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[ERJAK2]

Scire The Warden wrote...

Hmm, because she's straight with quarians, and because humans are so much like quarians that for her it's almost the same thing.

You don't know what quarian's look like beyond backwards knees, three fingers, two  HUGE toes, luminescent eyes(she might not even have just two eyes), and breasts. 

Admit it, you saw the breasts and the legs and said "OH must be human looking under that." Also, nothing says she's straight with quarians. Commander shepard is the only person she's ever shown attraction to.

[Kolaris8472]

Scire The Warden wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Scire The Warden wrote...

Kolaris, as if the physiology of the aliens didn't make it obvious enough...Does bioware have to explicity state it? really?

You think just because they have two legs, two arms, two eyes (whoops! Batarians excluded), they also "get in on" in the same way? 

Volus have two eyes two arms and two legs, but you don't see any of their suits "bulging" to be on the crass side. 

If you cannot realize that Bioware intended to make them as similar to humans as possible, and if you further cannot see the similarty from the Tali romance scene, I have nothing further to say to you as nothing i say will get through.

Alright, let's reverse this. If you cannot realize that Bioware intended to make them as different from humans as possible, and if you further cannot see the difference from the various codex entries, established racial traits, and conversations I'm not sure what will get through to you. 

They can't eat the same food and they require completely different sets of amino acids for nourishment. 

So, what, you've got an artistic perspective and I've got a lore one? Its an ambiguous issue at best. 

[ERJAK2]

Scire The Warden wrote...

Hmm, because she's straight with quarians, and because humans are so much like quarians that for her it's almost the same thing.

That's like saying-shephard is already bi, why not jump ship completly and romance EDI/Legion/The Galaxy map?

False analogy, hetero/bi/******-sexuality are orientations. Xenophilia is a fetish. Apples to oranges.(my original analogy was only slightly better so i forgive) 

And again, she's shown no inclination towards ANY quarian.

[Scire The Warden]

So i'm assuming you think it's a stretch to say that quarians go male-female to produce children right?

EDIT: Above, either way it's a romantic interest in something.  slapping on a different name doesn't change the content.  That's just avoiding the question.

I also like how you guys throw around "logical fallacy" without ever backing it up.  I could do the same to all of your arguments.

Modifié par Scire The Warden, 04 février 2010 - 12:25 .

[HAGA NAGA]

ItalyIshida wrote...

You're not the only one OP! I was so disappointed that my FemShep couldn't hook it up with Tali I waited so long and was so hopeful. We were going to hook suits! Hook SUITS! The only reason I'm even playing a male Shepard is for Tali.

same here. i was shattered. i went from honestly thinking it wouldn't be a possibility with Femshep but hoping (before i played ME2), to getting super excited when she kept saying so many "sweet" things and eventually expressing her desire to Hook Suits, to bewilderment at the cesation of dialogue, to be utterly upset and posting this thread. 

there's still time to fix it, don't give up!

[ERJAK2]

Radahldo wrote...

She's (currently) exclusive for maleShep because funding for an exclusive F/F pairing is unlikely; it is not that the devs explored her characters sexuality, considering F/F and M/M equally. You guys are just being unfair acting as if it were so.
The physical barrier of her suit, one of the anchoring points of her design.. after overcoming that, gender is what she discriminates against? Thats just asinine.

This^

[Scire The Warden]

Erjak, what' s wrong with that quote is she overcomes the suit BECAUSE sSHE WANTS TO HAVE A ROMANCE WITH MALESHEP, not that she overcomes the suit so she can have a romance with anybody.  If it were the second way, i would agree with you.  It's like saying an athelete trains so hard to get into the olympics for sprinting and then discriminates against <insert non serious sprinting competition here> 

Modifié par Scire The Warden, 04 février 2010 - 12:29 .

[HAGA NAGA]

DaeJi wrote...

People are really dead set on not altering a character to appeal to a set of fans that the developers altered to appeal to a set of fans.

that is one of the best things i've read in here. awesome.

[Scire The Warden]

Haga, maybe if you were a bit more open minded and didn't just dismiss all the opposition arguments out of hand it would be a bit more productive.

[ERJAK2]

Scire The Warden wrote...

So i'm assuming you think it's a stretch to say that quarians go male-female to produce children right?

EDIT: Above, either way it's a romantic interest in something.  slapping on a different name doesn't change the content. 

No, it's not a stretch, but then again, that wasn't even remotley related what I was saying soooo...yeah...

I agree, so she's not straight/bi/or gay, she's a xenophile, no reason she shouldn't be with femshep.

[Scire The Warden]

No, there's a difference. She's straight, and because human males are so similar looking to quarian males for her it's the same thing. That's like saying because you are a technophile therefore you are attaracted to all kinds of technology, this out of date phone included.   An audiophile is attracted to all kinds of music.  And you're pointing out fallacies?

Modifié par Scire The Warden, 04 février 2010 - 12:32 .

[HAGA NAGA]

Scire The Warden wrote...

Erjak, what' s wrong with that quote is she overcomes the suit BECAUSE sSHE WANTS TO HAVE A ROMANCE WITH MALESHEP, not that she overcomes the suit so she can have a romance with anybody.  If it were the second way, i would agree with you.  It's like saying an athelete trains so hard to get into the olympics for sprinting and then discriminates against  

oh wait Scire, you forgot that in the case of Femshep she was to overcome the suit BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO HAVE A PLATONIC RELATIONSHIP WITH HER FRIEND. 

that's my absolute favorite, it makes a lot of sense.

[Lord Atlia]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Scire The Warden wrote...

Hmm, because she's straight with quarians, and because humans are so much like quarians that for her it's almost the same thing.

You don't know what quarian's look like beyond backwards knees, three fingers, two  HUGE toes, luminescent eyes(she might not even have just two eyes), and breasts. 

Admit it, you saw the breasts and the legs and said "OH must be human looking under that." Also, nothing says she's straight with quarians. Commander shepard is the only person she's ever shown attraction to.

Didn't a book or something state that quarians and humans were a case of convergent evolution?

[Scire The Warden]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Scire The Warden wrote...

Erjak, what' s wrong with that quote is she overcomes the suit BECAUSE sSHE WANTS TO HAVE A ROMANCE WITH MALESHEP, not that she overcomes the suit so she can have a romance with anybody.  If it were the second way, i would agree with you.  It's like saying an athelete trains so hard to get into the olympics for sprinting and then discriminates against  

oh wait Scire, you forgot that in the case of Femshep she was to overcome the suit BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO HAVE A PLATONIC RELATIONSHIP WITH HER FRIEND. 

that's my absolute favorite, it makes a lot of sense.

That's my point, she didn't want to overcome her suit for Femshep because she didn't want to have a relationship.

[HAGA NAGA]

Scire The Warden wrote...

Haga, maybe if you were a bit more open minded and didn't just dismiss all the opposition arguments out of hand it would be a bit more productive.

it's nigh on hysterical to hear you talk down to me about being open-minded in this thread.  seriously, check yourself.

[Scire The Warden]

I'm at least trying to point out what is wrong with arguments and not using ad hominem.

[ERJAK2]

Scire The Warden wrote...

Erjak, what' s wrong with that quote is she overcomes the suit BECAUSE sSHE WANTS TO HAVE A ROMANCE WITH MALESHEP, not that she overcomes the suit so she can have a romance with anybody.  If it were the second way, i would agree with you.  It's like saying an athelete trains so hard to get into the olympics for sprinting and then discriminates against  

Again, your argument is nonsensical. You don't overcome those ridiculous constraints because you're attracted to males, you overcome them because you LOVE THE PERSON. If it was purely attraction she would just be with a Quarian, much easier and then she could have kids. She's in love with Shepard, shouldn't(doesn't) matter what gender he/she is. 

Also, your analogy was incomplete, but I don't imagine it made sense anyway.

[HAGA NAGA]

Scire The Warden wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Scire The Warden wrote...

Erjak, what' s wrong with that quote is she overcomes the suit BECAUSE sSHE WANTS TO HAVE A ROMANCE WITH MALESHEP, not that she overcomes the suit so she can have a romance with anybody.  If it were the second way, i would agree with you.  It's like saying an athelete trains so hard to get into the olympics for sprinting and then discriminates against  

oh wait Scire, you forgot that in the case of Femshep she was to overcome the suit BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO HAVE A PLATONIC RELATIONSHIP WITH HER FRIEND. 

that's my absolute favorite, it makes a lot of sense.

That's my point, she didn't want to overcome her suit for Femshep because she didn't want to have a relationship.

oh yeah. She just told Femshep that she never met anyone she wanted to join suits with until she met her, and then dropped the issue entirely because the motivation wasn't really there.  I'm sure that's how Bioware intended us to digest that part of the story. brilliant deduction. it makes a lot of sense as well.

[MagicianCamille]

You say you "care" about Tali but you essentially want to change who she is. If you cared about Tali you'd accept that she is straight, and not want her to be written as a bisexual. There are 3 exclusive FemShep romances, and 3 exclusive MaleShep romances. Bisexual Tali would have to mean a bisexual Thane, or Garrus, or Jacob. How many bisexual people are we gonna have on this ship?



Forget about the Reapers, let's just break down into random pairs and start going at it, we'll switch partners every time EDI stops the music.

[DaeJi]

Scire The Warden wrote...
That's my point, she didn't want to overcome her suit for Femshep because she didn't want to have a relationship.

Our point is that she could want to overcome her suit for a female Shepard if BioWare opens up the content. It all comes down to what decision BioWare made, one that they could reverse.

[Kolaris8472]

Scire The Warden wrote...

No, there's a difference. She's straight, and because human males are so similar looking to quarian males for her it's the same thing. That's like saying because you are a technophile therefore you are attaracted to all kinds of technology, this out of date phone included.   An audiophile is attracted to all kinds of music.  And you're pointing out fallacies?

So first you go inside a character's head to explain their non-declared reasoning, then you give out faulty analogies, in this case you mistake the levels of the argument. There's species attraction, the Xenophile part (your technophile part), of which neither Shephard or Tali have expressed any interest outside of Humans/Quarians. Then there's the gender attraction, whether that even matters to either of them (obviously not for Shephard since you're supposed to be in control). You made them out to be on the same level. Tali can be a Xenophile and "straight", then the question would be whether than applies to her species of interest. 

[Scire The Warden]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Scire The Warden wrote...

Erjak, what' s wrong with that quote is she overcomes the suit BECAUSE sSHE WANTS TO HAVE A ROMANCE WITH MALESHEP, not that she overcomes the suit so she can have a romance with anybody.  If it were the second way, i would agree with you.  It's like saying an athelete trains so hard to get into the olympics for sprinting and then discriminates against  

Again, your argument is nonsensical. You don't overcome those ridiculous constraints because you're attracted to males, you overcome them because you LOVE THE PERSON. If it was purely attraction she would just be with a Quarian, much easier and then she could have kids. She's in love with Shepard, shouldn't(doesn't) matter what gender he/she is. 

Also, your analogy was incomplete, but I don't imagine it made sense anyway.

So if a straight person (female, say) is attracted to a male for the personality, therefore she is attracted sexually to a female with the same personality?  She loves the person, who is MaleShep.  But being male also has something to do with it.

[ERJAK2]

Scire The Warden wrote...

Haga, maybe if you were a bit more open minded and didn't just dismiss all the opposition arguments out of hand it would be a bit more productive.

Haga doesn't have to be open minded, all he's saying is that he wants to see a femshep/tali romance. No need for openminded this there. That's like not liking chocolate icecream because someone lectured you about how unhealthy it is. Sure you may not get to eat it, but you still like it.

You, being the lecturing party, are the one who needs/could be moreopen minded.

[ERJAK2]

Scire The Warden wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Scire The Warden wrote...

Erjak, what' s wrong with that quote is she overcomes the suit BECAUSE sSHE WANTS TO HAVE A ROMANCE WITH MALESHEP, not that she overcomes the suit so she can have a romance with anybody.  If it were the second way, i would agree with you.  It's like saying an athelete trains so hard to get into the olympics for sprinting and then discriminates against  

Again, your argument is nonsensical. You don't overcome those ridiculous constraints because you're attracted to males, you overcome them because you LOVE THE PERSON. If it was purely attraction she would just be with a Quarian, much easier and then she could have kids. She's in love with Shepard, shouldn't(doesn't) matter what gender he/she is. 

Also, your analogy was incomplete, but I don't imagine it made sense anyway.

So if a straight person (female, say) is attracted to a male for the personality, therefore she is attracted sexually to a female with the same personality?  

Yes.

Modifié par ERJAK2, 04 février 2010 - 12:38 .

[Kolaris8472]

MagicianCamille wrote...

You say you "care" about Tali but you essentially want to change who she is. If you cared about Tali you'd accept that she is straight, and not want her to be written as a bisexual. There are 3 exclusive FemShep romances, and 3 exclusive MaleShep romances. Bisexual Tali would have to mean a bisexual Thane, or Garrus, or Jacob. How many bisexual people are we gonna have on this ship?

Forget about the Reapers, let's just break down into random pairs and start going at it, we'll switch partners every time EDI stops the music.

I'm sorry, but lol. First you say we shouldn't be trying to change a character when she's never stated her personal preferences, then you say she can't be bisexual (why this word) because of unrelated game balancing concerns? How would Tali feel about not being able to care for someone because some Shephard that DOES NOT EXIST in that playthrough might not have enough romantic options? 

Modifié par Kolaris8472, 04 février 2010 - 12:40 .