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[Radahldo]

Scire The Warden wrote...

The same way that making Garrus/Jacob/Thane options for MaleShep affect their character development and personality. They're written to be a certain way, therefore they should be a certain way IMO. I'm not against F/F relationships, as I believe I've stated before.

But Thane was concieved to appeal to females; the drell, thanes race-- the entire race was concieved to appeal to females.  Thanes erudition, patience, romanticism, voice and etc.

Tali's race was not fanservice; tali was singularly attractive, until this game, where we saw more quarians.

Thane "being written a certain way"  is far more extreme, inalienable and established. Tali barely had  a backstory in ME1.

Just not the same thing.

[Naltair]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I have a question if it turns out that Tali is just heterosexual, or should I say only wants to date male Shepard, will that diminish the character in your eyes?

Diminish how? I wouldn't think any less of her. I'd perhaps think less of my Femshep and her playthrough though, since she gets less of an extremely interesting character. 

Well perhaps but this isn't always BioWare's fault, I still think that the idea of being able to romance anyone despite of gender is bad and would diminish the idea of choice.  It's not remotely realistic and just sloppy pandering/writing.   

I understand many fans want to have the same sex relationship and I wish they would have done it if that was their original plan, I just don;t think it was or that plan was scrapped very early on the process.  Consider that voice work was done probably a year ago.  I just don;t see it as a huge conspiracy and more of we just didn't want to go that route.

It would have been easier to just do it before they launched then afterwards, afterwards just seems trite and would probably not get the kind of treatment it deserves especially if it ends up being exactly what she says or any other character says to a Male Shepard or vice versa.

[Tatooine92]

Tali's never, ever been more to me than a best friend or sister. Having her aboard feels a little like Mission Vao, from KotOR--best friend/little sister. The end; that's all.

[Scire The Warden]

DaeJi wrote...

Scire The Warden wrote...

The same way that making Garrus/Jacob/Thane options for MaleShep affect their character development and personality. They're written to be a certain way, therefore they should be a certain way IMO. I'm not against F/F relationships, as I believe I've stated before.

So who someone likes determines everything else about them? Jacob cannot still be Jacob and like guys? Tali has to only like men or she's no longer Tali?

Yes, because likes and dislikes, desires and hates shape the person you are.  If I hated reading for instance, (which i don't) i wouldn't be me.  This is the last post i'll make here.

[Kolaris8472]

Scire The Warden wrote...

The same way that making Garrus/Jacob/Thane options for MaleShep affect their character development and personality. They're written to be a certain way, therefore they should be a certain way IMO. I'm not against F/F relationships, as I believe I've stated before.

Keeping the dialogue 100% the same, as it is everywhere else, those relationships wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. That's why I'm curious/disappointed specifically over Tali, where I feel it does make sense either way. Or specifically, doesn't make sense either way, but eh...

[DaeJi]

Scire The Warden wrote...


Yes, because likes and dislikes, desires and hates shape the person you are.  If I hated reading for instance, (which i don't) i wouldn't be me.  This is the last post i'll make here.

Who someone likes does not dictate everything else about them. Just that one aspect.

[AngryTigerP]

ERJAK2 wrote...

I'm so tired of this, all this arguing in the vain hope that someone at Bioware will go "oops better sneak a gender check removal into the next DLC" So tired of dealing with the idiots who are offended simply because I want the OPTION, so tired of playing Mass Effect with a totally depersonalized Shepard.

Without a romance, Shepard is just a gun on legs, she has no wants, no desires, no nothing that's not related to the mission. Even the little tidbits with Liara and Kelly have little to do with Shepard's wants. She's working for Liara for the same reason she works for any quest giver, and the scene with Kelly is more like her distracting Kelly from the horrible experience she had to keep her efficient.

Funny... every female squadmate has to be bisexual or lesbian, in case your homosexual Shepard decides that she wants them?

K.

[Naltair]

I think it makes more sense then does not make sense.

[Naltair]

DaeJi wrote...

Scire The Warden wrote...


Yes, because likes and dislikes, desires and hates shape the person you are.  If I hated reading for instance, (which i don't) i wouldn't be me.  This is the last post i'll make here.

It may not be large to you, but that is a pretty large aspect of someone's character some would say defining in some cases.  It shouldn't be but for our western society, it really is.

Who someone likes does not dictate everything else about them. Just that one aspect.

Modifié par Naltair, 04 février 2010 - 01:28 .

[HAGA NAGA]

Naltair wrote...

I know this will surprise but I am sure there are many people that think Tali is disgusting or annoying and probably get her killed on purpose during the Suicide Mission.

They may take offense at making her the only female/female option.

i bet they would actually celebrate it at this point. It appears that the bulk of Tali Fans are maleshep players who are either indifferent on this issues or vehemently opposed to Femshep/Tali romance. they would jump at the chance to ****** off as many Tali fans as they could. i faced their opposition on the old forums and it seems i face the opposition of my former brothers now. its sad. 

[Chained_Creator]

www.youtube.com/watch

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[Naltair]

Thane's race was conceived to be the female alien romance, but they do have females and although we never see them we can intimate that they probably have similar features to our own since male drell look so similar to male humans.

[Radahldo]

Naltair wrote...

Well perhaps but this isn't always BioWare's fault, I still think that the idea of being able to romance anyone despite of gender is bad and would diminish the idea of choice.  It's not remotely realistic and just sloppy pandering/writing.   

I understand many fans want to have the same sex relationship and I wish they would have done it if that was their original plan, I just don;t think it was or that plan was scrapped very early on the process.  Consider that voice work was done probably a year ago.  I just don;t see it as a huge conspiracy and more of we just didn't want to go that route.

It would have been easier to just do it before they launched then afterwards, afterwards just seems trite and would probably not get the kind of treatment it deserves especially if it ends up being exactly what she says or any other character says to a Male Shepard or vice versa.

The difference in Liaras dialouge for females was like Three lines. You guys are imagining a grand complexitity to this, when its simply unlocking the dialogue.  Her dialouge makes sense with  a femshep.  

[Kolaris8472]

Naltair wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I have a question if it turns out that Tali is just heterosexual, or should I say only wants to date male Shepard, will that diminish the character in your eyes?

Diminish how? I wouldn't think any less of her. I'd perhaps think less of my Femshep and her playthrough though, since she gets less of an extremely interesting character. 

Well perhaps but this isn't always BioWare's fault, I still think that the idea of being able to romance anyone despite of gender is bad and would diminish the idea of choice.  It's not remotely realistic and just sloppy pandering/writing.   

I understand many fans want to have the same sex relationship and I wish they would have done it if that was their original plan, I just don;t think it was or that plan was scrapped very early on the process.  Consider that voice work was done probably a year ago.  I just don;t see it as a huge conspiracy and more of we just didn't want to go that route.

It would have been easier to just do it before they launched then afterwards, afterwards just seems trite and would probably not get the kind of treatment it deserves especially if it ends up being exactly what she says or any other character says to a Male Shepard or vice versa.

I'm not arguing for being able to romance anyone regardless of gender, yes that would erode a lot of their characters in my view. I'm arguing specifically over Tali because she's the one where not only it would make sense either way, it actually already seemed to be heading towards a Femshep romance and then got cut off. 

I feel like something was there, something was lost, something is missing. Arbitrarily reconning characters to "make it work" (ironically how I feel about a romance with her to begin with, either gender) I'm against. 

[DaeJi]

Naltair wrote...
It may not be large to you, but that is a pretty large aspect of someone's character some would say defining in some cases.  It shouldn't be but for our western society, it really is.

Please tell what would change if Jacob liked male Shepard? Besides that he likes guys as well as girls.

[AngryTigerP]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I know this will surprise but I am sure there are many people that think Tali is disgusting or annoying and probably get her killed on purpose during the Suicide Mission.

They may take offense at making her the only female/female option.

i bet they would actually celebrate it at this point. It appears that the bulk of Tali Fans are maleshep players who are either indifferent on this issues or vehemently opposed to Femshep/Tali romance. they would jump at the chance to ****** off as many Tali fans as they could. i faced their opposition on the old forums and it seems i face the opposition of my former brothers now. its sad. 

You're damn right, I'm opposed to you suggesting that DLC be released that changes the established personality of a character -- ANY character, not just Tali -- because you don't like it that way. But you want to set yourself up as some sort of martyr, heroically standing up for the OBVIOUS romance that was OBVIOUSLY there because you projected your personality and/or desires onto a character created and brought to life by a team of writers a year ago, and fail to realize that THEY have the final say, not you.

To suggest that Tali not being a lesbian romance was some sort of mistake is insulting

Modifié par AngryTigerP, 04 février 2010 - 01:32 .

[Naltair]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I know this will surprise but I am sure there are many people that think Tali is disgusting or annoying and probably get her killed on purpose during the Suicide Mission.

They may take offense at making her the only female/female option.

i bet they would actually celebrate it at this point. It appears that the bulk of Tali Fans are maleshep players who are either indifferent on this issues or vehemently opposed to Femshep/Tali romance. they would jump at the chance to ****** off as many Tali fans as they could. i faced their opposition on the old forums and it seems i face the opposition of my former brothers now. its sad. 

I am not opposed to the idea, just the way you want to carry it out.  I just fear that you will hold a vain hope for something that will probably not materialize and yes given the situation with how Tali and Garrus romances came about that seems contradictory but they did exactly what they said they would do.  They made options for romance for characters in ME1 that were not options before.

Just because you don't like the pairing does not mean they need to change that.

If they change Tali then they have to change Garrus, it's as simple as that.

I just don't see it happening.

[Woodenducky]

As much as I love tali, I wasn't too disappointed that I couldn't romance her as the incredibly cute hug you can give her, I think it's on her loyalty mission was so good enough. haha. I was overloaded with cute at that moment.

[Scire The Warden]

DaeJi wrote...

Naltair wrote...
It may not be large to you, but that is a pretty large aspect of someone's character some would say defining in some cases.  It shouldn't be but for our western society, it really is.

Please tell what would change if Jacob liked male Shepard? Besides that he likes guys as well as girls.

Sorry, I just had to respond to this.

Let's say you have the sterotypical idea of a nerd.  Ok?

Now, step by step:

Take away the studying (what changes other then the fact he likes studying?)

Get buff (what changes other then the fact that he has muscle?)

Become a ladies man (what changes other then the fact that he's a ladies man?)

And so forth.  Not in any step can you identify where the major change happened.  Do you see my point now?

[Radahldo]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I know this will surprise but I am sure there are many people that think Tali is disgusting or annoying and probably get her killed on purpose during the Suicide Mission.

They may take offense at making her the only female/female option.

i bet they would actually celebrate it at this point. It appears that the bulk of Tali Fans are maleshep players who are either indifferent on this issues or vehemently opposed to Femshep/Tali romance. they would jump at the chance to ****** off as many Tali fans as they could. i faced their opposition on the old forums and it seems i face the opposition of my former brothers now. its sad. 

I agree. A lot of them were tolerable with their temporary minority status and the uncertainty of a talimance; now that they have it, i'm finding this whole thing cloying and intolerable.  I knew something was weird after that virgin topic.

[Kolaris8472]

Garlador wrote...

Just throwing in my two cents.
My girlfriend loves Tali. She posted a, er, "intimate" picture of her Femshep and Tali together on her deviantart account.

You seem to have forget the two cents, either the image or the name of her DA account...

[Naltair]

Radahldo wrote...
The difference in Liaras dialouge for females was like Three lines. You guys are imagining a grand complexitity to this, when its simply unlocking the dialogue.  Her dialouge makes sense with  a femshep.  

I was arguing in favor of making it a more unique experience than just saying the same lines over again... but okay sure it isn't complex.

[Radahldo]

Scire The Warden wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Naltair wrote...
It may not be large to you, but that is a pretty large aspect of someone's character some would say defining in some cases.  It shouldn't be but for our western society, it really is.

Please tell what would change if Jacob liked male Shepard? Besides that he likes guys as well as girls.

Sorry, I just had to respond to this.

Let's say you have the sterotypical idea of a nerd.  Ok?

Now, step by step:

Take away the studying (what changes other then the fact he likes studying?)

Get buff (what changes other then the fact that he has muscle?)

Become a ladies man (what changes other then the fact that he's a ladies man?)

And so forth.  Not in any step can you identify where the major change happened.  Do you see my point now?

Thats a huge misconception people have towards homsexaulity and lesibiasm.  My development as a person is hardly dependent on that aspect.

Studying, though, effects my erudition-- studying more or less would affect a  lot.

Being gay effects very little, and exist on a different tier than optional things like  studying or excercise

[Naltair]

It affects how others see you regardless of how you see yourself.



Being gay I mean.

[DaeJi]

Naltair wrote...

It affects how others see you regardless of how you see yourself.

Being gay I mean.

And that applies to the game how?