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Driveninhifi wrote...

To respond to FdL_Ananas:
I do like where they took the character, I just think it needed more development. The problem, to me, is they needed to show her development in game, instead of just tell you about it. Or at least give you more dialogue. Even a line where she confides in Shepard that she hates what she's had to do, been lonely, etc, would have gone a long way.
Also the fact that the was no way for their relationship to come up in conversation is pretty unbelievable - I'd say that's just poor writing. They clearly want to keep the player in the dark, but it's hard to justify taking logical conversation options away from the player in this type of game. When you do, it feels very artificial. Not every Shepard would bring it up, but I think many certainly would, especially after their lover tells them she's doing all this stuff mainly because she couldn't let them go.


Primarily this, its not like Ash/Kaiden where they are taken away shortly after their meeting.  Liara is there from the time you get to Ilium and is still there after the suicide mission, and at no point is any dialog option available for Shep to talk about their relationship.

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Felt like doing some fan art of Liara T’soni as she is in Mass Effect 2. I imaged the image to be just after she has dealt with Nyxeris on Illium. Was a bit sad she did not have a big role in ME2. But I’m hoping for a big one in ME3.
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Nice drawing! I could try but it would end up as a blue matchstick man.



Begs the question; where's Nyxeris body after she kills her?



Is this a rountine thing for Liara now? Does she hide dead bodies under the floor boards? Does she have a garbage disposal chute?

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Very good, in my opinion.

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WilliamShatner wrote...

Nice drawing! I could try but it would end up as a blue matchstick man.

Begs the question; where's Nyxeris body after she kills her?

Is this a rountine thing for Liara now? Does she hide dead bodies under the floor boards? Does she have a garbage disposal chute?



You know these “information brokers” they all have back door dumpsters when they can dump bodies out of sight, out of mind…..

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I'm PRAYING for a catfight in ME3 between Liara and Miranda.

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WilliamShatner wrote...

Nice drawing! I could try but it would end up as a blue matchstick man.

Begs the question; where's Nyxeris body after she kills her?

Is this a rountine thing for Liara now? Does she hide dead bodies under the floor boards? Does she have a garbage disposal chute?



Biotic squeezed her in to a coffee cup and tossed it in the trash?

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Shepard546 wrote...

I'm PRAYING for a catfight in ME3 between Liara and Miranda.


That would require cheating on Liara, I will not do that. 

Actually, I will not do that even if my Shep was male.

Modifié par Sharn01, 15 février 2010 - 08:09 .


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Please bare in mind I am left handed and was using my right to draw.

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Sharn01 wrote...

Shepard546 wrote...

I'm PRAYING for a catfight in ME3 between Liara and Miranda.


That would require cheating on Liara, I will not do that. 

Actually, I will not do that even if my Shep was male.


Cheating on Liara is out of the question, my soldier is very in to his blue scientist. There is a possibility for some tension between Liara and Miranda for other reasons I imagine, but thats another story.

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I will pistol whip Miranda if she messes with Liara.



I do not hate Miranda, but no one messes with Liara.

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Yes Miranda better watch it, there are airlocks that may accidentally open at random.

But I guess there may be some animosity between the two, have no proof and have only read the first number of Redemption so far.

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Considering Liara doesn't even acknowledge Miranda if you bring her with you it could be possible...



That the Liara in ME2 isn't the real Liara... but rather a clone or robot placed by the SB.



As ridiculous as that sound our meeting does make more sense than that way.

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WilliamShatner wrote...

Considering Liara doesn't even acknowledge Miranda if you bring her with you it could be possible...

That the Liara in ME2 isn't the real Liara... but rather a clone or robot placed by the SB.

As ridiculous as that sound our meeting does make more sense than that way.


Sad but true :(

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i doubt there will be a DLC about Liara, getting her to join you in ME3 seems a good start of game, were bound to go 1v1 against the shadowbroker, devs probably gonna use it in ME3.

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Shadowcat, great artwork. You wouldn't happen to have a DeviantArt account by any chance, would you?



And I agree with everything FdL_Ananas said earlier on in this thread. Before I got to Liara's part in ME2 I heard via GameFAQs that Liara had become a "cold, calculating heartless ****". I have to say that when I did finally meet her I did think that what those people were saying was grossly exaggerated. I saw plenty of Liara's real personality, and she was very nice and friendly with me. What's frustrating is that Shepard does not show any love for her, or tries to calm her down more when she gets upset when she reveals that it was her who gave Shepard's body to Cerberus. Yeah, I do agree that more emotion on Shepard's part was required.

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The Liara part seemed wery rushed, hope they expand it in a DLC or patch... I need a patch...

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WilliamShatner wrote...

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Please bare in mind I am left handed and was using my right to draw.


You made my day^_^

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I know it hurts in ME2 that Liara was not at your side during the mission at all, and it wasn't the same as the journey in ME1, but comfort yourself with this, as I did:



Liara will be at Shepard's side for the final, big, climatic battle in ME3, and the adventure beforehand. It makes me feel a hell of a lot better, and I know we'll be rewarded for staying faithful to her in ME2.



It's just the wait that's going to be hell!

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Shepard546 wrote...

I'm PRAYING for a catfight in ME3 between Liara and Miranda.


That would be the worst and most cheapening thing towards both characters ever.

I'd much rather see a catfight between Thane and Kaidan.

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I'd just like to say that I can find Liara's change completely believable, BUT (and it's a very important but) only if they do some very heavy explanation either in DLC or ME3.  It feels really wrong right now, but you have to remember, the story is incomplete, so we're seeing an incomplete character arc, so yeah, feels wrong.

I can only hope that we can help bring back some of Liara's cute spunkiness; a bit more of her awkward social fumblings. :wub:  Or, we could encourage her down this dark path if we choose a renegade option, but I personally wouldn't do that. :P

What I don't find believable is what other people have mentioned; the inability to even discuss or acknowledge your relationship, and the absence of a few key lines of dialog.  (I mean, yeah the kiss is an acknowledgement, but really?  I can't say anything?)  A confiding "I hate doing this, it's tearing me up inside" would have gone a long way, as would have a "Not here, not now, it isn't safe*" and a "Come back alive Shep *smooch*."

*(Followed by offering to take her to a cafe that isn't as bugged as her office and discuss it! :P)

Shadowcat101 wrote...

Felt like doing some fan art of Liara T’soni as she is in Mass Effect 2. I imaged the image to be just after she has dealt with Nyxeris on Illium. Was a bit sad she did not have a big role in ME2. But I’m hoping for a big one in ME3.
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That's great!  I wish I was that good at 2D.

drakkan1021 wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

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Please bare in mind I am left handed and was using my right to draw.


You made my day[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]


lol

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

It's just the wait that's going to be hell!


I can wait for a loooong time (If it turns out to be worth waiting for, that is) Image IPB.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I know it hurts in ME2 that Liara was not at your side during the mission at all, and it wasn't the same as the journey in ME1, but comfort yourself with this, as I did:

Liara will be at Shepard's side for the final, big, climatic battle in ME3, and the adventure beforehand. It makes me feel a hell of a lot better, and I know we'll be rewarded for staying faithful to her in ME2.

It's just the wait that's going to be hell!

No kidding, the wait will be bad as we are still waiting from ME1 end... yes ME2 don't count :P

I wonder how long it will take to make ME3? ME2 was released quicker than I thought it would be. Can one hope for a late 2011 maybe?

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You can always hope, but be careful what you hope for. The sooner it's released, the more content we'd like to see will be missing (again).

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Littledoom wrote...
No kidding, the wait will be bad as we are still waiting from ME1 end... yes ME2 don't count :P

I wonder how long it will take to make ME3? ME2 was released quicker than I thought it would be. Can one hope for a late 2011 maybe?


They did say ME3 wouldn't take as long as ME2 did to complete. If I remembered clearly, I read somewhere they have already finished the conclusion of the finale as well as the main part of the story. A middle to late 2011 release date could be a possibility considering ME3 is the finale, so they wouldn't need to worry much such as continuation variables for example.

So right now we all just have to hope the Liara DLC (if it does eventuate) will satisfy some of our desires enough that we can wait a tad bit more, so that by the time we play through ME3 we will get a very satisfying climax and ending. :happy: