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[OfTheFaintSmile]

I don't know about squadmate but I really want her as a LI I really like her personality alot, she's a sweet girl heh

[Deamon023]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Asari are anything but asexual.  Does he even know what that word means?

Nope. The Codex explicitly states that "Asari are not asexual". The guy doesn't know the lore of his own game...

Right in the quad, keep them coming Mox

[Mox Ruuga]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Comics selling out isn't uncommon - usually you basically subscribe at stores. Their print runs aren't very big because not a lot of people read comics (in comparison to other media, I mean).
The comic itself is very uneven, in both the art and the story. For everything it does right, it does something else very wrong. It really suffers because it can't make any assumptions about Shepard; Liara would likely be a fairly different character based on Shep being highly renegade or paragon, not to mention the effect of being Shep's lover would have on her search. I do wonder how they will end it - two issues are done and really not much has happened at all. I haven't been that impressed thus far, but I'll reserve final judgement until the series ends.

Yeah, they kinda pigeonholed Liara's character into being obsessed with Shep when they wrote her role for the comic. You can be a total ass to her in ME1, and she still "can't let you go"? What's worse, there's supposedly no difference in how she will behave towards Henry Shepard, my uber Renegade who rescued her at the very last moment and put her down every chance he could, and Grace Shepard, the idealistic Paragon who fell in love with her and cherished her as a lover and a friend.

Also, Tali's romance is totally fulfilling the same sort of wish/desire/whatever that Liara did in ME1. It's the shy, awkward nerdbait romance. Except now you can potentially kill your love interest by consummating your relationship!

Interesting observation. Perhaps Tali is meant to succeed that LI slot from Liara, as the "adorable" LI. I'd say it's likely, and Bioware won't have Liara back in her old "role". They'd want to keep the limited LI options different, after all. Wonder what this potentially means for Liara? We already have the "crazy/damaged woman" romance with Jack... The "feisty soldier with inner softness" romance with Ash. The "experienced ice queen who you can melt" romance with Miranda... And now Tali has stolen Liara's old "adorable inexperienced sweetheart" slot.

Any ideas? I have a few, all of them bad/depressing.

[bjdbwea]

Don't forget that Tali could be dead at the end of ME 2, while Liara is not. We'll just have to wait and see what BioWare makes of this. I for one am not buying Awakening right away, and I could just as well refrain from purchasing ME 3. And before someone finds it clever to remark that we shouldn't take the romances so seriously: I'm unhappy with many other changes in ME 2 as well, but since I have little hope for them to be rectified, the main story and the integration of the (ME 1) companions indeed is the deciding factor for me.

[WilliamShatner]

ComTrav wrote...

Dunno if this has been posted here yet:

www.comicbookresources.com/

ME: Redemption is selling out, apparently.

Any fan not happy with the direction they've taken with the character would best not read that interview unless you want to put your fist through your screen.

The only criticism from fans they think the comic has had is that it isn't "dark" enough, which they encourage us will be fixed in the final issue.  The rest is all high fives and roses. 

[Mox Ruuga]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Any fan not happy with the direction they've taken with the character would best not read that interview unless you want to put your fist through your screen.

The only criticism from fans they think the comic has had is that it isn't "dark" enough, which they encourage us will be fixed in the final issue.  The rest is all high fives and roses. 

Yeah...

"Miller: Liara was a very popular character in the first game, so it's not too surprising that gamers would be interested in following her further adventures. What we've been able to find out with the series is how motivated people were to learn more about her - and, at least so far, the results are very good."

A bunch of fv(king nonsense. People are up in arms about how her character has been wrecked, and it all begins in the comic book. Even people who, for reasons unknown, approve of a GrimDarked UnLiara as a concept, tend to admit that the writing for her was subpar in ME2.

[Alixen]

"I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite thread on the internet." /cheesygrin



Sorry, unoriginal, but I couldn't resist.



But seriously. I want my Liara back.

[Sharn01]

WilliamShatner wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

Dunno if this has been posted here yet:

www.comicbookresources.com/

ME: Redemption is selling out, apparently.

Any fan not happy with the direction they've taken with the character would best not read that interview unless you want to put your fist through your screen.

The only criticism from fans they think the comic has had is that it isn't "dark" enough, which they encourage us will be fixed in the final issue.  The rest is all high fives and roses. 

What a bunch of horse crap, I have not seen a positive responce to the comic's or how Liara has been treated any where on these forum's.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I also have yet to see a positive response about the comic.



If anything it should still be taken as a good sign. People are so desperate to get more Liara, theyll endure a crappy comic book that ruins what little of her character it portrays, and are still here talking about her crappy role in ME2.



Might be a hint that Bioware should consider following up on their promise that she will be a major part of ME3, and make sure that "major part" doesnt have anything to do with being "cameod" again. Instead make sure shes a squadmate again with a massive presence in the story to make up for the almost complete absence from ME2.

[stillnotking]

Liara is the most likely former squaddie to be one in ME3, because she's the only one guaranteed to be alive.

[speedy111280]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Any fan not happy with the direction they've taken with the character would best not read that interview unless you want to put your fist through your screen.

The only criticism from fans they think the comic has had is that it isn't "dark" enough, which they encourage us will be fixed in the final issue.  The rest is all high fives and roses. 

Yeah...

"Miller: Liara was a very popular character in the first game, so it's not too surprising that gamers would be interested in following her further adventures. What we've been able to find out with the series is how motivated people were to learn more about her - and, at least so far, the results are very good."

A bunch of fv(king nonsense. People are up in arms about how her character has been wrecked, and it all begins in the comic book. Even people who, for reasons unknown, approve of a GrimDarked UnLiara as a concept, tend to admit that the writing for her was subpar in ME2.

I have to disagree with you Mox. That is a broad generalization based on the number of people in these forums who dislike Liara's appearance in ME2. I think nothing of the sort (there are people that agree with me just as there are those that agree with you) and the fans here do not speak for every single fan, in fact they speak for a very small portion of the actual ME fanbase because the average ME fan is not going to spend as much time on here as we do. In fact from other fandoms I've seen the ones who spend time on forums tend to be the ones who dislike or like something rather vehemently and that skew's their perception on how the rest of the fans perceive things. The complaints are just louder and more obvious here, the love is too; this thread and the Tali threads are good examples of both.

I'm personally not up in arms about anything to do with Liara. I think the writing in ME2 for Liara wasn't bad, the writing for Shepard was bad because Shepard has almost no emotional reaction to anything in ME2. Liara was written just fine in ME2 and there is nothing wrong with her characterization in the comic either. The only thing we've seen from Liara so far in the comic is how obsessed she is with getting Shepard back and how far she's willing to go to do it. Which honestly, is not wildly out of character for a woman who spent 50 years out on her own chasing after clues to what caused the Prothean extinction.

[Sharn01]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I have to say though, I did find Liara's flashback to the destruction of the Normandy at the beginning of issue 2 to be quite moving. Her monologue, her sorrow and her seeming guilt for what happened to Shepard was quite sad, IMO. Liara really does suffer a lot in the two years Shepard is away.

Yet none of that is revealed in the game, and Shepard sits there like an idiot unable to say anything about how s/he feel about Liara, and the dialog is exactly the same regardless of whether or not your romanced her in ME1.

I have not read the comic, and I am guessing most of the people who play Mass Effect will also not read the comic, they need to put enough content in the actual game its self for us to understand what is happening with the character's.  

And when I say the actual game, I mean the game on disk, you cant expect people to get DLC and then go back and replay the game over 3 month's later to see the new addition's for something that defines one of the games primary character's, and I would be surprised if we even get that much.

[flem1]

This thread started off so nice, and now it's all full of bitterness and anger.

Sort of like...

Modifié par flem1, 16 février 2010 - 12:26 .

[Nozybidaj]

WilliamShatner wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

Dunno if this has been posted here yet:

www.comicbookresources.com/

ME: Redemption is selling out, apparently.

Any fan not happy with the direction they've taken with the character would best not read that interview unless you want to put your fist through your screen.

The only criticism from fans they think the comic has had is that it isn't "dark" enough, which they encourage us will be fixed in the final issue.  The rest is all high fives and roses. 

LOL, well obviously it is just a PR piece.  They fact that they say "One of the common criticisms
I've been hearing around - besides positive comments that they've loved
what they saw so far - is that the art may need a darker tone in the
lighting and the acting." which is the complete opposite of reality.  They obviously haven't seen any feedback from this forum.

[lord berwick]

flem1 wrote...

This thread started off so nice, and now it's all full of bitterness and anger.

Sort of like...

I don't think it's bitterness or anger flem.  It's just plain disappointment.

[KumoriOokami]

http://metal-dragon-...640#Mass-Effect This person's Liara fanart really cheered me up.

[Sharn01]

flem1 wrote...

This thread started off so nice, and now it's all full of bitterness and anger.

Sort of like...

I am just angry, and many other's are, the more you try to celebrate Liara from ME1 the more you realize there is nothing to celebrate from ME2.

If people have something positive about Liara I do want to see it, I think we all do, it will probably come down to some people keeping the thread together with happy thoughts and other's bashing Bioware to do better, if we start to lean one way too much, the thread will die off I think.

[flem1]

Oh, I'm just noting the irony.

- Investigate -> Anger at Bioware
- "That anger can't be just from what you told me. What else happened between you and Bioware?"
[...]
- "And that's why I have to bash Bioware. For what they did to Liara, and to Ashley & Kaidan, and whatever they're doing with those comic books."

Modifié par flem1, 16 février 2010 - 12:44 .

[WilliamShatner]

flem1 wrote...

This thread started off so nice, and now it's all full of bitterness and anger.

Sort of like...

People waited two years to see the continuation of these characters and relationship and .... this ... is what we got. You can't blame anyone for feeling angry and bitter about it.

[Nozybidaj]

WilliamShatner wrote...


People waited two years to see the continuation of these characters and relationship and .... this ... is what we got. You can't blame anyone for feeling angry and bitter about it.

This.

[speedy111280]

Sharn01 wrote...

Yet none of that is revealed in the game, and Shepard sits there like an idiot unable to say anything about how s/he feel about Liara, and the dialog is exactly the same regardless of whether or not your romanced her in ME1.

I have not read the comic, and I am guessing most of the people who play Mass Effect will also not read the comic, they need to put enough content in the actual game its self for us to understand what is happening with the character's.  

And when I say the actual game, I mean the game on disk, you cant expect people to get DLC and then go back and replay the game over 3 month's later to see the new addition's for something that defines one of the games primary character's, and I would be surprised if we even get that much.

I believe that comic readership will depend on how much someone is wanting more ME content and if they are willing to spend additional money for it. Not everyone will read it, I doubt they'd print that many copies,  but many will. I'm not generally a comic person myself but I've read it and honestly if they included the info in the comic in the game, there would be a lot of dialogue that many would not sit through. Liara fans might, but Liara's explanation of why she's going after the SB is a nice, short summary of the entire comic without giving the entire comic away. 

Honestly, I don't blame Bioware for putting this in a comic. The games are Shepard's story and Redemption is not about Shepard for the most part and because of the timeline of the game the story is out of place in ME2. It would not help anything to have this in the game, unless they wanted to force people to play as Liara for a long stretch before getting back to playing Shepard. I don't think that would have gone over well at all. As for any DLC tying the events of the comic more into the game itself, Bioware made it so you don't have to go back and replay the whole game to do any DLC missions. Which is a nice bloody change from ME1 where you actually had to go back and replay the game to do the DLC. The devs don't expect fans to do anything but they know that fans will pay for more content. How many people downloaded every DLC for Oblivion and Fallout 3? A fair number did and I'm sure a fair number will download any DLC they release for ME2.

[SurfaceBeneath]

flem1 wrote...

This thread started off so nice, and now it's all full of bitterness and anger.

Sort of like...

Such is the fate of all Liara themed threads.

I have a theory that Liara might actually be a succubus that has ensorcelled the population of this thread in to fanatic troglodytes with a taste for Bioware blood.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 16 février 2010 - 01:18 .