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#201
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[QUOTE]
What I find odd is that you pointed out this
renegade action in particular, when in other ones you throw an unarmed
person out a window, burn people to death, incite a drugged person to
charge into their own death, and jab a welder into an unsuspecting
person's back..

I simply didn't see those. [/quote]

[/quote]
whelp, now you know to avoid them, so you don't have to argue with the community for an hour because you "can't communicate" with them

Modifié par binaryemperor, 03 février 2010 - 09:30 .


#202
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Abriael_CG wrote...

Felix Golden wrote...
Renegade characters arnt villanious though...they are more akin to anti hero, the person who works outside of moral and social bounds, someone who doesnt care what people think of him so long as they are saved.

Its the difference between Superman and Batman, not Superman and Lex Luthor, if you would prefer that analogy.


Mmmh maybe superman and Lobo, I doubt  Batman, even in his darkest moments, would really ever punch an unarmed woman in the face.
Not surprising that I love Batman, but i find Lobo quite sub-par, writing-wise...


I am refering to the character archetypes...not the characters themselves Superman being a paragon and Batman being a renegade(anti hero)

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Felix Golden wrote...
I am refering to the character archetypes...not the characters themselves Superman being a paragon and Batman being a renegade(anti hero)


yeah, what I mean is that 100% renegade shepard is more of a complete psycho that sometimes happens to do something in favor of the galaxy (like Lobo) than an actual Anti-hero. Hence my opinion that he's quite badly written.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 février 2010 - 09:33 .


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Abriael_CG wrote...

Felix Golden wrote.
Your arguing from the base that Popular support is what you are after.


This doesn't really change the fact that you basically give the reporter a moral victory over you.
Also, that's my whole point. A believable villanious character would probably seek public support to further his goals instead of alienating it just for the sake of punching someone that made him angry.

That's my whole gripe with the Paragon/Renegade split actually. It's so extremely stereotyped that it makes me cringe...

Renegades aren't villains, they are anti-heroes. They do not have a diabolical evil plan. They are people who give into their darker impulses.

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DBHolm wrote...
Renegades aren't villains, they are anti-heroes. They do not have a diabolical evil plan. They are people who give into their darker impulses.


That is true, but "darker" shouldn't necessarily mean "stupid".
That's the difference between a believable character and a complete psycho

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 février 2010 - 09:34 .


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Abriael_CG wrote...


But the council doesn't believe to the reapers' threat, so they don't feel a "doomsday" danger incoming for the galaxy.


No, but they do, however believe in the respective threat of the Geths and the Collectors.

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Abriael_CG wrote...

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Don't want her punched? Don't hit the interrupt.


You should have read the OP better. You do not *know* that shepard is going off on such an extreme action until you do it. There are at least 5 different things he could have done instead that would have still fit in the "renegade" character without being such an absolute douche.

That's hardly control over the action.


BS.

You press the renegade interrupt button with the intent to get physical; whatever the consequence is, you initiated it. End of story.

You could punch the reporter in ME1.  This is no different. In fact, it was even expected.

This entire thread could now fall under the category of nit-picking. The dialog choices on the wheel aren't even word for word to what Shepard actually says. I should probably complain about how my Shepard says "Hey!" instead of the "Hello" written on the wheel. You NEVER know what Shepard is going to do hitting an interrupt, or even exactly what he'll say when selecting from the wheel.

Besides, there's some obvious sexist  overtone in your thread title and OP. It's not sexist to hit someone whose being annoying. What's sexist is expecting better treatment because you're a woman. What's hypocritical is demanding equal rights and still expecting this double standard to hold true. Hitting anybody for no reason isn't good, but hitting a woman for no reason is just as bad as hitting a man. In this case; however, Shepard had a reason. Ideally; abuse is abuse, socially; this obviously isn't the case. 

Rational would minds peel away the stupidity of the "hitting a woman" and direct the thread over to "hitting a civilian". With that in mind; Shepard is a Spectre; he can hit, maim or kill whoever he wants.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 03 février 2010 - 09:44 .


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talbainx wrote...
No, but they do, however believe in the respective threat of the Geths and the Collectors.


Actually Anderson states quite clearly that the Geth are a declining threat "more of a clean-up operation than anything else" I believe he says, and the Collectors are considered a strictly human problem.

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Abriael_CG wrote...

Felix Golden wrote...
Renegade characters arnt villanious though...they are more akin to anti hero, the person who works outside of moral and social bounds, someone who doesnt care what people think of him so long as they are saved.

Its the difference between Superman and Batman, not Superman and Lex Luthor, if you would prefer that analogy.


Mmmh maybe superman and Lobo, I doubt  Batman, even in his darkest moments, would really ever punch an unarmed woman in the face.
Not surprising that I love Batman, but i find Lobo quite sub-par, writing-wise...


Batman kicked a helpless Poison Ivy in the face once.

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Abriael_CG wrote...

talbainx wrote...
No, but they do, however believe in the respective threat of the Geths and the Collectors.


Actually Anderson states quite clearly that the Geth are a declining threat "more of a clean-up operation than anything else" I believe he says, and the Collectors are considered a strictly human problem.


Well depending on your choice, The council can be dominated by humans.
And as for the paragon way, You still hear newsflash about turians wanting to increase the galaxy's fleet number due to recent attacks. So they don't wish to get involved, but they still see a looming threat overhead.

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GnusmasTHX wrote...
You press the renegade interrupt button with the intent to get physical; whatever the consequence is, you initiated it. End of story.


There are several ways to get physical without hitting an unarmed woman that's doing nothing else than talking in the face. Expecially when there's a very convenient floating camera a few inches from her face. The problem is that you have absolutely no control over it.

You could punch the reporter in ME1.  This is no different.


Not everyone played ME1, and even if I did, not everyone played that particular option.

Rational would minds peel away the stupidity of the "hitting a woman" and direct the thread over to "hitting a civilian". With that in mind; Shepard is a Spectre; he can hit, maim or kill whoever he wants.


In fact I don't remember speaking about reason, as much as about feeling, now, did I?

Maria Caliban wrote...
Batman kicked a helpless Poison Ivy in the face once.


That'sa  very free use of the world "helpless". Poison Ivy is actually and in concept never helpless.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 février 2010 - 09:46 .


#212
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You also have to remember, your the person who kicked sarens rear along with half of his geth and krogan clone army, with only two other (minor) people at your side, what are they going to do? Arrest you?



Who in C Sec in their right mind would think THATS a good idea? :D



Counsel: "Arrest that man, he punched a reporter!"

Shepard: "Go ahead and try, you know who i am."

CSec: "Ya we think we will go find doughnuts now..."

Counsel: "Curses!"

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Felix Golden wrote...
Counsel: "Arrest that man, he punched a reporter!"
Shepard: "Go ahead and try, you know who i am."
CSec: "Ya we think we will go find doughnuts now..."
Counsel: "Curses!"


Umh, personally I doubt the council is THAT powerless. If they decided to directly act against shepard, they would at the very least severely damage him and his cause.
They have other spectres, the salarian special forces, asari commandos... Not just Csec.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 février 2010 - 09:48 .


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*yawn* So what? Don't care what gender someone is, if they have it coming for a long time then one day it'll reach them.

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In the first game, it was funny to punch her, I didn't expect it. This time is was just wrong....



She had a freakin' bloody nose and bruise on the side of her face! I felt a little bad for doing that.

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Unato wrote...

emotional response triggered

+1 to Bioware



#217
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Abriael_CG wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...
You press the renegade interrupt button with the intent to get physical; whatever the consequence is, you initiated it. End of story.


There are several ways to get physical without hitting an unarmed woman that's doing nothing else than talking in the face. Expecially when there's a very convenient floating camera a few inches from her face. The problem is that you have absolutely no control over it.

You could punch the reporter in ME1.  This is no different.


Not everyone played ME1, and even if I did, not everyone played that particular option.


Yeah... So a nit-picking thread.

BioWare should totally have different interrupt icons for the same alignment.

Call them Renegade and Renegade-lite.

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Abriael_CG wrote...

Felix Golden wrote...
Counsel: "Arrest that man, he punched a reporter!"
Shepard: "Go ahead and try, you know who i am."
CSec: "Ya we think we will go find doughnuts now..."
Counsel: "Curses!"


Umh, personally I doubt the council is THAT powerless. If they decided to directly act against shepard, they would at the very least severely damage him and his cause.
They have other spectres, the salarian special forces, asari commandos... Not just Csec.


Other spectres? Killed em
Salarian Special Forces? I have killed plenty of Salarians
Asari Commandos? Yep killed those ones too...

The only edge they have up on Shep is in space, and once you have your cannon online you could tear alot of ships a new one, not to mention the friends you have in Cerberus and the Alliance.

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Yes, I'm sure the Council and C-Sec would keep the only person who can save the galaxy in custody because he assaulted someone.



"The world is going down in flames, but Shepard punched a chick that probably deserved it. It's all about principles."

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Shepard punched her for the good of the Alliance, the Turians and Humanity!

#221
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GnusmasTHX wrote...
Yeah... So a nit-picking thread.
BioWare should totally have different interrupt icons for the same alignment.
Call them Renegade and Renegade-lite.


Personally I feel that the interrupt system as a whole is pretty clumsy, and remove control from the player. You get, at the very least, a few helpful hints on what your character is gonna do from the dialogue wheel, as stereotyped as it still is, it helps you decide on what to do. The interrupts are a gimmick, a nice gimmick for a while, but just another sign of the downturn of this game from an RPG to an action game.

Felix Golden wrote...
Other spectres? Killed em
Salarian Special Forces? I have killed plenty of Salarians
Asari Commandos? Yep killed those ones too...


You killed one spectre and some of the others, and just because they were acting alone or in small groups. You didn't really exterminate them all. Sheperd never faces a coordinated hostile action from the council (which is the most powerful government of the galaxy). He's not superman, and having the three most powerful races of the galaxy against him isn't exactly giung to help him.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 03 février 2010 - 09:56 .


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Abriael_CG wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Batman kicked a helpless Poison Ivy in the face once.


That'sa  very free use of the world "helpless".  Poison Ivy is actually and in concept never helpless.


Wrong. He had immunized himself to her poisons/pheromones and killed all of her plants with some chemical. She was helpless, she suggested he loved her, and Batman kicked her in the face.

You could suggest that this was out of character for Batman, but he still did it.

#223
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Is it really so serious to punch woman within the game?

#224
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Massadonious1 wrote...

Yes, I'm sure the Council and C-Sec would keep the only person who can save the galaxy in custody because he assaulted someone.

"The world is going down in flames, but Shepard punched a chick that probably deserved it. It's all about principles."


I don't even know why this is a discussion.

NO ONE can keep Shepard in custody.

He's literally the baddest mofo in the galaxy; and now has a posse of killing-machines loyal to him, and not Cerberus.

Unless the Council has it's own sentient-super-squid-machine... Then we're safe.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 03 février 2010 - 09:54 .


#225
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Batman at his finest:

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