely think that, or is he just trying to turn you against Liara.  It has to be one or the other I would say.

Personally, I think he's trying to turn you against Liara. I'm not sure why though.

[juxtaposedjoker]

Liara could beat Semara in a fight? WHAT?! Now I'm a hard core nut ball Liara fan but no matter how awesome one of her parents was at biotics she is still a young adult and Semara just a weeeeee bit older and experienced. If Liara could be Semara there would have to be a good reason otherwise it sort of goes against cannon if you think about it.



Though it sure as hell would be interesting if Liara's actions in her vendetta against the SB attracted the attention of a certain justicar as unjust....

[chool77]

never that bi_tch needs to die... o wait lololo:devil::devil:

[Gemini1179]

juxtaposedjoker wrote...

Though it sure as hell would be interesting if Liara's actions in her vendetta against the SB attracted the attention of a certain justicar as unjust....

Now THAT would be interesting. Although, it is normally unusual for a Justacar to met out justice outside Asari space.

[Driveninhifi]

I actually don't feel like Liara was handled that well in the game. I just don't buy the anger. Obsession, sure. But the only way I can see her becoming that angry for two years was if the Shadow Broker killed Shepard in front of her. That's not really what happened, so I don't buy it.



I also think having her fall in love with Feron would really ruin her character. She's going to fall in love with someone like a month after Shepard dies? That makes no sense considering how much consternation she has about falling love with Shepard in the first place! Plus she says she couldn't let Shepard go....I don't think it fits at all.

In the comic today she says finding Shepard is her "redemption" - that's really the only thing that makes sense for 2 years of obsession. She still has to be trying to redeem herself. I'd assume Feron saves her at the expense of his own life as they recover the body. Then she also has Feron's death/capture on her conscience.



The one thing I don't get - once Shepard reappears and says "Hey, I still like you" doesn't she re-evaluate her obsession? If she's really been obsessing and afraid because of Shepard I would think that Shepard's reappearance would have a huge impact on her. I understand they didn't want her as a squadmate in ME2, but it feels forced.

[juxtaposedjoker]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Well, the new issue of the Redemption comic comes out today, so maybe we'll find out some more about this whole Liara vs. the Shadow Broker situation.

I hope so.

TIM thinks that Liara is working FOR the Shadow Broker...I wonder why!

Does he genuinely think that, or is he just trying to turn you against Liara.  It has to be one or the other I would say.

Personally, I think he's trying to turn you against Liara. I'm not sure why though.

I agree.  At first, I thought it was to keep my Shepard from delaying the mission to seek out her lover.  Now that I have played the game through I think it has something to do with the conclusion of the redemption plot.  Undercover?  Blatant lie from TIM to discredit Liara?  Can't wait to find out!

[jlb524]

TIM also tells you that Liara can't be trusted. He seems to be trying to stick a wedge between you and her.

[Unit-Alpha]

Driveninhifi wrote...

I actually don't feel like Liara was handled that well in the game. I just don't buy the anger. Obsession, sure. But the only way I can see her becoming that angry for two years was if the Shadow Broker killed Shepard in front of her. That's not really what happened, so I don't buy it.

I also think having her fall in love with Feron would really ruin her character. She's going to fall in love with someone like a month after Shepard dies? That makes no sense considering how much consternation she has about falling love with Shepard in the first place! Plus she says she couldn't let Shepard go....I don't think it fits at all.
In the comic today she says finding Shepard is her "redemption" - that's really the only thing that makes sense for 2 years of obsession. She still has to be trying to redeem herself. I'd assume Feron saves her at the expense of his own life as they recover the body. Then she also has Feron's death/capture on her conscience.

The one thing I don't get - once Shepard reappears and says "Hey, I still like you" doesn't she re-evaluate her obsession? If she's really been obsessing and afraid because of Shepard I would think that Shepard's reappearance would have a huge impact on her. I understand they didn't want her as a squadmate in ME2, but it feels forced.

It feels forced b/c it is forced. There's no way around that fact. It was a gameplay/plot decision to keep her out of ME2 and they had to have some reasoning. Sadly, it's not what most people expected/wanted.

Edit: Although, it's a heck of a lot better than what they did with Ash/Kaiden, which was some of the worst writing I had seen. It was handled terribly.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 03 février 2010 - 07:50 .

[jlb524]

Driveninhifi wrote...

In the comic today she says finding Shepard is her "redemption" - that's really the only thing that makes sense for 2 years of obsession. She still has to be trying to redeem herself. I'd assume Feron saves her at the expense of his own life as they recover the body. Then she also has Feron's death/capture on her conscience.

Really?  Liara is the one who's looking for 'redemption'?  I'm surprised....I thought the 'Redemption' would have something to do with why Feron was helping Liara (to redeem himself from something in his past).   That's interesting.

Driveninhifi wrote...

The one thing I don't get - once Shepard reappears and says "Hey, I still like you" doesn't she re-evaluate her obsession? If she's really been obsessing and afraid because of Shepard I would think that Shepard's reappearance would have a huge impact on her. I understand they didn't want her as a squadmate in ME2, but it feels forced.

I think Shepard's reappearance did have a huge impact on her.  I think Liara's putting up a front.  She does finally break down at the end, though.

[Nozybidaj]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

I actually don't feel like Liara was handled that well in the game. I just don't buy the anger. Obsession, sure. But the only way I can see her becoming that angry for two years was if the Shadow Broker killed Shepard in front of her. That's not really what happened, so I don't buy it.

I also think having her fall in love with Feron would really ruin her character. She's going to fall in love with someone like a month after Shepard dies? That makes no sense considering how much consternation she has about falling love with Shepard in the first place! Plus she says she couldn't let Shepard go....I don't think it fits at all.
In the comic today she says finding Shepard is her "redemption" - that's really the only thing that makes sense for 2 years of obsession. She still has to be trying to redeem herself. I'd assume Feron saves her at the expense of his own life as they recover the body. Then she also has Feron's death/capture on her conscience.

The one thing I don't get - once Shepard reappears and says "Hey, I still like you" doesn't she re-evaluate her obsession? If she's really been obsessing and afraid because of Shepard I would think that Shepard's reappearance would have a huge impact on her. I understand they didn't want her as a squadmate in ME2, but it feels forced.

It feels forced b/c it is forced. There's no way around that fact. It was a gameplay/plot decision to keep her out of ME2 and they had to have some reasoning. Sadly, it's not what most people expected/wanted.

Edit: Although, it's a heck of a lot better than what they did with Ash/Kaiden, which was some of the worst writing I had seen. It was handled terribly.

Just quoting to show support.  Everyone at BW should be tied to a chair with their eyelids taped open and be forced to read this over and over again for a week or so.....

No, I'm not bitter, why do you ask? :innocent:

[juxtaposedjoker]

Driveninhifi wrote...

I actually don't feel like Liara was handled that well in the game. I just don't buy the anger. Obsession, sure. But the only way I can see her becoming that angry for two years was if the Shadow Broker killed Shepard in front of her. That's not really what happened, so I don't buy it.

I also think having her fall in love with Feron would really ruin her character. She's going to fall in love with someone like a month after Shepard dies? That makes no sense considering how much consternation she has about falling love with Shepard in the first place! Plus she says she couldn't let Shepard go....I don't think it fits at all.
In the comic today she says finding Shepard is her "redemption" - that's really the only thing that makes sense for 2 years of obsession. She still has to be trying to redeem herself. I'd assume Feron saves her at the expense of his own life as they recover the body. Then she also has Feron's death/capture on her conscience.

The one thing I don't get - once Shepard reappears and says "Hey, I still like you" doesn't she re-evaluate her obsession? If she's really been obsessing and afraid because of Shepard I would think that Shepard's reappearance would have a huge impact on her. I understand they didn't want her as a squadmate in ME2, but it feels forced.

hmmmmmm  Very interesting points.  I'm still waiting for my first copy of redemption to arrive in the mail but the point you bring up from the second part of the comic makes me think there is something about Liara we just don't know.

Redemption implies that Liara did something she felt she needed to be redeemed for.  It would be sloppy writing if it were all over leaving Shepard on the ship.  It would make more sense if she did something she felt betrayed Shepard and it's obviously not just handing Shepard over to cerberus because the need to be redeemed occured before that. 

So the question is: what the hell did Liara do that made her feel that she needed to be redeemed?

Edit: If she feels like whatever that is wasn't resolved it would make sense for her not to join Shepard.  Especially, if her need for redemption comes from an act of betrayal or desperation that did harm or could have harmed Shepard. 

Meh dammit I wanna stop speculating and just know already!

Modifié par juxtaposedjoker, 03 février 2010 - 07:55 .

[Unit-Alpha]

jlb524 wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

In the comic today she says finding Shepard is her "redemption" - that's really the only thing that makes sense for 2 years of obsession. She still has to be trying to redeem herself. I'd assume Feron saves her at the expense of his own life as they recover the body. Then she also has Feron's death/capture on her conscience.

Really?  Liara is the one who's looking for 'redemption'?  I'm surprised....I thought the 'Redemption' would have something to do with why Feron was helping Liara (to redeem himself from something in his past).   That's interesting.

Driveninhifi wrote...

The one thing I don't get - once Shepard reappears and says "Hey, I still like you" doesn't she re-evaluate her obsession? If she's really been obsessing and afraid because of Shepard I would think that Shepard's reappearance would have a huge impact on her. I understand they didn't want her as a squadmate in ME2, but it feels forced.

I think Shepard's reappearance did have a huge impact on her.  I think Liara's putting up a front.  She does finally break down at the end, though.

Liara is trying to redeem herself due to the fact that she gave Shepard's body to Cerberus. At least that's what the blurb says. However, I'm guessing there are some underlying issues as well.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 03 février 2010 - 07:55 .

[Driveninhifi]

She says "I watched him die. This is my chance for redemption. Helping me can be yours too" (to Feron). Two comics in and she really doesn't like or trust Feron (thus far). So it's unlikely she will hook up with him unless the writing takes a serious nosedive. He probably saves her when they recover the body (as I mentioned before).



I do think Liara is putting up a front - it's the only thing that makes sense for the character. I just think that it would be hard to maintain that much anger once the person you are avenging reappears and isn't angry with you. Now, if Shepard is a jerk it makes total sense, but you can definitely tell her you don't blame her in that conversation.



I still don't get why you can't ask her about the relationship though.....bad choice on Bioware's part. Feels extremely fake - why wouldn't you ask your love interest where you stand before you head out on a suicide mission?



We'll have to see what the Liara DLC brings....

[juxtaposedjoker]

Driveninhifi wrote...

She says "I watched him die. This is my chance for redemption. Helping me can be yours too" (to Feron). Two comics in and she really doesn't like or trust Feron (thus far). So it's unlikely she will hook up with him unless the writing takes a serious nosedive. He probably saves her when they recover the body (as I mentioned before).

I do think Liara is putting up a front - it's the only thing that makes sense for the character. I just think that it would be hard to maintain that much anger once the person you are avenging reappears and isn't angry with you. Now, if Shepard is a jerk it makes total sense, but you can definitely tell her you don't blame her in that conversation.

I still don't get why you can't ask her about the relationship though.....bad choice on Bioware's part. Feels extremely fake - why wouldn't you ask your love interest where you stand before you head out on a suicide mission?

We'll have to see what the Liara DLC brings....

Ah thank you for quoting the comic.  I agree with you.  Even if it were as simple as this:

Liara: Shepard...do you still?

Shepard.  Yes.

Just SOMETHING gah!