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[screwoffreg]

I am with most people that I think that, like Throne of Bhaal, this game will be all about facing high end and powerful creatures. That means most of your team, minus the dead ones, and including a few faces from ME 1 return. It probably means the level cap will be 60 with devastating new abilities. All romances and character relationships will conclude in spectacularly dramatic fashions as is due a finale.


With that said, I wish ME 3 would be like Throne of Bhaal in that it would only take a year to come out! Wishful thinking indeed.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 03 février 2010 - 04:46 .

[GenericPlayer2]

They could just say ME2 was all a dream - you never died, you were in a coma all this time and suffered some memory loss - hence start relearning skills again.

[deusofnull]

holidayc wrote...

The lazarus project was really smart. It gave a legitmate excuse why shepard should start at or near ground zero with skills and morality.

But you can't import a dead shepard file into ME3 because they can't plausibly ressurect shepard twice in the trilogy.

Now plenty of people have screamed they want the same squad members back and to essentially progress from where ME2 left off.

The simple and realistic answer to these cries is; not going to happen (at least the 9 currently in the squad won't all be there for the 3rd game. There will have new party members in Mass Effect 3 (as has been stated previously) and you will start your character from ground zero or something near it. (You arent going to start the game with full Singularity, Pull etc. that kills the point of leveling up).

So how do you think the developers are going to allow the crew to change up and you to plausibly get back to ground zero.

A thought I had is that the citadel will arrest you and your party for spreading word about the reapers. Jail is a great starting point for any rpg, but it has been done before.

What theories do you guys have about how the next game will get shepard back to ground zero?

I wouldnt mind if we just restarted, no explanation.  Doesnt need to be there really. 
Why didnt you get to keep the master sword in Legend of Zelda games?

[RandomPot322]

deusofnull wrote...

holidayc wrote...

The lazarus project was really smart. It gave a legitmate excuse why shepard should start at or near ground zero with skills and morality.

But you can't import a dead shepard file into ME3 because they can't plausibly ressurect shepard twice in the trilogy.

Now plenty of people have screamed they want the same squad members back and to essentially progress from where ME2 left off.

The simple and realistic answer to these cries is; not going to happen (at least the 9 currently in the squad won't all be there for the 3rd game. There will have new party members in Mass Effect 3 (as has been stated previously) and you will start your character from ground zero or something near it. (You arent going to start the game with full Singularity, Pull etc. that kills the point of leveling up).

So how do you think the developers are going to allow the crew to change up and you to plausibly get back to ground zero.

A thought I had is that the citadel will arrest you and your party for spreading word about the reapers. Jail is a great starting point for any rpg, but it has been done before.

What theories do you guys have about how the next game will get shepard back to ground zero?

I wouldnt mind if we just restarted, no explanation.  Doesnt need to be there really. 
Why didnt you get to keep the master sword in Legend of Zelda games?

Because except for one none of the games were ever direct sequals. You never play as the same link from game to game.

[DaeJi]

deusofnull wrote...
I wouldnt mind if we just restarted, no explanation.  Doesnt need to be there really. 
Why didnt you get to keep the master sword in Legend of Zelda games?

It's like I've said, Shepard starts Mass Effect as the best human soldier there is, not as some rookie who becomes the best. And yet we start that game at level one instead of, say, level 58 where we should be at according to the story.

[Reconfire89]

Shepard has to go deep undercover, and you have to maul his/her face until they look entirely different, and give them a new class to assure nobody suspects Shepard of being his/herself.



Wouldn't that be silly? ):F

[Jytra]

I don't think we're gonna be getting a "ground zero" start to the game. Based on some of the interviews, as well as confirmation of a large chunk of DLC content and a potential expansion, I'm venturing a guess that ME3 will be a direct start from your ME2 save. The squad members you have left will continue on into ME3, with some new additions or replacements, and your mission will be continuing, but more open ended.



If someone is buying ME3 and starting fresh, they'll most likely be presented with a Q and A screen to set up the game's roster and story. However, for existing saves from ME1 and ME2, your story will be continuing right where it left off.

[screwoffreg]

Jytra wrote...

I don't think we're gonna be getting a "ground zero" start to the game. Based on some of the interviews, as well as confirmation of a large chunk of DLC content and a potential expansion, I'm venturing a guess that ME3 will be a direct start from your ME2 save. The squad members you have left will continue on into ME3, with some new additions or replacements, and your mission will be continuing, but more open ended.

If someone is buying ME3 and starting fresh, they'll most likely be presented with a Q and A screen to set up the game's roster and story. However, for existing saves from ME1 and ME2, your story will be continuing right where it left off.

There will probably be a canon series of deaths and choices as well, like ME 1.  To go off of Throne of Bhaal, you will probably be given an experience boost from the start to make your character viable.  No level 1 enemies in ME 3, that is for sure...

[xMister Vx]

I don't think there will be a Q&A. The blank new character always seems to be just a boring neutral.



I also don't think there will be any event that will reset Shepard. Ok, maybe the stats, but not much else. If they want to separate you from your current crew again, they'll have to spin a pretty long prologue. It was nicely done in ME2, and there's no doubt that they can pull off something like this in ME3, but the question is - why would they?

[FriendofGarrus]

xMister Vx wrote...

I don't think there will be a Q&A. The blank new character always seems to be just a boring neutral.

I also don't think there will be any event that will reset Shepard. Ok, maybe the stats, but not much else. If they want to separate you from your current crew again, they'll have to spin a pretty long prologue. It was nicely done in ME2, and there's no doubt that they can pull off something like this in ME3, but the question is - why would they?

Because they don't want to write hundreds of hypothetical scenarios with every possible ending combination from ME2. It seems inconceivable that everyone will return.

[Vengal345]

I forget who said this but, ME3 "It was all a dream Shepard wakes up on the floor in a Mcdonalds"



Seriously though game mechanics for this type of thing require a reset to 0, I really don't think a good explanation is needed. If you look at a comparison from ME1 to ME2 it wasn't even a total reset since you didn't have to train your classes weapons to use them. So something like that, starting you at level 1 but not needing to train weapons, and maybe keeping 1-2 abilities may work.



I'm with previous posters that the method to the reset doesn't matter to me but it has to happen to make the game work.

[Gill Kaiser]

It seems to me that ME2 and ME3 will be more closely linked than ME1 and ME2, as is usually the case with trilogies. Even though the Mass Effect series was planned to be a trilogy, the first game/movie in a trilogy always has to be slightly more standalone just in case it's not successful enough to warrant a sequel. There's always the threat of franchise failure. Since ME1 was so successful, ME2 and ME3 were sure things and it allows Bioware to link the two together more implicitly.

[Series5Ranger]

Fuzzyrabbit wrote...

Most likely, TIM will decide he's done with Shep (either because he has the advanced collector/reaper tech and feels he doesn't need you or because you destroyed it and he's pissed at you) and you're betrayed, captured and brutally experimented on for an extended period.

That way, Shep could stay relatively the same level but have new abilities related to his cybernetic upgrades and possibly lose some old abilities through trauma and disuse. It would also be another way to change his appearance and/or class while tying believably into the events following the previous game.

Actually I think that TIM is cool even if Shepard blows up the base, because he can still keep track of them, and he's still a useful resource and can contact them if he needs to.

[Invalidcode]

They possibly could.

But then you'd risk confusing newer players by giving them a bunch of points to invest in skills they don't know.

Won't be too bad I think, ME leveling system's learning curve is pretty newbie friendly.



It's not like it's MotB, lol new game and KABOOM-Build a level 18 character with DnD 3.5 rules.

[JMKnave]

I don't think it'll be a reboot. The reapers are already close to the milky way. I'm guessing ME3 will take place just a few months after ME2 ended. So likely the level progression will be from lvl 30 to 60.

[Cutlass Jack]

I guess I view 'starting at ground zero' a little differently. Sure in ME2 you started at level 1ish, but your skill set completely changed. Meaning much of what you spent points on in ME1 you no longer needed to spend points on. You don't need to relearn your weapons, you can wear any armor, you have enough tech skills to hack/lockpick, etc.

Basically the game doesn't make you relearn all that again. It's just assumed you know what you're doing by now. Sure you have to relearn specials again, but they did refit you with newer version biotic amps, etc. (L5 variants instead of the L2-3s from the first game)

So I don't really think in 3 they'll need to put in some dramatic reason. Just say you got a new amp/gear and have to spend a little time getting up to speed.

[Gill Kaiser]

i could see how TIM might be pissed off at Shepard for blowing up the base, but come on. He still accomplished what he was rebuilt to do. I really don't think TIM should be THAT angry at him. He's in it for the species, after all... the Illusive Man should provide him with whatever he needs to defeat the Reapers no matter whether he blow up the base or not.

[ComTrav]

Your level is a game abstraction anyway.



In ME1, how does scanning minerals make you better at shooting a gone? How come a War Hero background doesn't give you more XP then Sole Survivor? (And what is it about Noveria/Virmire et al that gives him more experience and abilities than his years of training prior to the game?)



'Resetting' character relationships are trickier from a story perspective, but they had to have figured out how the suicide mission would impact ME3 before they decided on it.

[Jaina Twoseas]

You die of old age and play Shepard's son.

[Raezaiel]

You know shepard didn't start at zero in this game right? his hp and shield levels were about that of a level 60 in ME1

[lordfrikk]

If it's supposed to come out in January next year I desperately want to believe it won't be rushed but it just will... There's no way Bioware can make great, long and re-playable experience in a mere one year.

Modifié par lordfrikk, 03 février 2010 - 06:19 .

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

lordfrikk wrote...

If it's supposed to come out in January next year I desperately want to believe it won't be rushed but it just will... There's no way Bioware can make great, long and re-playable experience in a mere one year.

who said anything about me3 coming out next year

[Gill Kaiser]

Wikipedia says it. However, I'd hope that they take at least two years.

[TyDurden13]

lordfrikk wrote...

If it's supposed to come out in January next year I desperately want to believe it won't be rushed but it just will... There's no way Bioware can make great, long and re-playable experience in a mere one year.

Where do you get January 2011 from?  The only place I saw that date was Wikipedia, and when I follwed the citation it was to IGN's Mass Effect page, which only had "TBA 2011."  I would seriously doubt it will be out January next year.  Holidays 2011, maybe.  Somewhere between then and Q1 2012 would be my guess.

[BlueEyes_Austin]

screwoffreg wrote...

I am with most people that I think that, like Throne of Bhaal, this game will be all about facing high end and powerful creatures. That means most of your team, minus the dead ones, and including a few faces from ME 1 return. It probably means the level cap will be 60 with devastating new abilities. All romances and character relationships will conclude in spectacularly dramatic fashions as is due a finale.


With that said, I wish ME 3 would be like Throne of Bhaal in that it would only take a year to come out! Wishful thinking indeed.

This.  I think the main reason for the reset was that Bioware wanted to change the engine/combat system/inventory system substantially and so they had to wipe out the past to do so.  They'll keep the new system for ME3 so opening the level cap makes sense.  They just need to come up with a clever, game important skill point sink.

But what do I know.  Maybe they are planning on ME3 being another game type reboot to the "spiritual successor to Master of Orion 2" and you'll play GalacticCiv with a Shep head.