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[The Governator]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

First off, i cannot believe that i am the only Femshep that was holding out for Tali.  It was incredible that our efforts in the forums preceding the release of ME2 led to Tali being a romanceable squadmate, but "only" with Maleshep? is that acceptable? I don't play as Maleshep, I was part of the Tali movement, how have i (we) been forgotten? why have my sisters (and brothers, i thought) abandoned me?

To make matters worse as I'm sure many of you know this is how ME2 plays out for a Femshep wishing to romance Tali

No, you are not the only one.  I would like it to be an option too.  Since I romanced Kaidan first, I will be loyal.  I would replay a whole game in ME1 and skip the romance there to romance Tali in the second game with my female Shepard, if I had the option.

I plan on making a brand new male Shepard from ME1 to romance Tali in ME2, and I have already played ME1 9 complete times.  That is how much I like Tali. 

Modifié par The Governator, 03 février 2010 - 04:56 .

[DaeJi]

I may replay Mass Effect with a male character (sigh) for that same reason.

[The Governator]

Maybe Bioware could introduce a download where romancing Tali is an option?  It is not like it would be that difficult.  Both genders are named Shepard.  Since each cutscene seems to be rendered as it goes (customizable Shepards) I do not see how this could be that difficult.

[Katsaurs]

It would be nice if they did make an optional downloadable patch for such options, but as things are now I can't see that happening

[Esker02]

aaniadyen wrote...

...Isn't Tali straight?

This. Seriously - the whole "why isn't every single character bisexual" theme was old in ME1's time, but I suppose it was inevitable we'd have to deal with it again. Why can't some characters just be heterosexual anymore without it ruffling somebody's feathers? I don't want to say "Get over it" but IRL if you were trying to hit on somebody who wasn't interested in your gender, I think that's just about the best advice you could possibly receive.

[DaeJi]

The Governator wrote...

Maybe Bioware could introduce a download where romancing Tali is an option?  It is not like it would be that difficult.  Both genders are named Shepard.  Since each cutscene seems to be rendered as it goes (customizable Shepards) I do not see how this could be that difficult.

A lot of fans have been asking for this since before the game shipped. The content is actually already in the game, all BioWare has to do is unlock it, maybe (MAYBE) record a few new lines of dialog and reedit a scene or two, but that's it. Half a weeks of worth that they could charge us $6 for. We would pay for it too.

[rage-monk]

AuraofMana wrote...

Search button helps when there are already millions of threads on this topic. Dude, I can't believe people actually waste time trying to do this. Video game characters, people, video game characters...
No, it's not about you being a dork/nerd/geek, this is a video game forum and that is expected, but to go so far for the option of romancing a video game character...
Sigh...

Search is finally enabled? I knew the the OP has addressed this topic twice, but I didn't care.

It seems the team on Dragon Age was slightly more daring in terms of same-sex relationships. Where are Zevran and Leliana when you need them?

[lordfrikk]

My femshep wants all the ladies in the house!

In ME3: Dr. Chakwas, pl0x!

Modifié par lordfrikk, 03 février 2010 - 06:28 .

[HAGA NAGA]

The Governator wrote...

HAGA NAGA wrote...

First off, i cannot believe that i am the only Femshep that was holding out for Tali.  It was incredible that our efforts in the forums preceding the release of ME2 led to Tali being a romanceable squadmate, but "only" with Maleshep? is that acceptable? I don't play as Maleshep, I was part of the Tali movement, how have i (we) been forgotten? why have my sisters (and brothers, i thought) abandoned me?

To make matters worse as I'm sure many of you know this is how ME2 plays out for a Femshep wishing to romance Tali

No, you are not the only one.  I would like it to be an option too.  Since I romanced Kaidan first, I will be loyal.  I would replay a whole game in ME1 and skip the romance there to romance Tali in the second game with my female Shepard, if I had the option.

I plan on making a brand new male Shepard from ME1 to romance Tali in ME2, and I have already played ME1 9 complete times.  That is how much I like Tali. 

I already did that. it was nice, but in a way it just made it worse that i couldn't romance her with my Canon Shep

[Naltair]

Esker02 wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

...Isn't Tali straight?

This. Seriously - the whole "why isn't every single character bisexual" theme was old in ME1's time, but I suppose it was inevitable we'd have to deal with it again. Why can't some characters just be heterosexual anymore without it ruffling somebody's feathers? I don't want to say "Get over it" but IRL if you were trying to hit on somebody who wasn't interested in your gender, I think that's just about the best advice you could possibly receive.

There will not be some magical DLC that will change her orientation, it is a apart of her character part of her personality.  I am sorry that you could not have what you want but flat out changing character motivations and traits is just dumb without reason or discussion.

Tali is what she was meant to be a male Shepard option for a romance if you so choose to follow that path, she may seem suggestive to female Shepards but I really think it's a matter of intimacy and that quarians are very social and she feels close to either Shepard.  They have been through hell together and that has defined and forged their relationship.  That does not mean she may have hidden lesbian motives it may just mean that she sees Shepard as the sister she never had, the mentor that never falters, and a friend that has been there for her through thick and thin like no one else.

But in short, I don't see a problem with same sex relationships but it always annoys me when people assume that a character they like should have it just to please them at the expense of the character integrity.  Take that as you will, but I just don't think it is in the cards.

[Adon 9]

I do have to raise a point here... people against the idea of Tali + FemShep assert that she must be straight. I ask though... what in her character that you can see has to do with her orientation? Why is it so important that she be straight, and mostly -- what harm is it in throwing a bone to players who want same sex romances? How does it hinder your enjoyment of the game, and why do you think that those other players should be denied it?

[Naltair]

Adon 9 wrote...

I do have to raise a point here... people against the idea of Tali + FemShep assert that she must be straight. I ask though... what in her character that you can see has to do with her orientation? Why is it so important that she be straight, and mostly -- what harm is it in throwing a bone to players who want same sex romances? How does it hinder your enjoyment of the game, and why do you think that those other players should be denied it?

My opinion has nothing to do with the harm to my own game, just the idea that changing a trait of a character based on the fans is a poor way to run a story.

Let me put it this way, would Han Solo still be Han Solo if he were flirting and making out with Luke Skywalker?

This has nothing to with the medium but the character.

Edit: If she was planned to be bi from the start then I am fine but to change it after the fact is perturbing, there is nothing that says she should be straight but since she does not go for Female Shepard like she does male Shepard it's pretty obvious she just isn't into females in that way.

My girlfriend has many close female friends, that does not means she wants to have sex with them, she is just very close to them.  Same thing with Tali here.

Modifié par Naltair, 03 février 2010 - 08:41 .

[Nozybidaj]

Naltair wrote...

Esker02 wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

...Isn't Tali straight?

This. Seriously - the whole "why isn't every single character bisexual" theme was old in ME1's time, but I suppose it was inevitable we'd have to deal with it again. Why can't some characters just be heterosexual anymore without it ruffling somebody's feathers? I don't want to say "Get over it" but IRL if you were trying to hit on somebody who wasn't interested in your gender, I think that's just about the best advice you could possibly receive.

There will not be some magical DLC that will change her orientation, it is a apart of her character part of her personality.  I am sorry that you could not have what you want but flat out changing character motivations and traits is just dumb without reason or discussion.

Tali is what she was meant to be a male Shepard option for a romance if you so choose to follow that path, she may seem suggestive to female Shepards but I really think it's a matter of intimacy and that quarians are very social and she feels close to either Shepard.  They have been through hell together and that has defined and forged their relationship.  That does not mean she may have hidden lesbian motives it may just mean that she sees Shepard as the sister she never had, the mentor that never falters, and a friend that has been there for her through thick and thin like no one else.

But in short, I don't see a problem with same sex relationships but it always annoys me when people assume that a character they like should have it just to please them at the expense of the character integrity.  Take that as you will, but I just don't think it is in the cards.

Wish they had applied that same sort of devtion to character integrity and motivations when desiging roles for the ME1 LI's and Shepard's interactions with TIM.

I really don't get how "character integrity" plays into any of this.  A person's personaility and character is already the more important issue than anything if we are already going cross species, why does throwing gender into the   equation suddenly make everything a big "no no".  Aside from a blatant dislike of the ideas of homosexual romances.  It really doesn't hold any water.

[JamieCOTC]

I vote for Leliana. Seriously, totally agree. Tali or Jack for femShep.

[sp333dd3m0n]

Adon 9 wrote...

I do have to raise a point here... people against the idea of Tali + FemShep assert that she must be straight. I ask though... what in her character that you can see has to do with her orientation? Why is it so important that she be straight, and mostly -- what harm is it in throwing a bone to players who want same sex romances? How does it hinder your enjoyment of the game, and why do you think that those other players should be denied it?

There isn't anything wrong with it, but why is it that if people have different opinions they have to bash someone else's who opposes theirs? The Gay Warden started a thread about keeping Tali in for the trilogy.....so what if he has a different opinion on whether or not Tali should end up bi.

I personally don't see what the harm to the overall game would be, but in my opinion it would shatter the image and personality of Tali. We see her as straight.......not Bi. If she all the sudden has a change for ME3, that would just mess up the character we have now.

What they should do is introduce another Quarian either Male or Female, and attempt to play them out as a LI. That wouldn't shatter Tali's image, and it would be throwing a bone to the part of the community that wants that.

[Naltair]

It holds plenty of water, the interactions with TIM are part of the story you don't ever have to trust TIM and in fact use his resources for the greater good in the end as is. I didn't find anything out of character in that. As for the ME1 LIs it was telegraphed via Casey Hudson that this would be troubled point of the relationship, that there would not be a wholly good reunion but if the players stick it out they would be rewarded in ME3.

As for Liara, I presume her comic will explain much of her changes. For the humans I can only assume that two years and your current "employer" make all the difference in the world. They still care about you.

But yes character integrity is important, if it was not then we would not have people that love certain characters and hate other characters. You hate and love them for who they are and not just because they are robots that bend to your every whim and desire.

Modifié par Naltair, 03 février 2010 - 08:46 .

[Nozybidaj]

sp333dd3m0n wrote...

I personally don't see what the harm to the overall game would be, but in my opinion it would shatter the image and personality of Tali. We see her as straight.......not Bi. If she all the sudden has a change for ME3, that would just mess up the character we have now.

How exactly would Tali's image be shattered?  How would it ruin the character?  I don't really care either way on Tali specifically, my FemShep went for Thane and is quite happy.  Still though this argument is thrown around like it is somehow law, but I've never seen any actually explain how it would destroy a character.

[DaeJi]

I don't get it; BioWare created a Tali and Garrus romance because the fans wanted it, but when fans want to make Tali available to female Shepards all of a sudden we're ruining her character?

[Naltair]

It will not destroy a character but it changes them, and if not done right just comes off as pandering. It turns a good character into fan service and that to me is just sad. Of course one could say making her and Garrus love interests was already fan service so I digress, but if they wanted them to be bisexual options then they would have but they did not.



I mean if we are going to argue for Tali we might as well argue for Garrus, and then that slippery slope rolls onto other characters and then it just gets ridiculous. IF you change their orientation after the fact.

[Naltair]

DaeJi wrote...

I don't get it; BioWare created a Tali and Garrus romance because the fans wanted it, but when fans want to make Tali available to female Shepards all of a sudden we're ruining her character?

It's the idea of a DLC coming out to change that, which perturbs me, it just reeks of pandering and not so much story wise direction.  If they meant for them to be bisexual then they should have just done that from the start, changing it sets a bad precedent and they might as well just change everyone to bi and be done with it.  But then that takes the idea of choice out of the window.

[jlb524]

DaeJi wrote...

I don't get it; BioWare created a Tali and Garrus romance because the fans wanted it, but when fans want to make Tali available to female Shepards all of a sudden we're ruining her character?

I know right?  This is one thing that's always perplexed me... What a double standard 

[sp333dd3m0n]

Nozybidaj wrote...

sp333dd3m0n wrote...

I personally don't see what the harm to the overall game would be, but in my opinion it would shatter the image and personality of Tali. We see her as straight.......not Bi. If she all the sudden has a change for ME3, that would just mess up the character we have now.

How exactly would Tali's image be shattered?  How would it ruin the character?  I don't really care either way on Tali specifically, my FemShep went for Thane and is quite happy.  Still though this argument is thrown around like it is somehow law, but I've never seen any actually explain how it would destroy a character.

Because the way her personality is set up, it doesn't allow for her to be bi. Think about it. She want's to be cared for and nutured, and she doesn't really extend the "sexual" side of the relationship to the femal shepard. She says she wants to share a suit, but what does that really mean? Tali's mom and one of the female admirality did that, but why? Because that was a special experience that they wanted to share with each other. It allowed them to bond.....as friends. Not as love partners. I don't really understand where people are getting the idea that she is coming on to you if you play as a femshep. I could be wrong, and if someone points that out to me i'll gladly admit i am wrong.

But for right now, Bioware has portrayed Tali as straight. The ways she interacts with you doesn't suggest otherwise. That's why if she was to become BI in the third installment it'd make her character seem randomly different. But whatever, to everyone there own. I have my male shepard, and this wouldn't affect me.

[DaeJi]

Naltair wrote...
It's the idea of a DLC coming out to change that, which perturbs me, it just reeks of pandering and not so much story wise direction.  If they meant for them to be bisexual then they should have just done that from the start, changing it sets a bad precedent and they might as well just change everyone to bi and be done with it.  But then that takes the idea of choice out of the window.

If BioWare had meant for them to be romance options they would have been right from the start too. But they weren't, and fans wanted them, so they got them. You keep going on and on about pandering while ignoring that the Tali and Garrus romance are panderings to fans already. And guess what, it didn't ruin the characters. And tell me, how does giving a player a choice throw choice out of the window? Maybe I'm missing something here, but in a game built on the choices you make more choices would be a good thing (within reason). Not only that, not giving same sex romance options limits how a player can design their Shepard, a character already fairly limited when it comes to customization.

So, to sum up, BioWare already pandered to the fans without ruining any characters.

If people are so scared of this ruining their idea of the character, then a DLC is the best way to go. Those who want it can get it, and those who don't won't have to worry about it. And everyone wins.

Modifié par DaeJi, 03 février 2010 - 09:03 .

[Naltair]

sp333dd3m0n wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

sp333dd3m0n wrote...

I personally don't see what the harm to the overall game would be, but in my opinion it would shatter the image and personality of Tali. We see her as straight.......not Bi. If she all the sudden has a change for ME3, that would just mess up the character we have now.

How exactly would Tali's image be shattered?  How would it ruin the character?  I don't really care either way on Tali specifically, my FemShep went for Thane and is quite happy.  Still though this argument is thrown around like it is somehow law, but I've never seen any actually explain how it would destroy a character.

Because the way her personality is set up, it doesn't allow for her to be bi. Think about it. She want's to be cared for and nutured, and she doesn't really extend the "sexual" side of the relationship to the femal shepard. She says she wants to share a suit, but what does that really mean? Tali's mom and one of the female admirality did that, but why? Because that was a special experience that they wanted to share with each other. It allowed them to bond.....as friends. Not as love partners. I don't really understand where people are getting the idea that she is coming on to you if you play as a femshep. I could be wrong, and if someone points that out to me i'll gladly admit i am wrong.

But for right now, Bioware has portrayed Tali as straight. The ways she interacts with you doesn't suggest otherwise. That's why if she was to become BI in the third installment it'd make her character seem randomly different. But whatever, to everyone there own. I have my male shepard, and this wouldn't affect me.

I have a question when you recruit Tali as a female Shepard, does Kelly Chambers mention anything about her wanting to be more than friends?

[sp333dd3m0n]

Naltair wrote...

sp333dd3m0n wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

sp333dd3m0n wrote...

I personally don't see what the harm to the overall game would be, but in my opinion it would shatter the image and personality of Tali. We see her as straight.......not Bi. If she all the sudden has a change for ME3, that would just mess up the character we have now.

How exactly would Tali's image be shattered?  How would it ruin the character?  I don't really care either way on Tali specifically, my FemShep went for Thane and is quite happy.  Still though this argument is thrown around like it is somehow law, but I've never seen any actually explain how it would destroy a character.

Because the way her personality is set up, it doesn't allow for her to be bi. Think about it. She want's to be cared for and nutured, and she doesn't really extend the "sexual" side of the relationship to the femal shepard. She says she wants to share a suit, but what does that really mean? Tali's mom and one of the female admirality did that, but why? Because that was a special experience that they wanted to share with each other. It allowed them to bond.....as friends. Not as love partners. I don't really understand where people are getting the idea that she is coming on to you if you play as a femshep. I could be wrong, and if someone points that out to me i'll gladly admit i am wrong.

But for right now, Bioware has portrayed Tali as straight. The ways she interacts with you doesn't suggest otherwise. That's why if she was to become BI in the third installment it'd make her character seem randomly different. But whatever, to everyone there own. I have my male shepard, and this wouldn't affect me.

I have a question when you recruit Tali as a female Shepard, does Kelly Chambers mention anything about her wanting to be more than friends?

I don't know, if she does, then i'll eat my words. Although it's entirely plausable that they had a coding error.....meh you never know. But more likely than not, if kelly mentions something like that, that would mean that they started the idea but never finished it.....? Just throwing ideas around here.