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[Saskuatch]

Naltair wrote...

I am arguing in the case of character and story integrity, you just want what you want, and damn the rest. I am trying to argue for equality, you just have your own self interest to promote and further your idea of what a specific character should be with no recourse or care for how it could impact design changes in the future.

character and story integrity in basically a choose your own story game REALLY. You could play it whatever the **** you want and it wouldn't change the story integrity as much as **** ups bioware has made like a sole survivor working for cerberus without any inquiries at all to Akuze, but a femshep tali romance would all of a sudden throw your world into chaos, wow.

[Naltair]

HAGA NAGA wrote...
they're jerks. plain and simple.

I am not trying to be a jerk, I am being quite civil, it's the point that our ideas do not align that causes your point of contention.

[Naltair]

Saskuatch wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I am arguing in the case of character and story integrity, you just want what you want, and damn the rest. I am trying to argue for equality, you just have your own self interest to promote and further your idea of what a specific character should be with no recourse or care for how it could impact design changes in the future.

character and story integrity in basically a choose your own story game REALLY. You could play it whatever the **** you want and it wouldn't change the story integrity as much as **** ups bioware has made like a sole survivor working for cerberus without any inquiries at all to Akuze, but a femshep tali romance would all of a sudden throw your world into chaos, wow.

As I have stated several times if this was in the game at launch I would not care going back to change it is dumb because then where does it end?  Do you tell male Garrus fans they can't have a romance?  Do you tell female Miranda fans they can't have a romance?  What kind of precedent do you set by this?  Nothing good, not for the story at least.

And yes there are story gaffes, even ME1 had them, but we live with it.

Modifié par Naltair, 04 février 2010 - 03:55 .

[Naltair]

I am not negating a chance in ME3, but I am saying right now, at this time, it just isn't in the cards and if it is, I would be surprised because it would not expand the ME universe in any meaningful way or really add something new that all Shepards could enjoy.

Modifié par Naltair, 04 février 2010 - 03:57 .

[Kolaris8472]

Oh, and by the way, at least SOME of the dialog we were looking for is there. There was more to the third conversation than we get to hear in-game, I'm not sure if its leading to a romance or a rejection (still listening to it), but I'll post it with the rest later.

[Naltair]

Well with all the hostility towards any type of opposition in this thread I will bow out for now. I want to reiterate that I am not against a same sex romance for Tali or any character just that it does not exist in game at the moment. It could in ME3, I have my doubts but it could. I don't think there will be a magical DLC to add this option, just not a big enough market to really sanction promoting and selling the DLC. I stand by my statements that if they wanted to do it from the start, they would have and rolled with it.

Good luck and stay the course, I hope it works but I would not hold my breath if you want to be realistic.

Modifié par Naltair, 04 février 2010 - 04:11 .

[HAGA NAGA]

Naltair wrote...

Well with all the hostility towards any type of opposition in this thread I will bow out for now. I want to reiterate that I am not against a same sex romance for Tali or any character just that it does not exist in game at the moment. It could in ME3, I have my doubts but it could. I don't think there will be a magical DLC to add this option, just not a big enough market to really sanction promoting and selling the DLC. I stand by my statements that if they wanted to do it from the start, they would have and rolled with it.

Good luck and stay the course, I hope it works but I would not hold my breath if you want to be realistic.

thank god. bow out already. Mr. "I'm not trying to hurt your cause, but really i am"

[HAGA NAGA]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Oh, and by the way, at least SOME of the dialog we were looking for is there. There was more to the third conversation than we get to hear in-game, I'm not sure if its leading to a romance or a rejection (still listening to it), but I'll post it with the rest later.

It would be insanely easy to patch this one up, or "worst case scenario" (which i hope it doesn't come to, i really really really hope it doesn't come to) continue as is into ME3 and allow it to "naturally" flow into a Femshep/Tali relationship.  And i can't stress enough how natural that would be considering the extremely natural romantic exchanges between your Femshep and Tali in ME2. the whole thing is already very touching, believable and amazing. the conclusion is the only thing missing at this point.

Rally Femsheps! Rally!

[AngryTigerP]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Naltair wrote...

As Shepard you do a ton of things you can't do in the real world, but I am glad that some things are even beyond his/her control.

The question remains, would tali as a femshep li, going to effect your game enough to not include it?

NO. it wouldn't affect anyone elses experience whatsoever. it's just that people like Naltair, and AngryTigger for whatever reason want to stamp out something that someone else wants. it's beyond sociopathic because they have no "real" interest in preventing Tali from being romanced by Femshep, i think it's just a good ole case of wanting to "ruin people's good time". actually in Angrytigger's case i think he might have some serious homophobic tendencies as evidenced in his crazed rants. i don't know for sure, but whatever the case it's silly that they would invest this much effort into something that NO! would not affect them in any way whatsoever, but that others could potential benefit from greatly.

they're jerks. plain and simple.

You don't know me. You don't know what I think.

What I DO know, however, is what I have already said: Your lesbian Commander Shepard character made advances at the character of Tali Zorah Vas'Normandy. Tali Zorah did not respond to your advances. Therefore, Tali is not attracted to you. Get over yourself.

If a gay male Maleshep player played his character as he himself was oriented, he would of course ignore any advances made by the female squadmates. This includes Tali, who we KNOW longs for Shepard (speak with Kelly, she talks about the signs of Tali basically having a crush on Shep). Is that guy supposed to start roleplaying a heterosexual character just because he's being approached by someone who wants him but doesn't share his orientation? No. He will simply ignore Tali's coming onto him.

Similarly, you can have your female Shepard try as HARD AS SHE CAN to romance Tali, but Tali never really says anything physically romantic, only platonic. Just because you want more than anything for Tali to share your views, much like that male player, she is not going to change the way she is because of your advances. That is EXACTLY how it works in real life. I think it's very clear that the character of Tali Zorah is NOT HOMOSEXUAL, and as such, she should STAY THAT WAY FOR CONSISTENCY.

I don't give a flying f*** if Bioware had a completely gay squadmate, or if they had a dozen. I am not in the least homophobic, and to be accused of such because I'm addressing your immature ****ing with factual points and reason is simply insulting. Do you see me complaining about Kelly? I would be if I were as homophobic as you claim. If Bioware designed a character with him or her being homosexual in mind, that would be a great step into the great taboo subject of homosexuality in interactive media. However, to tarnish a character's design and personality by making him/her into a genderless sex object would be a massive step backwards in that frontier.

Stop acting like a spoiled brat and address what I have to say, instead of throwing out terms like 'homophobe' in the hopes that everyone ignores the legitimacy of what I have to say and subscribes to your utter bullcrap.

Modifié par AngryTigerP, 04 février 2010 - 05:00 .

[ERJAK2]

AngryTigerP wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Naltair wrote...

As Shepard you do a ton of things you can't do in the real world, but I am glad that some things are even beyond his/her control.

The question remains, would tali as a femshep li, going to effect your game enough to not include it?

NO. it wouldn't affect anyone elses experience whatsoever. it's just that people like Naltair, and AngryTigger for whatever reason want to stamp out something that someone else wants. it's beyond sociopathic because they have no "real" interest in preventing Tali from being romanced by Femshep, i think it's just a good ole case of wanting to "ruin people's good time". actually in Angrytigger's case i think he might have some serious homophobic tendencies as evidenced in his crazed rants. i don't know for sure, but whatever the case it's silly that they would invest this much effort into something that NO! would not affect them in any way whatsoever, but that others could potential benefit from greatly.

they're jerks. plain and simple.

You don't know me. You don't know what I think.

What I DO know, however, is what I have already said: Your lesbian Commander Shepard character made advances at the character of Tali Zorah Vas'Normandy. Tali Zorah did not respond to your advances. Therefore, Tali is not attracted to you. Get over yourself.

If a gay male Maleshep player played his character as he himself was oriented, he would of course ignore any advances made by the female squadmates. This includes Tali, who we KNOW longs for Shepard (speak with Kelly, she talks about the signs of Tali basically having a crush on Shep). Is that guy supposed to start roleplaying a heterosexual character just because he's being approached by someone who wants him but doesn't share his orientation? No. He will simply ignore Tali's coming onto him.

Similarly, you can have your female Shepard try as HARD AS SHE CAN to romance Tali, but Tali never really says anything physically romantic, only platonic. Just because you want more than anything for Tali to share your views, much like that male player, she is not going to change the way she is because of your advances. That is EXACTLY how it works in real life. I think it's very clear that the character of Tali Zorah is NOT HOMOSEXUAL, and as such, she should STAY THAT WAY FOR CONSISTENCY.

I don't give a flying f*** if Bioware had a completely gay squadmate, or if they had a dozen. I am not in the least homophobic, and to be accused of such because I'm addressing your immature ****ing with factual points and reason is simply insulting. Do you see me complaining about Kelly? I would be if I were as homophobic as you claim. If Bioware designed a character with him or her being homosexual in mind, that would be a great step into the great taboo subject of homosexuality in interactive media. However, to tarnish a character's design and personality by making him/her into a genderless sex object would be a massive step backwards in that frontier.

Stop acting like a spoiled brat and address what I have to say, instead of throwing out terms like 'homophobe' in the hopes that everyone ignores the legitimacy of what I have to say and subscribes to your utter bullcrap.

Dude, this post is way too long for this topic, go relax, smoke something, I don't know, but you're WAY too angry over this. Yeah, some people want to see Tali as a femshep romance, yeah, for whatever reason you don't, but your pounding your head against a brick wall here.

You're not going to convince us that Tali being a femshep LI is a bad idea, or that we shouldn't want it, or even that it shouldn't already be in game. We're not going to convince you of our views, we can yell or insult each other all we want, it's not gonna change anything.

[AngryTigerP]

ERJAK2 wrote...

AngryTigerP wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Naltair wrote...

As Shepard you do a ton of things you can't do in the real world, but I am glad that some things are even beyond his/her control.

The question remains, would tali as a femshep li, going to effect your game enough to not include it?

NO. it wouldn't affect anyone elses experience whatsoever. it's just that people like Naltair, and AngryTigger for whatever reason want to stamp out something that someone else wants. it's beyond sociopathic because they have no "real" interest in preventing Tali from being romanced by Femshep, i think it's just a good ole case of wanting to "ruin people's good time". actually in Angrytigger's case i think he might have some serious homophobic tendencies as evidenced in his crazed rants. i don't know for sure, but whatever the case it's silly that they would invest this much effort into something that NO! would not affect them in any way whatsoever, but that others could potential benefit from greatly.

they're jerks. plain and simple.

You don't know me. You don't know what I think.

What I DO know, however, is what I have already said: Your lesbian Commander Shepard character made advances at the character of Tali Zorah Vas'Normandy. Tali Zorah did not respond to your advances. Therefore, Tali is not attracted to you. Get over yourself.

If a gay male Maleshep player played his character as he himself was oriented, he would of course ignore any advances made by the female squadmates. This includes Tali, who we KNOW longs for Shepard (speak with Kelly, she talks about the signs of Tali basically having a crush on Shep). Is that guy supposed to start roleplaying a heterosexual character just because he's being approached by someone who wants him but doesn't share his orientation? No. He will simply ignore Tali's coming onto him.

Similarly, you can have your female Shepard try as HARD AS SHE CAN to romance Tali, but Tali never really says anything physically romantic, only platonic. Just because you want more than anything for Tali to share your views, much like that male player, she is not going to change the way she is because of your advances. That is EXACTLY how it works in real life. I think it's very clear that the character of Tali Zorah is NOT HOMOSEXUAL, and as such, she should STAY THAT WAY FOR CONSISTENCY.

I don't give a flying f*** if Bioware had a completely gay squadmate, or if they had a dozen. I am not in the least homophobic, and to be accused of such because I'm addressing your immature ****ing with factual points and reason is simply insulting. Do you see me complaining about Kelly? I would be if I were as homophobic as you claim. If Bioware designed a character with him or her being homosexual in mind, that would be a great step into the great taboo subject of homosexuality in interactive media. However, to tarnish a character's design and personality by making him/her into a genderless sex object would be a massive step backwards in that frontier.

Stop acting like a spoiled brat and address what I have to say, instead of throwing out terms like 'homophobe' in the hopes that everyone ignores the legitimacy of what I have to say and subscribes to your utter bullcrap.

Dude, this post is way too long for this topic, go relax, smoke something, I don't know, but you're WAY too angry over this. Yeah, some people want to see Tali as a femshep romance, yeah, for whatever reason you don't, but your pounding your head against a brick wall here.

You're not going to convince us that Tali being a femshep LI is a bad idea, or that we shouldn't want it, or even that it shouldn't already be in game. We're not going to convince you of our views, we can yell or insult each other all we want, it's not gonna change anything.

Don't make yourself out to be on an equal footing with me in terms of legitimacy and then try to dismiss me out of hand. I have made it quite clear exactly why your reasoning is flawed (that, somehow, because you are lesbian and/or role-play a lesbian Shepard, Tali should suddenly develop homosexual tendencies where they were never present). It is very clear that everything up until the maleshep-specific conversations start that the relationship is platonic. There is no expression of physical desire from Tali. All she does is say how much she trusts Shepard as a close personal friend. It is only when the romance conversations start -- which ONLY occur in male Shepard playthroughs -- that she'll start talking about how she wants to feel his skin on hers, see what she looks likes under that damned helmet, etc. Say what you will, but you are making fools of yourselves and of the homosexual community (that is, for trying to act like you are representing the whole) through the act of relentlessly trying to interpret anything before that as being indicative of a physical romance. I've seen it hinted by the OP and her supporters that Tali 'shutting you down' by saying something to the effect of "I don't like you that way, Shepard" would be sufficient for them, but judging from your adherence to this silly notion of "I FELT a VIBE from Tali, the way she said this or that" -- you are lying through your teeth.

As was said earlier, if Kelly Chambers is so capable of detecting romantic rumblings among the crew... why does she mention Tali seeming attracted to Shepard ONLY when you are playing as a MALE character? Why wouldn't she say anything if you were a female character? QUITE clear -- Tali's character is not homosexual or bisexual.

That's really where the discussion should end.

Modifié par AngryTigerP, 04 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[KalosCast]

Once NAGA HAGA put on her tinfoil hat and started screaming about the over-arching conspiracy to personally ruin THEIR gameplay experience for our own sadistic amusement people kept coming to this thread? What the ****?

[KateKane]

AngryTigerP wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

AngryTigerP wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Naltair wrote...

As Shepard you do a ton of things you can't do in the real world, but I am glad that some things are even beyond his/her control.

The question remains, would tali as a femshep li, going to effect your game enough to not include it?

NO. it wouldn't affect anyone elses experience whatsoever. it's just that people like Naltair, and AngryTigger for whatever reason want to stamp out something that someone else wants. it's beyond sociopathic because they have no "real" interest in preventing Tali from being romanced by Femshep, i think it's just a good ole case of wanting to "ruin people's good time". actually in Angrytigger's case i think he might have some serious homophobic tendencies as evidenced in his crazed rants. i don't know for sure, but whatever the case it's silly that they would invest this much effort into something that NO! would not affect them in any way whatsoever, but that others could potential benefit from greatly.

they're jerks. plain and simple.

You don't know me. You don't know what I think.

What I DO know, however, is what I have already said: Your lesbian Commander Shepard character made advances at the character of Tali Zorah Vas'Normandy. Tali Zorah did not respond to your advances. Therefore, Tali is not attracted to you. Get over yourself.

If a gay male Maleshep player played his character as he himself was oriented, he would of course ignore any advances made by the female squadmates. This includes Tali, who we KNOW longs for Shepard (speak with Kelly, she talks about the signs of Tali basically having a crush on Shep). Is that guy supposed to start roleplaying a heterosexual character just because he's being approached by someone who wants him but doesn't share his orientation? No. He will simply ignore Tali's coming onto him.

Similarly, you can have your female Shepard try as HARD AS SHE CAN to romance Tali, but Tali never really says anything physically romantic, only platonic. Just because you want more than anything for Tali to share your views, much like that male player, she is not going to change the way she is because of your advances. That is EXACTLY how it works in real life. I think it's very clear that the character of Tali Zorah is NOT HOMOSEXUAL, and as such, she should STAY THAT WAY FOR CONSISTENCY.

I don't give a flying f*** if Bioware had a completely gay squadmate, or if they had a dozen. I am not in the least homophobic, and to be accused of such because I'm addressing your immature ****ing with factual points and reason is simply insulting. Do you see me complaining about Kelly? I would be if I were as homophobic as you claim. If Bioware designed a character with him or her being homosexual in mind, that would be a great step into the great taboo subject of homosexuality in interactive media. However, to tarnish a character's design and personality by making him/her into a genderless sex object would be a massive step backwards in that frontier.

Stop acting like a spoiled brat and address what I have to say, instead of throwing out terms like 'homophobe' in the hopes that everyone ignores the legitimacy of what I have to say and subscribes to your utter bullcrap.

Dude, this post is way too long for this topic, go relax, smoke something, I don't know, but you're WAY too angry over this. Yeah, some people want to see Tali as a femshep romance, yeah, for whatever reason you don't, but your pounding your head against a brick wall here.

You're not going to convince us that Tali being a femshep LI is a bad idea, or that we shouldn't want it, or even that it shouldn't already be in game. We're not going to convince you of our views, we can yell or insult each other all we want, it's not gonna change anything.

Don't make yourself out to be on an equal footing with me in terms of legitimacy and then try to dismiss me out of hand. I have made it quite clear exactly why your reasoning is flawed (that, somehow, because you are lesbian and/or role-play a lesbian Shepard, Tali should suddenly develop homosexual tendencies where they were never present). It is very clear that everything up until the maleshep-specific conversations start that the relationship is platonic. There is no expression of physical desire from Tali. All she does is say how much she trusts Shepard as a close personal friend. It is only when the romance conversations start -- which ONLY occur in male Shepard playthroughs -- that she'll start talking about how she wants to feel his skin on hers, see what she looks likes under that damned helmet, etc. Say what you will, but you are making fools of yourselves and of the homosexual community (that is, for trying to act like you are representing the whole) through the act of relentlessly trying to interpret anything before that as being indicative of a physical romance. I've seen it hinted by the OP and her supporters that Tali 'shutting you down' by saying something to the effect of "I don't like you that way, Shepard" would be sufficient for them, but judging from your adherence to this silly notion of "I FELT a VIBE from Tali, the way she said this or that" -- you are lying through your teeth.

As was said earlier, if Kelly Chambers is so capable of detecting romantic rumblings among the crew... why does she mention Tali seeming attracted to Shepard ONLY when you are playing as a MALE character? Why wouldn't she say anything if you were a female character? QUITE clear -- Tali's character is not homosexual or bisexual.

That's really where the discussion should end.

It's just a game dude

[ERJAK2]

AngryTigerP wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

AngryTigerP wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Naltair wrote...

As Shepard you do a ton of things you can't do in the real world, but I am glad that some things are even beyond his/her control.

The question remains, would tali as a femshep li, going to effect your game enough to not include it?

NO. it wouldn't affect anyone elses experience whatsoever. it's just that people like Naltair, and AngryTigger for whatever reason want to stamp out something that someone else wants. it's beyond sociopathic because they have no "real" interest in preventing Tali from being romanced by Femshep, i think it's just a good ole case of wanting to "ruin people's good time". actually in Angrytigger's case i think he might have some serious homophobic tendencies as evidenced in his crazed rants. i don't know for sure, but whatever the case it's silly that they would invest this much effort into something that NO! would not affect them in any way whatsoever, but that others could potential benefit from greatly.

they're jerks. plain and simple.

You don't know me. You don't know what I think.

What I DO know, however, is what I have already said: Your lesbian Commander Shepard character made advances at the character of Tali Zorah Vas'Normandy. Tali Zorah did not respond to your advances. Therefore, Tali is not attracted to you. Get over yourself.

If a gay male Maleshep player played his character as he himself was oriented, he would of course ignore any advances made by the female squadmates. This includes Tali, who we KNOW longs for Shepard (speak with Kelly, she talks about the signs of Tali basically having a crush on Shep). Is that guy supposed to start roleplaying a heterosexual character just because he's being approached by someone who wants him but doesn't share his orientation? No. He will simply ignore Tali's coming onto him.

Similarly, you can have your female Shepard try as HARD AS SHE CAN to romance Tali, but Tali never really says anything physically romantic, only platonic. Just because you want more than anything for Tali to share your views, much like that male player, she is not going to change the way she is because of your advances. That is EXACTLY how it works in real life. I think it's very clear that the character of Tali Zorah is NOT HOMOSEXUAL, and as such, she should STAY THAT WAY FOR CONSISTENCY.

I don't give a flying f*** if Bioware had a completely gay squadmate, or if they had a dozen. I am not in the least homophobic, and to be accused of such because I'm addressing your immature ****ing with factual points and reason is simply insulting. Do you see me complaining about Kelly? I would be if I were as homophobic as you claim. If Bioware designed a character with him or her being homosexual in mind, that would be a great step into the great taboo subject of homosexuality in interactive media. However, to tarnish a character's design and personality by making him/her into a genderless sex object would be a massive step backwards in that frontier.

Stop acting like a spoiled brat and address what I have to say, instead of throwing out terms like 'homophobe' in the hopes that everyone ignores the legitimacy of what I have to say and subscribes to your utter bullcrap.

Dude, this post is way too long for this topic, go relax, smoke something, I don't know, but you're WAY too angry over this. Yeah, some people want to see Tali as a femshep romance, yeah, for whatever reason you don't, but your pounding your head against a brick wall here.

You're not going to convince us that Tali being a femshep LI is a bad idea, or that we shouldn't want it, or even that it shouldn't already be in game. We're not going to convince you of our views, we can yell or insult each other all we want, it's not gonna change anything.

Don't make yourself out to be on an equal footing with me in terms of legitimacy and then try to dismiss me out of hand. I have made it quite clear exactly why your reasoning is flawed (that, somehow, because you are lesbian and/or role-play a lesbian Shepard, Tali should suddenly develop homosexual tendencies where they were never present). It is very clear that everything up until the maleshep-specific conversations start that the relationship is platonic. There is no expression of physical desire from Tali. All she does is say how much she trusts Shepard as a close personal friend. It is only when the romance conversations start -- which ONLY occur in male Shepard playthroughs -- that she'll start talking about how she wants to feel his skin on hers, see what she looks likes under that damned helmet, etc. Say what you will, but you are making fools of yourselves and of the homosexual community (that is, for trying to act like you are representing the whole) through the act of relentlessly trying to interpret anything before that as being indicative of a physical romance. I've seen it hinted by the OP and her supporters that Tali 'shutting you down' by saying something to the effect of "I don't like you that way, Shepard" would be sufficient for them, but judging from your adherence to this silly notion of "I FELT a VIBE from Tali, the way she said this or that" -- you are lying through your teeth.

As was said earlier, if Kelly Chambers is so capable of detecting romantic rumblings among the crew... why does she mention Tali seeming attracted to Shepard ONLY when you are playing as a MALE character? Why wouldn't she say anything if you were a female character? QUITE clear -- Tali's character is not homosexual or bisexual.

That's really where the discussion should end.

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, another post too long for the thread. Relax, we get it you hate gay people and are carefully masking it under protestations against faulty character development, yatta yatta yatta, geez you're intense.

[AngryTigerP]

KateKane wrote...

It's just a game dude

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

[AngryTigerP]

ERJAK2 wrote...

I'm going to ignore the logical points you made and instead try to destroy your credibility with accusations of prejudice

Fixed.

Good game, everybody, good game.

[AngryTigerP]

I find it hilarious, Erjak, that you want to talk about neither side doing a good job of convincing the other so that we should agree to disagree... when I quite clearly address everything you have to say and instead of responding to me at all, you try to make me look bad and consider that valid debate.

I'm sorry, this isn't 4th grade, and my post is no less valid even if I were totally homophobic.

Modifié par AngryTigerP, 04 février 2010 - 05:24 .

[HAGA NAGA]

ERJAK2 wrote...

AngryTigerP wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Naltair wrote...

As Shepard you do a ton of things you can't do in the real world, but I am glad that some things are even beyond his/her control.

The question remains, would tali as a femshep li, going to effect your game enough to not include it?

NO. it wouldn't affect anyone elses experience whatsoever. it's just that people like Naltair, and AngryTigger for whatever reason want to stamp out something that someone else wants. it's beyond sociopathic because they have no "real" interest in preventing Tali from being romanced by Femshep, i think it's just a good ole case of wanting to "ruin people's good time". actually in Angrytigger's case i think he might have some serious homophobic tendencies as evidenced in his crazed rants. i don't know for sure, but whatever the case it's silly that they would invest this much effort into something that NO! would not affect them in any way whatsoever, but that others could potential benefit from greatly.

they're jerks. plain and simple.

You don't know me. You don't know what I think.

What I DO know, however, is what I have already said: Your lesbian Commander Shepard character made advances at the character of Tali Zorah Vas'Normandy. Tali Zorah did not respond to your advances. Therefore, Tali is not attracted to you. Get over yourself.

If a gay male Maleshep player played his character as he himself was oriented, he would of course ignore any advances made by the female squadmates. This includes Tali, who we KNOW longs for Shepard (speak with Kelly, she talks about the signs of Tali basically having a crush on Shep). Is that guy supposed to start roleplaying a heterosexual character just because he's being approached by someone who wants him but doesn't share his orientation? No. He will simply ignore Tali's coming onto him.

Similarly, you can have your female Shepard try as HARD AS SHE CAN to romance Tali, but Tali never really says anything physically romantic, only platonic. Just because you want more than anything for Tali to share your views, much like that male player, she is not going to change the way she is because of your advances. That is EXACTLY how it works in real life. I think it's very clear that the character of Tali Zorah is NOT HOMOSEXUAL, and as such, she should STAY THAT WAY FOR CONSISTENCY.

I don't give a flying f*** if Bioware had a completely gay squadmate, or if they had a dozen. I am not in the least homophobic, and to be accused of such because I'm addressing your immature ****ing with factual points and reason is simply insulting. Do you see me complaining about Kelly? I would be if I were as homophobic as you claim. If Bioware designed a character with him or her being homosexual in mind, that would be a great step into the great taboo subject of homosexuality in interactive media. However, to tarnish a character's design and personality by making him/her into a genderless sex object would be a massive step backwards in that frontier.

Stop acting like a spoiled brat and address what I have to say, instead of throwing out terms like 'homophobe' in the hopes that everyone ignores the legitimacy of what I have to say and subscribes to your utter bullcrap.

Dude, this post is way too long for this topic, go relax, smoke something, I don't know, but you're WAY too angry over this. Yeah, some people want to see Tali as a femshep romance, yeah, for whatever reason you don't, but your pounding your head against a brick wall here.

You're not going to convince us that Tali being a femshep LI is a bad idea, or that we shouldn't want it, or even that it shouldn't already be in game. We're not going to convince you of our views, we can yell or insult each other all we want, it's not gonna change anything.

I actually agree. and i take the mutual criticism you handed to both of us with respect. Even though it's my thread (and i am serious about it's content) i never got all YELL 12 PARAGRAPHS OF KROGAN RAGE at somebody about it. this AngryTigger guy is just a trip. i want to Femshep romance Tali and he just can't stand it. never seen anything like it. WOW.........all i got is WOW.

[ERJAK2]

AngryTigerP wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

I'm going to ignore the logical points you made and instead try to destroy your credibility with accusations of prejudice

Fixed.

Good game, everybody, good game.

Whether your points have logic or not is utterly inconsequential, this thread got your attention because you have a fundamental issue with Tali being a female romance character. That's fine. However, your vitriol over  our desire to see her as a female LI CANNOT rationally be explained by a dislike of character changes. Either you're prejudiced or you're a little crazy.

[KalosCast]

KalosCast wrote...

Once NAGA HAGA put on her tinfoil hat and started screaming about the over-arching conspiracy to personally ruin THEIR gameplay experience for our own sadistic amusement people kept coming to this thread? What the ****?

[KalosCast]

KalosCast wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

Once NAGA HAGA put on her tinfoil hat and started screaming about the over-arching conspiracy to personally ruin THEIR gameplay experience for our own sadistic amusement people kept coming to this thread? What the ****?

[AngryTigerP]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

I like the fact that you agreed with me, Erjak, and I also will refuse to read anything said by the previous poster, instead joining you in insulting him childlessly in what I consider fair argumentation.

It's so much more succinct this way, don't you think?

[KalosCast]

KalosCast wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

Once NAGA HAGA put on her tinfoil hat and started screaming about the over-arching conspiracy to personally ruin THEIR gameplay experience for our own sadistic amusement people kept coming to this thread? What the ****?

[KateKane]

AngryTigerP wrote...

KateKane wrote...

It's just a game dude

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

I'm just sayin' is all. Getting so mad is bad for your health you know.

[Naltair]

This thread will never really get better will it?