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[holidayc]

The lazarus project was really smart. It gave a legitmate excuse why shepard should start at or near ground zero with skills and morality.

But you can't import a dead shepard file into ME3 because they can't plausibly ressurect shepard twice in the trilogy.

Now plenty of people have screamed they want the same squad members back and to essentially progress from where ME2 left off.

The simple and realistic answer to these cries is; not going to happen (at least the 9 currently in the squad won't all be there for the 3rd game. There will have new party members in Mass Effect 3 (as has been stated previously) and you will start your character from ground zero or something near it. (You arent going to start the game with full Singularity, Pull etc. that kills the point of leveling up).

So how do you think the developers are going to allow the crew to change up and you to plausibly get back to ground zero.

A thought I had is that the citadel will arrest you and your party for spreading word about the reapers. Jail is a great starting point for any rpg, but it has been done before.

What theories do you guys have about how the next game will get shepard back to ground zero?

[AngryTigerP]

Well,

The lazarus project was really smart. It gave a legitmate excuse why shepard should start at or near ground zero with skills and morality.

That's the crux of it. Most people DON'T think it was smart at all, from what I gather from all the "Cyborg Zombie" jokes/seriousness you can find.

[Eladren]

I don't think you'll start from 0, mostly due to the extremely low level cap (relative to how fast you level) in this game.

[flem1]

I don't think the character will reboot (except perhaps NG+ issues). Full playthrough only gets you to level 30 now, powers only have four degrees... Room for improvement that didn't exist in ME1.

[talbainx]

It's unlikely that you'll start at lv 30 in ME3, since it would be quite unfair for players who did not import a save game.

[aaniadyen]

talbainx wrote...

It's unlikely that you'll start at lv 30 in ME3, since it would be quite unfair for players who did not import a save game.

Couldn't they just make it like BG2? Where you start at a higher level if you don't import.

[holidayc]

Well thats a good point, but I cant imagine what you would fight with biotics/guns that would make level 4 singularity (or any other biotic power) require upgrading. and no, I cant see any plausible way they would make you fight fully fledged reapers with guns and biotics.



They also need an excuse to replace most if not all of your crew.

[Cat Fancy]

I dunno. Maybe they won't bother explaining it, which I wouldn't mind. They didn't explain Tali/Garrus, and Shepard is a non-character so it really doesn't matter if goes from, say, soldier to adept,or if his/her face is different (people will always find Shep totally hot, no matter what you do to their face). The only thing that they'll need to hold you to is gender, because that determines whether or not Shepard has always been attracted to women, or women and men.

[bbfan13]

I sorry that I can't find the link at the moment, but I read an interview with one of the game developers. The discussion was about how Bioware had decided to have the low level cap and not allow player to replay and get extremely powerful. The reason given was that the developers wanted everyone to be about the same level to start the next game. That would lead me to believe we will have our powers when we come back. Might also explain why XP for killing is gone. Maybe we will get additonal powers to develop for the next game. If I find the link, I will edit this and post it.

[Pauravi]

I really don't think they're going to get rid of the cast, and I don't know what makes you so sure that they will.



I think creating new characters is even more work than bringing back the old ones, even if not everyone uses them all due to character deaths. Bioware is also keenly aware of how attached people get to the characters they write; in fact all of ME2 was about getting to know your crew. It almost defeats the entire purpose of ME2 if they just erase them all. ME3 is going to have much smaller development costs than ME1 or ME2 because they aren't doing any graphics/engine/gameplay overhauls -- it will be all about story writing and voice acting, and graphic design. Maybe new weapons and such, maybe some new armors, maybe some new powers. Keeping that in mind, I don't see why they would scrimp on the resources required to write in the characters that could (and mostly probably WILL) survive, especially since this is going to be the final epic battle. You don't want to spend time developing new characters with the battle on the horizon, you want to tie up the relationships that are already there. It would also render completely pointless ME2's final battle. Bah, it's a silly notion.



IMO, there IS no excuse. You will keep flying the same ship you got from Cerberus with the same loyal crew. Perhaps some of them will leave (Samara probably will leave, Mordin may retire, Thane may pass away or go to be with his son, obviously Zaeed was just hired for this mission), and may be replaced by the ME1 LI cast members (Ash/Kaiden and Liara -- maybe Wrex, but I bet he stays with the Krogan). That way you will end up with a crew that is the same size as the ME2 crew (at largest), except that they don't have to come up with new back stories, new voice actors, and they won't have to contrive some stupid reason why all your loyal team mates up and left -- they'll just have to create a nice tie-up for their relationship with Shepard. Plus, you will also already have an emotional attachment to them, and them to you.



The only reason not to bring the ME2 characters back is that some people might not get to see all the parts. But so what? I don't think any single one of the characters is plot-essential (except maybe those that can't die in ME1 or 2), and there are LOTS of parts of both games that are totally optional. For instance, every single one of the romances. That doesn't keep them from making it. It also increases the replay-ability of the last 2 games as a whole -- some people may play ME2 through again so that they can take more/different characters into ME3.



There are too many reasons to bring the old crew back, and almost no good reasons not to.

[holidayc]

Pauravi wrote...

I really don't think they're going to get rid of the cast, and I don't know what makes you so sure that they will.

Old party members will defintely be selectable. But bioware is introducing new characters for the final. I wasn't able to find the link, but casey has mentioned both new characters and new LI's are in development for the final game. Its only fair to the people jumping on to the bandwagon late.

[holidayc]

Modifié par holidayc, 03 février 2010 - 10:41 .

[Dudalizer]

I honestly wouldn't care if they just said "screw it" and had character generation for imported games without any explaination before you start the game, so we can just chance our appearance and get over with it. They don't need to waste time making some big storyline to explain why you look different in ME 3. Maybe they can have some kind of facial reconstruction feature in the med lad on the Normandy like they do in ME2 except this time have it be able to change your appearance as well.

[talbainx]

aaniadyen wrote...

talbainx wrote...

It's unlikely that you'll start at lv 30 in ME3, since it would be quite unfair for players who did not import a save game.

Couldn't they just make it like BG2? Where you start at a higher level if you don't import.

They possibly could.
But then you'd risk confusing newer players by giving them a bunch of points to invest in skills they don't know.

[Agent_Dark_]

Is it actually confirmed that you play as Shepard? How can you import your save and play as Shepard if Shepard's body is vaporised in the collector base explosion?

[Ocelot83]

talbainx wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

talbainx wrote...

It's unlikely that you'll start at lv 30 in ME3, since it would be quite unfair for players who did not import a save game.

Couldn't they just make it like BG2? Where you start at a higher level if you don't import.

They possibly could.
But then you'd risk confusing newer players by giving them a bunch of points to invest in skills they don't know.

How many new players do you think will play ME 3, and be totally unfamiliar with the plot/skills, that is like watching Lotr, and start wit the Return of the King. Besides, you can always retrain your skills.

If ME 3 starts from level 30, there has to be new/more advanced skills, and the enemies will probably all be very  tough (like in BG2: Throne of Baal), which would be very logical since Shepard is facing the Reapers and their most powerful(?) minions in ME 3.

If Shepard and the crew start from level 1, wont be a big problem for me personally, it doesn't even have to be handwaved in any way. Remember that at the start of ME 1 Shepard is supposed to be a really good soldier, but he/she has lousy equipment/weapons and zero skills. Even Ashley, and she just a common soldier in a backwater planet, has better armor than Shepard at the beginning of ME 1.

[ReubenLiew]

Shepard gets amnesia.

It's the only logical cliche.

[Ocelot83]

Agent_Dark_ wrote...

Is it actually confirmed that you play as Shepard? How can you import your save and play as Shepard if Shepard's body is vaporised in the collector base explosion?

They have said that if you die, your Shepards story ends there.  Your save will not be imported to ME 3, and you have to play with default Shepard in ME 3.

Modifié par Ocelot83, 03 février 2010 - 12:50 .

[Anthropophobic]

Agent_Dark_ wrote...

Is it actually confirmed that you play as Shepard? How can you import your save and play as Shepard if Shepard's body is vaporised in the collector base explosion?

You can't import a save where Shepard dies.

[achegal]

They could bring up a sideeffect of the Lazarus project. Shepard forgets everything and u start with lvl 1.

[Haasth]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Shepard gets amnesia.
It's the only logical cliche.

This. Overexposure to deadly Collector gases. No one saw it coming. 

[holidayc]

Commandr Bond wrote...

for everyone who keeps saying "so and so won't appear in mass effect 3", please look at this:

http://en.wikipedia...._3#Main_trilogy

I'm fairly positive that means that the mass effect 2 characters will return

lol. Of course the illusive man will appear in the game, as will Tali and Garrus if they survived. NONE of this means that any individual will stay in your party.

I don't think anyone on these forums is aruging these characters will dissapear magically in 3 if they survived. At the least they'll get a cameo.

[MICHELLE7]

Commandr Bond wrote...

for everyone who keeps saying "so and so won't appear in mass effect 3", please look at this:

http://en.wikipedia...._3#Main_trilogy

I'm fairly positive that means that the mass effect 2 characters will return

January 2011 as the release date...good news indeed. Does sound like the characters from ME2 will return but I'm sure they'll have to add at least a few new options to replace some of those that may have died in certain imports. Hopefully the ME squad members will also return as full sqauddies.

[tmontana1093]

I don't know about the starting from ground zero part, but I hope this time Bioware gives you all the characters from the first and second game and allows you to recruit, say, a team of 8 that YOU want to pick. It will really test you as a player because you know there is someone that you're going to feel bad leaving out of your squad.