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[TheDove]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

How has this reached 17 pages?

Why are you crying over "right and wrong" and "over-the-top" in the RENEGADE choice?

FFS she's a manipulative reporter, she's a sub-human piece of trash. What the hell is the problem here?

I would have murdered her right there if given the choice.

Because they're white knights.

[Inverness Moon]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...
PS. there's a hormone that men have more of that is responsible for all 3 of these things.

I actually believe that that same hormone is partly responsible for a lot of the "internet though guy" responses in this thread.

The horse isn't getting any deader.

[Welder0]

She had it coming. If you want all the theoretical privileges of men, then you get all of the consequences that accompany them.



Men who allow their alligator mouths (and actions) to overload their mosquito arses are sometimes required to throw down.



Welcome to our world ladies...

[lokiarchetype]

Abriael_CG wrote...

lokiarchetype wrote...
Whether you pat yourself on the pat or not does not concern me.  I care about facts, not someone's self approval.

And the "facts" is that Shepard is a statistically appropriate well built man wearing a combat armor and hits a statistically appropriate small woman with a punch in the face.

The rest is just sophistry and devil's advocacy for the sake of arguing.

Arguing for the sake of arguing is the best and most pure kind.  Otherwise feelings and agendas get in the way. 

A military trained, physically imposing person sucker-punched an untrained, considerably smaller and weaker person.

Gender is an unnecessary variable.  Strength, weight, training are all good indicators on how one-sided this was.  Gender is, at best, an indicator of some of the former attributes.  Given that it is an imperfect indicator, it makes more sense just to refer to the actual attributes at work.

[ashmiranda3waymm]

lokiarchetype wrote...

Whether you pat yourself on the pat or not does not concern me.  I care about facts, not someone's self approval.

As far away from eachother as you'd like to suggest the means are, you admit, and you have to admit, that there is overlap.  There exists women that are as strong as men, and women that are stronger than men, no matter how small the percentage is, it exists, and that is enough.

As such, gender doesn't adequately represent physical strength better than physical strength itself.

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.

Quick question. If there was a hypothetical drug that cured 95% of a disease but did not work on 5% of subjects, would you label the drug as a cure for the disease or would you simply say the 5% failure rate is enough to say the drug is irrelevant to those with the disease?

Try not to hurt yourself on that one.

Saying something is unnecessary and saying it is not true in all cases are not even remotely the same thing. Going back to statistics, we say something is statistically significant when it is an indicator of another factor. In this case, being male is an extremely statistically significant indicator that you are stronger than a female. Taking this into consideration, it has been passed down for generations that men should not involve themselves in the hitting of women and should focus on fighting each other. If you don't like this, so be it.

[mawmaw17]

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

I feel this this entire thread is a troll attempt because if the OP is dissatisfied with the renegade interrupt, don't do it then. If you are angered that you even have the choice of making that decision, then resell the game or better yet make a mod to your liking. If you are angry of the portrayal of male on female violence, go help at a woman's battery shelter because the reality of it is more important than any work of fiction.

If you worry about the situation or continuity of the story, I will explain the context of renegade Shepard's actions (if he saved the Council). Essentially, she is using the deaths of 2400 people to justify Shepard is a "crappy" person with no regard for what they did or how many lives were saved. She put her own agenda over the respect for families of those alive and lost during that battle with the reasoning that their lives or deaths meant nothing. If that does not deserve a punch, then I don't know what does.[/quote]
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No one cares about your damn post. Go away.
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ITS WORKING

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I'M INCLINED TO COUNTER-INTUITIVELY DISAGREE.

[quote]lokiarchetype wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.


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And also this ^^^
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

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I wonder if one post can take up an entire page.

[talbainx]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...
PS. there's a hormone that men have more of that is responsible for all 3 of these things.

I actually believe that that same hormone is partly responsible for a lot of the "internet though guy" responses in this thread.

We've been over this already.
It's incredibly funny of you denouncing this while you did the very same thing in this thread.

[ODST 3]

Why does this matter? The character that punches the **** is supposed to be a bad guy...

[Saroslol]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...
PS. there's a hormone that men have more of that is responsible for all 3 of these things.

I actually believe that that same hormone is partly responsible for a lot of the "internet though guy" responses in this thread.

I actually believe that lack of said hormone is directly responsible for the creation of this thread.

[ashmiranda3waymm]

ODST 3 wrote...

Why does this matter? The character that punches the **** is supposed to be a bad guy...

You clearly don't understand what Bioware purposed for the Paragon/Renegade options.

[GnusmasTHX]

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

I feel this this entire thread is a troll attempt because if the OP is dissatisfied with the renegade interrupt, don't do it then. If you are angered that you even have the choice of making that decision, then resell the game or better yet make a mod to your liking. If you are angry of the portrayal of male on female violence, go help at a woman's battery shelter because the reality of it is more important than any work of fiction.

If you worry about the situation or continuity of the story, I will explain the context of renegade Shepard's actions (if he saved the Council). Essentially, she is using the deaths of 2400 people to justify Shepard is a "crappy" person with no regard for what they did or how many lives were saved. She put her own agenda over the respect for families of those alive and lost during that battle with the reasoning that their lives or deaths meant nothing. If that does not deserve a punch, then I don't know what does.[/quote]
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No one cares about your damn post. Go away.
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ITS WORKING

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I'M INCLINED TO COUNTER-INTUITIVELY DISAGREE.

[quote]lokiarchetype wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.


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And also this ^^^
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

WHOOPS DOUBLE POST

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I wonder if one post can take up an entire page.

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I think the text conforms and is regulated to encompass the most reasonable amount of space on a given page without obscuring it entirely.

*Text size, I mean.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 05 février 2010 - 04:05 .

[mawmaw17]

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

I feel this this entire thread is a troll attempt because if the OP is dissatisfied with the renegade interrupt, don't do it then. If you are angered that you even have the choice of making that decision, then resell the game or better yet make a mod to your liking. If you are angry of the portrayal of male on female violence, go help at a woman's battery shelter because the reality of it is more important than any work of fiction.

If you worry about the situation or continuity of the story, I will explain the context of renegade Shepard's actions (if he saved the Council). Essentially, she is using the deaths of 2400 people to justify Shepard is a "crappy" person with no regard for what they did or how many lives were saved. She put her own agenda over the respect for families of those alive and lost during that battle with the reasoning that their lives or deaths meant nothing. If that does not deserve a punch, then I don't know what does.[/quote]
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No one cares about your damn post. Go away.
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ITS WORKING

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I'M INCLINED TO COUNTER-INTUITIVELY DISAGREE.

[quote]lokiarchetype wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.


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And also this ^^^
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

WHOOPS DOUBLE POST

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I wonder if one post can take up an entire page.

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What happens if you divide by zero?

[ashmiranda3waymm]

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

I feel this this entire thread is a troll attempt because if the OP is dissatisfied with the renegade interrupt, don't do it then. If you are angered that you even have the choice of making that decision, then resell the game or better yet make a mod to your liking. If you are angry of the portrayal of male on female violence, go help at a woman's battery shelter because the reality of it is more important than any work of fiction.

If you worry about the situation or continuity of the story, I will explain the context of renegade Shepard's actions (if he saved the Council). Essentially, she is using the deaths of 2400 people to justify Shepard is a "crappy" person with no regard for what they did or how many lives were saved. She put her own agenda over the respect for families of those alive and lost during that battle with the reasoning that their lives or deaths meant nothing. If that does not deserve a punch, then I don't know what does.[/quote]
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No one cares about your damn post. Go away.
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ITS WORKING

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I'M INCLINED TO COUNTER-INTUITIVELY DISAGREE.

[quote]lokiarchetype wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.


[/quote]

And also this ^^^
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

WHOOPS DOUBLE POST

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I wonder if one post can take up an entire page.

[/quote]

What happens if you divide by zero?

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Cerberus ftw

[mawmaw17]

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

I feel this this entire thread is a troll attempt because if the OP is dissatisfied with the renegade interrupt, don't do it then. If you are angered that you even have the choice of making that decision, then resell the game or better yet make a mod to your liking. If you are angry of the portrayal of male on female violence, go help at a woman's battery shelter because the reality of it is more important than any work of fiction.

If you worry about the situation or continuity of the story, I will explain the context of renegade Shepard's actions (if he saved the Council). Essentially, she is using the deaths of 2400 people to justify Shepard is a "crappy" person with no regard for what they did or how many lives were saved. She put her own agenda over the respect for families of those alive and lost during that battle with the reasoning that their lives or deaths meant nothing. If that does not deserve a punch, then I don't know what does.[/quote]
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No one cares about your damn post. Go away.
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ITS WORKING

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I'M INCLINED TO COUNTER-INTUITIVELY DISAGREE.

[quote]lokiarchetype wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.


[/quote]

And also this ^^^
[/quote]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

WHOOPS DOUBLE POST

[/quote]

I wonder if one post can take up an entire page.

[/quote]

I think the text conforms and is regulated to encompass the most reasonable amount of space on a given page without obscuring it entirely.

*Text size, I mean.
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Thank you for the response. :happy:

[ODST 3]

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

Why does this matter? The character that punches the **** is supposed to be a bad guy...

You clearly don't understand what Bioware purposed for the Paragon/Renegade options.

You're right! Renegade is supposed to be a ROLE MODEL! That's why he can let the innocents die and torture prisoners and kill aliens he doesn't like.

[talbainx]

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

I feel this this entire thread is a troll attempt because if the OP is dissatisfied with the renegade interrupt, don't do it then. If you are angered that you even have the choice of making that decision, then resell the game or better yet make a mod to your liking. If you are angry of the portrayal of male on female violence, go help at a woman's battery shelter because the reality of it is more important than any work of fiction.

If you worry about the situation or continuity of the story, I will explain the context of renegade Shepard's actions (if he saved the Council). Essentially, she is using the deaths of 2400 people to justify Shepard is a "crappy" person with no regard for what they did or how many lives were saved. She put her own agenda over the respect for families of those alive and lost during that battle with the reasoning that their lives or deaths meant nothing. If that does not deserve a punch, then I don't know what does.[/quote]
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No one cares about your damn post. Go away.
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ITS WORKING

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I'M INCLINED TO COUNTER-INTUITIVELY DISAGREE.

[quote]lokiarchetype wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.


[/quote]

And also this ^^^
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

WHOOPS DOUBLE POST

[/quote]

I wonder if one post can take up an entire page.

[/quote]

What happens if you divide by zero?

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Cerberus ftw
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Quote tower is growing.

[Saroslol]

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

[Homebound]

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

I feel this this entire thread is a troll attempt because if the OP is dissatisfied with the renegade interrupt, don't do it then. If you are angered that you even have the choice of making that decision, then resell the game or better yet make a mod to your liking. If you are angry of the portrayal of male on female violence, go help at a woman's battery shelter because the reality of it is more important than any work of fiction.

If you worry about the situation or continuity of the story, I will explain the context of renegade Shepard's actions (if he saved the Council). Essentially, she is using the deaths of 2400 people to justify Shepard is a "crappy" person with no regard for what they did or how many lives were saved. She put her own agenda over the respect for families of those alive and lost during that battle with the reasoning that their lives or deaths meant nothing. If that does not deserve a punch, then I don't know what does.[/quote]
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No one cares about your damn post. Go away.
[/quote]

ITS WORKING

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I'M INCLINED TO COUNTER-INTUITIVELY DISAGREE.

[quote]lokiarchetype wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.


[/quote]

And also this ^^^
[/quote]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

WHOOPS DOUBLE POST

[/quote]

I wonder if one post can take up an entire page.

[/quote]

What happens if you divide by zero?

[/quote]

Cerberus ftw
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Thread Summary:  It's just a game. 

[lokiarchetype]

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

Quick question. If there was a hypothetical drug that cured 95% of a disease but did not work on 5% of subjects, would you label the drug as a cure for the disease or would you simply say the 5% failure rate is enough to say the drug is irrelevant to those with the disease?

Try not to hurt yourself on that one.

Saying something is unnecessary and saying it is not true in all cases are not even remotely the same thing. Going back to statistics, we say something is statistically significant when it is an indicator of another factor. In this case, being male is an extremely statistically significant indicator that you are stronger than a female. Taking this into consideration, it has been passed down for generations that men should not involve themselves in the hitting of women and should focus on fighting each other. If you don't like this, so be it.

I'm sorry, but I've yet to see a justification for why referring to gender as a proxy for physical strength makes more sense than just refering to physical strength itself.

Using "Gender" to refer to "Strength" is unnecessary, in and of itself.
Furthermore, it is not true in all instances, which makes it a bad idea, on top of being unnecessary.

[GnusmasTHX]

[quote]Crawling_Chaos wrote...

[quote]talbainx wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]GnusmasTHX wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

[quote]mawmaw17 wrote...

I feel this this entire thread is a troll attempt because if the OP is dissatisfied with the renegade interrupt, don't do it then. If you are angered that you even have the choice of making that decision, then resell the game or better yet make a mod to your liking. If you are angry of the portrayal of male on female violence, go help at a woman's battery shelter because the reality of it is more important than any work of fiction.

If you worry about the situation or continuity of the story, I will explain the context of renegade Shepard's actions (if he saved the Council). Essentially, she is using the deaths of 2400 people to justify Shepard is a "crappy" person with no regard for what they did or how many lives were saved. She put her own agenda over the respect for families of those alive and lost during that battle with the reasoning that their lives or deaths meant nothing. If that does not deserve a punch, then I don't know what does.[/quote]
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No one cares about your damn post. Go away.
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ITS WORKING

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I'M INCLINED TO COUNTER-INTUITIVELY DISAGREE.

[quote]lokiarchetype wrote...

[quote]ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

If physical strength is the foundation of your principle, then it makes more sense to say "It is wrong to punch someone weaker than yourself" rather than involve unnecessary factors that are not true in all cases.


[/quote]

And also this ^^^
[/quote]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

WHOOPS DOUBLE POST

[/quote]

I wonder if one post can take up an entire page.

[/quote]

What happens if you divide by zero?

[/quote]

Cerberus ftw
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Quote tower is growing.

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Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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THIS IS MADNESS.

There is a Reaper, whose name is Death,
And, with his sickle keen,
He reaps the bearded grain at a breath,
And the flowers that grow between.

"Shall I have naught that is fair?" Saith he;
"Having naught but the bearded grain?
Though the breath of these flowers is sweet to me,
I will give them all back again,"

He gazed at the flowers with tearful eye,
He kissed their drooping leaves;
It was for the Lord of Paradise
He bound them in his sheaves.

"My Lord has need of these floweretsgay,"
The Reaper said, and smiled:
"Dear tokens of the earth are they,
Where he was once a child."

"They shall all bloom in fields of light,
Transplanted by my care,
And saints, upon their garments white,
These sacred blossoms wear."

And the mother gave, in tears and pain,
The flowers she most did love:
She knew she should find them all again
In the fields of light above.

O, not in cruelty, not in wrath,
The Reaper came that day;
'Twas an angel visited the green earth,
And took the flowers away.

[Homebound]

Unato wrote...

emotional response triggered

+1 to Bioware