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[Craptrain]

You think Dragon Age is Hack and Slash whereas Neverwinter Nights is a "true RPG"? Okay, captain crazy, whatever you say...

[Darthboubou]

I hate the fact that I paid 69$ for the game (xbox) and in the first few hours I am asked to BUY more quests with downloaded content, I paid for a complete game, and its not what I got. I dont have a problem with buying a complete expansion, but paying for quest, its really sad, Bioware should be ashamed

[allothernamesweretaken]

wlcina wrote...


Baldurs Gate / Neverwinter Nihghts - that were RPG games. Dragon age ? its hack n slash with new "pause" option.
 

Thank you for proving you never actually played Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

[abominare]

wlcina wrote...

I am writing again, why I consider this game as "average":

1) COOP play, Bioware is stupid if they didnt add multiplayer to DA. Why ? It will make game playable 10 times longer ! Just have look at the Neverwinter Nights (1) - people are still playing over internet, modding comunity is working on their new mods. This is just fact. Each good multiplayer game lasts much longer. Single player ? - you will win 2 - 3 times and you will never return to game again.

2) Tactics - there is ONE!! command action. I do not understand such this thing. Why just one ? This is called tactics ? horrible, just imagine they were at least 3, what a nice combos you can create.

3) User interface why on each side of my monitor, not ergonomic. You will have to run with you mouse here, then there, then there again.

4) Predefined paths , exploration killed. In RPG ? great ways to destroy one of great RPG elements.

... more are coming...

1. Co Op would have been nice but its solely the modding community keeping NWN alive not the stale and boring online play from it. Luckily DOA has teh modding tools.

2. I disagree, it comes to a point where if they fleshed out the tactics screen too much the game would play itself and that MIGHT get boring. TBH I stopped using the screen because I got tired of the cooldowns being down when I really saw a great opening. Its a cool menu and its nice to put some of the more mindless stuff in there.

3. Hotkeys that is all.

4. I completely disagree here. Sure theres not miles and miles of forest to wander in like Oblivion, even in those games its useless its a waste of time to wander out a "generated filler" thats right the game engine randomly painted all of it and added spawn points you are wandering an area the game designers didn't care enough to make themselves. Id much rather be in a smaller area that was atleast properly filled with quests and sights. I have little desire to whack off in every bush and tree a game can fit. Not to jab at bethseda but honestly they had to make you wander because the story system was just that horrid they had to offer something else.

[abominare]

imemoria wrote...

Yaggo wrote...

imemoria wrote...

I have the same opinion, on 360 the game is a shame. the graphics are bad because the xbox hardware was not respected and the game is a just a port from pc. game that are 3 or 4 years old are better looking. the combat is ankward, you keep dieing a lot because of the lack of strategy due to the lack of isometric view. that's the main reason the difficulty has been dumbed down on the console, btw. I was waiting for this game for so long, that's depressing....

Consider this: Xbox360 version in USA=60$
Xbox360 version in Europe = 97$

Missing content, lousy implementation. How do they justify this? Is this a way to combat piracy? Yes, but in the opposite way...

yeah I guess we're in the same boat, paying 70 euros for this game I just feel ripped off...

I know its not much of a justification but this is just one of those games that could never work well on a console. Party based strategy and RTS are practically impossible to do right without a keyboard and mouse.

[Staylost]

MMOs suck because whining actually gets things done. I prefer a game where they stick to their guns and don't sacrifice quality to try to put in features to make everyone happy.

I prefer games with open world exploration. I have been disappointed in Bioware since after BG by the lack of exploration in their games. Still, they are pretty darn good games and adding what I want just to add it would cheapen them.

I'm sure Bioware could put all the pieces together to make the ultimate RPG. A Bioware story & characters set in a Bethesda world with awesome FF cutscenes. But a game like that would have to cost well over $100.

[Schuback]

It's not that the game is bad, it's just that 'some' people tend to expect too much especially after given ads, trailers, reviews and stuff made us all anticipating DAO!! I was so excited about GTA4 back then because everyone was talking about all the new and cool stuff, but when I played it I thought it was average simply because I was expecting too much, too!!



So, reviewers gave the game good ratings because they themselves are reviewers and are the first to announce thier verdict to the world. We then pre-judge the game based on their say and their experience.

[Schuback]

It's not that the game is bad, it's just that 'some' people tend to expect too much especially after given ads, trailers, reviews and stuff made us all anticipating DAO!! I was so excited about GTA4 back then because everyone was talking about all the new and cool stuff, but when I played it I thought it was average simply because I was expecting too much, too!!



So, reviewers gave the game good ratings because they themselves are reviewers and are the first to announce thier verdict to the world. We then pre-judge the game based on their say and their experience.

[juicyjones]

wlcina wrote...

LMAO

moderators are deleting negative comments about the game, it hardens my opinion, that my money
were wasted when I bought Dragon Age. It isnt superb game, as review says, its just hype.
Its average game, there are plenty games like Dragon Age, but without marketing and advertisement.

Yep, you may consider this game as funny, great, but if you think deeper - its just average, and have too much missing rpg elements to get 9 or 9.5 points out of 10.

Baldurs Gate / Neverwinter Nihghts - that were RPG games. Dragon age ? its hack n slash with new "pause" option.

Wake up ppl :-)  

Wow you changed my life. There I was thinking I had a mind of my own and loved DAO, but you've really opened my eyes to the horrible nightmare I've been living in. Thanks, and farewell.

[dithiax]

I Must also say i'm supreemly dissapointed, I was looking forward to this game for ages and after two days have returned several times to my games of choice to get the adrenaline and excitement I crave. Its like reading a book.

[wlcina]

Derengard wrote...

Drakensang is quite well-known (to me) and it definitely has many drawbacks. The story isn't very suspenseful, it's a traditionally linear game, you might call its aesthetic cheesy, its battle simplistic and unbalanced.... it just isn't so much of a burner. Chrono Trigger is 20 years old, or something like this. Now you'll say, no, it's 18,7 years old. Anyway, it's very, very old. And we're talking about games from the last 3 years at the very least. FF7 is perhaps not quite as old. But it still doesn't have the same high standards of realism, dialogs, complexity and choices and consequences as some slightly newer games. All in all, all your points are rather silly. Too bad.

Drakensang unbalanced ? :-O, I won game 3 times, but I never had any thought of that, maybe you should try other dificulty. Battle in DS was very different from DA, more tactic is required, you have to queue combat, watch it, and when required, pause, use new commands / abilities and continue. (sorry I cannot say that programming base interface in DA is tactic, yes it IS interesting and innovative in RPG, but human queue programming does its job much better).
I do not have database of all new rpg games, and I can only tell you from my own experience, what about NWN 2, its new game, looks very similar to DA, but its better. DA with its simplified RPG gameplay is boring - ( all RPG elements went over the rainbow and hack n slash was implemented to please the masses), even if the story may be great, dont know, I am just in 2nd half of game.
You may call my posts / opinion silly, nvm, Enjouy your DA, as I am not enjoying it because its not RPG just hack n slash.

[Varenus Luckmann]

carlosjuero wrote...
Moderators are deleting unconstructive negative rants, the ones that tend to turn into flame fests.

I have thought very deeply on this game and still see it as a great RPG. To each their own.

As much as I love the game so far (except the fact that I can't get all the promotional DLC to work), if "unconstructive negative rants" are censored, why aren't unconstructive positive rants?

From an objective point of view, of course.

[BW_Lee]

I never thought I would see Dragon Age described as "hack and slash".

I guess we can agree to disagree.

[wlcina]

allothernamesweretaken wrote...
Thank you for proving you never actually played Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Lol, you dont see difference ? You dont see that in BG and NWN you had more areas to explore, the queue of actions ? the more side quests, more tactical battles, more spells (and usable), more dialogs. the cooperative gameplay ?
If not, you are probably blind... anyway, return to your DA and have a good hack n slash.

[Kemor]

Think about DA as rpg - the game is pushing you directly to the end. No chance for your own options / opinions and so on, that is not RPGish.

No chance for your own options and opinions? Have you actually played the game more than 3 minutes? There are some really rough choices in the game.

[jayefbee22]

this game is awesome. been playing all day. as an old school RPG fan and 25 yrs of gaming experience ive seen LOADS of RPG's.



average. i think NOT. RPG, most deffo.



you'll be telling me that Fallout 1&2 are "average" and they are not RPG's either?

[macayle]

well everyone has their own opinons as to what is a good game. Myself I really enjoyed BG I BGII was ok and i really did not like winters dale or whatever the sequal was called.

Remember NWN and this game are two different types of games to start with. NWN was and is more of an attempt to allow PnP players to use a PC to create and have people play in this medium rather than PnP.

I agree a coop ability would be a nice addition to this game just as it was in BG.

Not sure why you think their is one command option in tactics. I usually have three set up for each toon as i have not so far opted to spend points to increase the slots allowed.

Not sure about your UI comment as mine is a string along the bottom of the screen for the toons with the housekeeping row at the top (not something i use during the heat of combat and i could pause if i needed to)

I agree i would prefer a less linear game such as how BG I was when compared to BGII

[JTwizzy88]

wlcina wrote...

allothernamesweretaken wrote...
Thank you for proving you never actually played Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Lol, you dont see difference ? You dont see that in BG and NWN you had more areas to explore, the queue of actions ? the more side quests, more tactical battles, more spells (and usable), more dialogs. the cooperative gameplay ?
If not, you are probably blind... anyway, return to your DA and have a good hack n slash.

Actually there's more dialogue available and more side quests in DA:O than in either BG or NWN.  Whether tactics are more or less advanced than BG (I'd say much more advanced) is debatable but NWN was not a tactical game lol.  Also, you could not queue actions in BG.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

wlcina wrote...

Think about DA as rpg - the game is pushing you directly to the end. No chance for your own options / opinions and so on, that is not RPGish.

So... you HAVEN'T played the game yet, then.

[wrexingcrew]

Wicina, reasonable criticisms are fine. I have no problem with someone disliking DA:O or considering it a flawed RPG. Calling it a hack n slash, though, is a good way to prevent anyone from taking you seriously. That just tells me you don't understand the way games are classified. It's not a matter of opinion - you're contradicting widely understood definitions/classifications.

[Azureblaze]

[quote]wlcina wrote...

I am writing again, why I consider this game as "average":

1) COOP play, Bioware is stupid if they didnt add multiplayer to DA. Why ? It will make game playable 10 times longer ! Just have look at the Neverwinter Nights (1) - people are still playing over internet, modding comunity is working on their new mods. This is just fact. Each good multiplayer game lasts much longer. Single player ? - you will win 2 - 3 times and you will never return to game again.

I somewhat agree here,  I hope they add some form of Co-op later.

2) Tactics - there is ONE!! command action. I do not understand such this thing. Why just one ? This is called tactics ? horrible, just imagine they were at least 3, what a nice combos you can create.

Play the game more you are granted more slots, and you can even train more slots. Play more before you rant.

3) User interface why on each side of my monitor, not ergonomic. You will have to run with you mouse here, then there, then there again.

Have you ever heard of hotkeys for shortcuts?  1-9 for shortcut bar, F1,F2 etc to select characters...and you don't have to use the mouse to control your character either.

4) Predefined paths , exploration killed. In RPG ? great ways to destroy one of great RPG elements.

Once again, play the game more, eventually you get MANY choices on where to go. (About 10% in)

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

wlcina wrote...

allothernamesweretaken wrote...
Thank you for proving you never actually played Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Lol, you dont see difference ? You dont see that in BG and NWN you had more areas to explore, the queue of actions ? the more side quests, more tactical battles, more spells (and usable), more dialogs. the cooperative gameplay ?
If not, you are probably blind... anyway, return to your DA and have a good hack n slash.

Or... here is another option, you didn't actually play DAO past any of the origins.

Yes. DOA has more dialogue. More tactical battles. MORE SIDEQUESTS. Go back and actually play BG2, then play this game, and you will find out.

Until then, shut the hell up, you are making a big fool out of yourself.

And what exactly is this ''cooperative gameplay'' in BG2? You are probably referring to some kind of mod? Also, BG did have more spells... but most of them were crap anyway. Once you got Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting you'd never cast another Melf Acid Arrow or Magic Missle. More areas to explore? Not that many.

[Valfrekr]

Ok, here's my opinion: Although not perfect, this game is great. I'm getting really involved in the story, and I like the party members and how diverse they are. Yes, the graphics aren't up to ME standards. Yes, this plays more like a hack and slash as oppose to a traditional RPG. Yes, it doesn't have the freedom of Oblivion (Which I love by the way, and I don't understand the hatred you guys have for it). What it does have is story. It's a decent RPG, that'll have me playing for a long time.



If you don't like this game, there is a simple solution; don't play it anymore. Take it back to your retailer and get your money back.

[wlcina]

Valfrekr wrote...
If you don't like this game, there is a simple solution; don't play it anymore. Take it back to your retailer and get your money back.

I wish I could but no chance here. When you buy the game, and you open the box, then the retailer wont take it back.

[Valfrekr]

Sorry to hear that you don't like the game.