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[Dreadplate22]

wlcina wrote...

I am writing again, why I consider this game as "average":

1) COOP play, Bioware is stupid if they didnt add multiplayer to DA. Why ? It will make game playable 10 times longer ! Just have look at the Neverwinter Nights (1) - people are still playing over internet, modding comunity is working on their new mods. This is just fact. Each good multiplayer game lasts much longer. Single player ? - you will win 2 - 3 times and you will never return to game again.

2) Tactics - there is ONE!! command action. I do not understand such this thing. Why just one ? This is called tactics ? horrible, just imagine they were at least 3, what a nice combos you can create.

3) User interface why on each side of my monitor, not ergonomic. You will have to run with you mouse here, then there, then there again.

4) Predefined paths , exploration killed. In RPG ? great ways to destroy one of great RPG elements.

... more are coming...

I'm sorry you don't like the game but all of your problems that you listed weren't flaws with the game, they were design directions taken by the devs that you don't agree with it. In all honesty you should never of bought this game. All of the items you listed were well known before the game came out. This game has had so much advertisements, previews and spoilers released before the game that no one should be able to complain that bioware sold them something different then they advertised.

If you didn't know what this game was like before you bought it then the fault lies in you as a consumer.

[StonerMkII]

wlcina wrote...

StonerMkII wrote...
.....Sorry but your points as to why it should are irrelevent. If you want a multiplayer game, go play Borderlands i think it would better suit your needs.

MR StonerMKII I am sorry that I wish have multiplayer in this game... Is it sarcastic enough ?

What about this FF?:
http://www.joystiq.c...y-agito-xiii-t/

Why they add MP when no one wanted it ? 

Sarcastic enough? I hardly see that as sarcastic.

That FF is being developed and being released on the PSP system. Which in and of itself will fail because its released on the PSP.

From the Wiki - http://en.wikipedia....tasy_Agito_XIII


"The game's plot is thought to be "massive" and is still being finalized as of June 2009.[6][7] The game is set in a magic school named Akademeia (using the Greek term for Academy),[3] and will gradually expand to the larger world outside of the school. It is described as an online RPG, but not "massively multiplayer".

I think ive made my point.

BioWare from the BEGINING said that Dragon Age will be a SINGLEPLAYER experience. I dont think theres anything left to say about the subject.

Modifié par StonerMkII, 06 novembre 2009 - 06:57 .

[Krimzon_Grimm]

I have a great car for sale but I’d rather you not test drive it until you buy it….. lol / Joking



It amazes me the amount of people that complain after buying a game based on Hype. surely it can not be the first time they bought a game based on Hype and not the first time they didn’t like a game they bought based off the Hype and if you didn’t learn from the first time you had that experience then well you get what you feel you got. I’m not trying to slam anyone for not liking the game I LOVE the game but if you don’t do a little research and just jump in well then you are a risk taker and risk takers have to except the good and the bad and if by chance this is a first time experience for you well consider it a lesson learned on the next game you purchase. Just my thought…



Life’s to short to sweat the small stuff… Have Fun.

[Arcadionn]

Multiplayer in the context of the game?

I could obviously see your guy friend responding to conversations in the camp as Morrigan telling you to come join him in his tent because it's cold... Multiplayer would alter a severely important portion of the game. What would you put in lieu of the normal dialog? Since I would be unusable in a MP environment.

Alterable UI.... ok, fair enough, it could use modifications but it is well laid out and functionnal... I hope your dislike of the game does not rest only on such benine factors...

Command Queing? You do realize they allow you (and even moreso the higher your level becomes) to program the way your party acts on its own, yes? With the build in "macro" editor you can make your party quite self-sufficient and enjoy your own character in a true RPG fashion. (well from my perspective - I am the player, not the rest of the party)

On your RPG standpoint... Final Fantasy #, Chrono Trigger? You, sir, are comparing apple with oranges... and like the ING guy says... wait... lost my train of thought here...

Back on point... DA:O portrays a RPG style that is heavy on the player and its story-driven involvement in a world that reacts to it... in FF or CT the world does not see you any different if you kill a boss before another boss... it is all scripted, not reactive...  and as a previous poster stated : "Does FF or CT allow you to play multiplayer despite  being a party game? No? Then your point is invalid."  

RPG's do not mean Open-world sandbox either... RPG's do not mean you will see a feature that you found in another game and you liked... Open-World is merely a feature CERTAIN titles harbor... Oblivion would obviously not have worked in the same structure as DA:O, why? Because it was not designed to be as such...  Thing is, I rather think DA:O works well in a semi-restrictive fashion... not the best of games to compare but Fable worked well in that way too and that is another RPG if there is one that wants you to be the hero...

Notice this last word... design... the game was not designed to please what YOU specifically wanted in the title... it aimed to be a great game that a large spectrum of players would appreciate, it takes elements from former games made or not by bioware... it is how it is, not because they wanted to displease you, because they Designed it to be how it is.... is it without flaw? Of course not... nothing is without flaw, not even you and your opinions.

<Edit> From what I read from you, I am not sure what your definition of a RPG game is... for me "role playing game" depicts you getting in the skin of a character and playing him without thinking on how you SHOULD play it but play it like you would in his/her shoes... its immersion, what so many games lack today... it is the core of a RPG game for me... how much you are drawn in the skin of your character.
</Edit>

Take the game for what it is, not what you thought it would be, or what features you think are missing from them.... because you sir must not like many games if you always evaluate in this optic.

I am a sci-fi player, I do not usually like fantasy medieval contexts, yet this game has me hooked... guess its to each his own heh?

Also, I often see posts that post false information or are flame generators be removed.... sensible and constructive comments are not... proof... this thread reached close to 8 pages.

You seem like one of these MMO players that feels the need to tell others they are quitting the game despite knowing no one on the server and acting surprised when the flames begin to spread... what sort of response did you expect posting against a game on its very community site?

Cheers.

Modifié par Arcadionn, 06 novembre 2009 - 07:14 .

[sh4d0wf34r]

Love the game. its exactly what I was hoping it would be. Its PROBABLY exactly what anyone who is familiar with bioware hoped for. No, its not WoW, or Oblivion, or well, anything else. It is exactly what its supposed to be, a strategic, tactic oriented, single player, rpg. And, as always, Bioware has delivered the current BEST game of that type. If you dont like it, you should have paid more attention to the "hype" so you would have known what you were buying, they didnt keep it a secret.



Oh, also, this isnt an mmo. crying on the boards does nothing for you. They already got their money from you, so, its your bad for not researching a little deeper before you bought, not theirs.

[wlcina]

StonerMkII wrote...
.... It is described as an online RPG, but not "massively multiplayer".

How we got from Cooperative game (like army of 2 ) to massively multiplayer game ? You didnt get the point.

[Malastare-]

wlcina wrote...

The most closest to DA is Drakensang, then you should try Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7, then you will see what ROLE PLAYING GAME is.

Drakensang?  I heard it was decent, but there was nothing compelling about the story and it was rather cliched.  I'm not going to say that it's a bad comparison.  It's probably one of the few other games I'd place in the "solidly RPG" category.

Chrono Trigger: Honestly?  We're going to pull out 20 year old games based on completely different technlogy and declare them as the defining standard?

FF7: No.  Just no.  FF7 might be considered a RPG (and one of the better ones), but everyone who plays modern RPGs classes the FF series in a completely different bin than things like DA, BG, & Drakensang.  FF and friends are more like watching a movie which has occasional interruptions of (in my opinion: hokey) combat situations.

wlcina wrote...

Another negative thoughts (still playing this game, and still
"trolling" because I am showing you whats the wrong with this overhyped
tryout for RPG)
- Mage's AOE spells are unusable, you will wipe out your party (example Fireball or Hell spell )

Yeah, that does suck.  If only DA could have behaved more like Baldur's Gate... oh wait--

Have you never played BG/BG2 or any of the games in that engine?  Why do you think fireball was so unpopular?  You could get it at a low level, but it was so powerful that it was only really used as a "first shot" or "last resort" as it had a tendency to kill your party (or you) if you used it without thinking.  The same with things like Horrid Wilting, which would often decimate the contents of an entire room, ravaging your party if you weren't smart enough to move them out of the way.

wlcina wrote...

- NPCs often stucks (not attacking) its a feature as you may say, but for me its a bug ;-)

Sorry, having your PC read your mind is something that won't be implemented until the next generation of nVidia and ATi cards.  Use your head a little more.  Your party members will often hang back if they aren't within sight or attack range of an enemy that you are in attack or sight range of.  They go into battle mode, but have nothing to attack.  This is the way it should be as any other strategy would likely be Doing It Wrong™.

The only other way I could think to take this would be as a complaint against the one instance I came across where an enemy NPC was standing in the corner of a room while I was standing outside.  My partner and I killed his buddy (who he could clearly see) without drawing him out of his corner.  He couldn't see us, so he didn't go red and come after us.  Is it a bug?  No, thats the way the AI works.  Is it realistic?  Not really.  Of course, coding the enemy AI to chain alerts like that is not only difficult and problematic, but will have a performance cost.

wlcina wrote...

does rpg games have auto heal ? :-)

This one does.  And you know what?  I much prefer auto-heal to "sleep for sixteen hours after every major fight".  The end result is the same, but one of them forces me to do boring, repetitive tasks.

[bzombo]

wlcina wrote...

I am writing again, why I consider this game as "average":

1) COOP play, Bioware is stupid if they didnt add multiplayer to DA. Why ? It will make game playable 10 times longer ! Just have look at the Neverwinter Nights (1) - people are still playing over internet, modding comunity is working on their new mods. This is just fact. Each good multiplayer game lasts much longer. Single player ? - you will win 2 - 3 times and you will never return to game again.

2) Tactics - there is ONE!! command action. I do not understand such this thing. Why just one ? This is called tactics ? horrible, just imagine they were at least 3, what a nice combos you can create.

3) User interface why on each side of my monitor, not ergonomic. You will have to run with you mouse here, then there, then there again.

4) Predefined paths , exploration killed. In RPG ? great ways to destroy one of great RPG elements.

... more are coming...

1. the game was designed to be single player. everyone on the planet but you knew that. baldur's gate is still played a lot and it is not exactly a great multiplayer game. it's a single player, and people replay it over and over. jeez. an option outside of the 1000s of mmorpgs out there now and you complain that they didn't pretty much just make another with a single player option as afterthought. it's not what the game is. that's like complaining that your cadillac doesn't have wide racing tires on it like sports cars have. not what it was designed for.
2. tactics are extras. i'm not so big on tactics anyway. i use my own tactics and micromanage. i have some very basic tactics turned on.
3. ???????
4. there is plenty of exploration, but there has to be some direction. there's less freedom than the bg series, but those games are once (twice?) in a lifetime games.

Modifié par bzombo, 06 novembre 2009 - 07:16 .

[KidDeath10k]

I thought Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights both had pause buttons...  Dragon Age: Origins met every single one of my expectations, and some. 

[bzombo]

KidDeath10k wrote...

I thought Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights both had pause buttons...  Dragon Age: Origins met every single one of my expectations, and some. 

then that makes you a bad person. the game is evil!

[ieaticecream]

If you want to play a MMORPG made by Bioware then go play the Old Republic when it comes out. All this QQ is nauseating.

Modifié par ieaticecream, 06 novembre 2009 - 07:24 .

[wlcina]

Jesus, I am going to react just to post which are to topic I wrote before.

1) I am not asking MMO, I said what is missing in the game. Coop. Not MMO. So stop with mmo stuff.



why I am thinking this game as no RPG, or maybe its simplified rpg as could be ? like diablo ? Play NWN2 for a bit, and then you will know what I am talking about.



I didnt say this game is poor or bad, I said it is just average. Nothing out of ordinary. If you like it, play it. I do not. Sorry. I am RPG player, and when I started to play this game, I never had feeling it is RPG. Yes, game is not for me. I will try another for sure.



If you do not agree with me, then dont agree, but stop persuade me that this game should not be coop. I think it should. Play this game, but dont say it is RPG, It is rather action game than RPG.

[StonerMkII]

wlcina wrote...

Jesus, I am going to react just to post which are to topic I wrote before.
1) I am not asking MMO, I said what is missing in the game. Coop. Not MMO. So stop with mmo stuff.

why I am thinking this game as no RPG, or maybe its simplified rpg as could be ? like diablo ? Play NWN2 for a bit, and then you will know what I am talking about.

I didnt say this game is poor or bad, I said it is just average. Nothing out of ordinary. If you like it, play it. I do not. Sorry. I am RPG player, and when I started to play this game, I never had feeling it is RPG. Yes, game is not for me. I will try another for sure.

If you do not agree with me, then dont agree, but stop persuade me that this game should not be coop. I think it should. Play this game, but dont say it is RPG, It is rather action game than RPG.

Dude, sorry but NWN2 failed horribly. Have you ever played the first NWN? If you had you would understand why NWN2 is a horrible sequel. This is because BioWare had no hand in its development. Obsidian developed it and did a craptastic job of it. And this game is in no way anything like Diablo. I will continue to play it and will continue to call it a *true* RPG. From your words, stop trying to presuade us that this game isnt a RPG and simply another Diablo 2. Its not.

[Arcadionn]

wlcina wrote...

Jesus, I am going to react just to post which are to topic I wrote before.
1) I am not asking MMO, I said what is missing in the game. Coop. Not MMO. So stop with mmo stuff.

why I am thinking this game as no RPG, or maybe its simplified rpg as could be ? like diablo ? Play NWN2 for a bit, and then you will know what I am talking about.

I didnt say this game is poor or bad, I said it is just average. Nothing out of ordinary. If you like it, play it. I do not. Sorry. I am RPG player, and when I started to play this game, I never had feeling it is RPG. Yes, game is not for me. I will try another for sure.

If you do not agree with me, then dont agree, but stop persuade me that this game should not be coop. I think it should. Play this game, but dont say it is RPG, It is rather action game than RPG.

Thats the thing... You try to persuade us of your opinions... whilst in the meantime you have over 20 individuals telling you the exact opposite. Yet you maintain YOUR definition of RPG to be accurate and ours not? NWN and this game are oh! so similar - the alterations made were not all positive, however, to call this game average is so far from the truth. You merely expose how your personnal expections and preconceptions were not met... quite simple, really.

If you do not want your opinions to be "besmirched" as such... stop responding that you are right and the rest are wrong in-lieu of accepting you may be one of the only to feel as such... I oh-so despite people that use older games with years of patches and improvements to vindicate their hate for a game that is not the same as the one they love with better graphics and that makes you coffee and brings you your slippers in the morning... it is NOT NWN... deal with it or move on.

Actually let me be childish here a moment:

NWN was not a good game... I wish it were more like DA:O...

[sh4d0wf34r]

KidDeath10k wrote...

I thought Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights both had pause buttons...  Dragon Age: Origins met every single one of my expectations, and some. 

They did

[Felene]

I am loving how you ignoring my former post, wlcina.

Take your bottle of whine and leave troll.

I am not trying to persuade you to like this game, I am asking you to leave since it is clear you are in the wrong place.

You are like a child in the supermarket roll over the floor crying just because your mom or dad doesn't buy you candy.

Pathetic,really.

Modifié par Felene, 06 novembre 2009 - 07:54 .

[ironcreed2]

Congratulations, you have an opinion. Just please do not try and force it down everyone else's throat as if it were a carved in stone fact. Now, kindly go hang yourself upside down over a pack of hungry midgets.

[wlcina]

Arcadionn wrote...

Thats the thing... You try to persuade us of your opinions... whilst in the meantime you have over 20 individuals telling you the exact opposite. Yet you maintain YOUR definition of RPG to be accurate and ours not? NWN and this game are oh! so similar - the alterations made were not all positive, however, to call this game average is so far from the truth. You merely expose how your personnal expections and preconceptions were not met... quite simple, really.

If you do not want your opinions to be "besmirched" as such... stop responding that you are right and the rest are wrong in-lieu of accepting you may be one of the only to feel as such... I oh-so despite people that use older games with years of patches and improvements to vindicate their hate for a game that is not the same as the one they love with better graphics and that makes you coffee and brings you your slippers in the morning... it is NOT NWN... deal with it or move on.

Actually let me be childish here a moment:

NWN was not a good game... I wish it were more like DA:O...

Your wrong  
I said thing I didnt like in the game, and then horde of 20 trolls appears and bashing to me that game is great A+
No, its not, and its not a RPG. RPG game follows complex rules. This game doesnt follow rules, (not like BG or NWN follows the D&D rules, not like Drakensang follows Das Schwarze Auge rules, as whole series ROA did) If you call this game RPG, then you call RPG any game, even the Dynablaster, there you also upgrading your stats, (speed, multiple bombs)

I agree that DA has RPG elements. but very simplified. I do not like it. You do, because you dont wana see more than 5 stats. Why ? I dont know, maybe you do like simple games, maybe you dont have time for real rpg epic sagas. So play it. Its designed for masses. You know it ? And thats why is it simple. PPL dont want to use their brain when playing games, they want to go through the game like knife through the butter. If they stucks then they are whining. RPG games in last few years are very simplified I know it. I thought that DA will be something special. No. Just average simple rpg (i am calling hack n slash) for masses. No brain needed. So be it. You playing it and enjoying it. Me not.

[Malastare-]

wlcina wrote...

why I am thinking this game as no RPG, or maybe its simplified rpg as could be ? like diablo ? Play NWN2 for a bit, and then you will know what I am talking about.

Yes, I see now.  NWN2 is the paragon of all RPG and anything that deviates is not as good.  Excellent.  You could have saved everyone a lot of trouble if you'd have just said at the very start: "I wanted this game to be NWN2, but it's not and here are the things I would do to turn it into NWN2."   Then, at least, everyone would have known that you weren't here to actually discuss things.

I'm sorry to break this to you, but I didn't like NWN2.  I didn't even like NWN.  Actually, lots of people didn't like it.  I'm not saying its trash, but the whole "must-follow-DnD" style sort of lost its appeal to me.  The game was glitchy and for whatever reason, just never really grabbed my interest.  I held off on my pre-order for DA because I was afraid it was going to be too much like NWN/NWN2.

You see, people have different tastes.  You think NWN2 was great.  I thought it was an uninspired attempt to appeal to PnP players by using a system never intended to be used on computers.  Neither of us is correct, because those views are just opinions.

Saying that DA is closer to Diablo than to BG is also an opinion... a rather confounding one that will leave you with very few people who agree with you.

wlcina wrote...

If you do not agree with me, then dont agree, but stop persuade me that this game should not be coop. I think it should. Play this game, but dont say it is RPG, It is rather action game than RPG.

If you do not agree with me, then don't agree, but stop trying to persude me that this game shoud be coop.  I don't think it should.  Play this game, but don't say it is an action game.  Its is far more of an RPG than an action game.

...

See what I did there?  Your opinions are not correct because you say they are.  Everyone has opinions and if you only want to hear people who agree with you, then I suggest talking to a mirror instead of posting on a discussion forum.  Seriously listen to yourself: You're claiming the game isn't an RPG because there is no multiplayer coop and action queuing?  Those are what you think the defining characteristics of an RPG are?

I guess I'm just foolish and think RPGs are defined by character creation, equipment selection/management, and storyline involvement.  I guess you feel that none of those are important as the number of commands that can be queued up during an attack sequence.  Which makes perfect sense if you're completely drunk.

[wlcina]

Felene wrote...
I am loving how you ignoring my former post, wlcina.
Take your bottle of whine and leave troll.
I am not trying to persuade you to like this game, I am asking you to leave since it is clear you are in the wrong place.
You are like a child in the supermarket roll over the floor crying just because your mom or dad doesn't buy you candy.
Pathetic,really.

LoL, yes, you r pathetic. Really. You don not persuade me to like game, but to leave. Dont look to this discussion if you do not like it. But do not persuade people to be silent, when they want to share their opinion, even if their opinion is different from yours. I feel really sorry for your BF/ Husband. 

BTW My bro is playing WoW so I know what a game is it. I am playing LOTRO.
Such a simple, right ?

[Lacan2]

wlcina wrote...

Arcadionn wrote...

Thats the thing... You try to persuade us of your opinions... whilst in the meantime you have over 20 individuals telling you the exact opposite. Yet you maintain YOUR definition of RPG to be accurate and ours not? NWN and this game are oh! so similar - the alterations made were not all positive, however, to call this game average is so far from the truth. You merely expose how your personnal expections and preconceptions were not met... quite simple, really.

If you do not want your opinions to be "besmirched" as such... stop responding that you are right and the rest are wrong in-lieu of accepting you may be one of the only to feel as such... I oh-so despite people that use older games with years of patches and improvements to vindicate their hate for a game that is not the same as the one they love with better graphics and that makes you coffee and brings you your slippers in the morning... it is NOT NWN... deal with it or move on.

Actually let me be childish here a moment:

NWN was not a good game... I wish it were more like DA:O...

Your wrong  
I said thing I didnt like in the game, and then horde of 20 trolls appears and bashing to me that game is great A+
No, its not, and its not a RPG. RPG game follows complex rules. This game doesnt follow rules, (not like BG or NWN follows the D&D rules, not like Drakensang follows Das Schwarze Auge rules, as whole series ROA did) If you call this game RPG, then you call RPG any game, even the Dynablaster, there you also upgrading your stats, (speed, multiple bombs)

I agree that DA has RPG elements. but very simplified. I do not like it. You do, because you dont wana see more than 5 stats. Why ? I dont know, maybe you do like simple games, maybe you dont have time for real rpg epic sagas. So play it. Its designed for masses. You know it ? And thats why is it simple. PPL dont want to use their brain when playing games, they want to go through the game like knife through the butter. If they stucks then they are whining. RPG games in last few years are very simplified I know it. I thought that DA will be something special. No. Just average simple rpg (i am calling hack n slash) for masses. No brain needed. So be it. You playing it and enjoying it. Me not.

PC RPG gamer here. I've played it all: all Troika, Masquerade, all Bioware, all Gothic/Risen, PST, all Fallout, Elder Scrolls, etc. 

This is an RPG. The ruleset is definitely more simple than say D&D, but definitely more complex than Gothic or Elder Scrolls. Venturing with a party, bantering, having relationships/disagreements, a complex story with choices, etc. are definitely role-playing aspects.

I mean, you can keep disagreeing about the nature of this game, but it's not going to make a difference. You might as well begin arguing that Doom isn't a shooter.

[Arcadionn]

wlcina wrote...

Arcadionn wrote...

Thats the thing... You try to persuade us of your opinions... whilst in the meantime you have over 20 individuals telling you the exact opposite. Yet you maintain YOUR definition of RPG to be accurate and ours not? NWN and this game are oh! so similar - the alterations made were not all positive, however, to call this game average is so far from the truth. You merely expose how your personnal expections and preconceptions were not met... quite simple, really.

If you do not want your opinions to be "besmirched" as such... stop responding that you are right and the rest are wrong in-lieu of accepting you may be one of the only to feel as such... I oh-so despite people that use older games with years of patches and improvements to vindicate their hate for a game that is not the same as the one they love with better graphics and that makes you coffee and brings you your slippers in the morning... it is NOT NWN... deal with it or move on.

Actually let me be childish here a moment:

NWN was not a good game... I wish it were more like DA:O...

Your wrong  
I said thing I didnt like in the game, and then horde of 20 trolls appears and bashing to me that game is great A+
No, its not, and its not a RPG. RPG game follows complex rules. This game doesnt follow rules, (not like BG or NWN follows the D&D rules, not like Drakensang follows Das Schwarze Auge rules, as whole series ROA did) If you call this game RPG, then you call RPG any game, even the Dynablaster, there you also upgrading your stats, (speed, multiple bombs)

I agree that DA has RPG elements. but very simplified. I do not like it. You do, because you dont wana see more than 5 stats. Why ? I dont know, maybe you do like simple games, maybe you dont have time for real rpg epic sagas. So play it. Its designed for masses. You know it ? And thats why is it simple. PPL dont want to use their brain when playing games, they want to go through the game like knife through the butter. If they stucks then they are whining. RPG games in last few years are very simplified I know it. I thought that DA will be something special. No. Just average simple rpg (i am calling hack n slash) for masses. No brain needed. So be it. You playing it and enjoying it. Me not.

The game is not perfect, I never even pretended that, not perfect =/= average. To be honest I do not even see the point to argue since your opinions are your own..

On Gaming Simplicity, I play X3:Terran Conflict, likely one of the most complex games ever designed (Disclaimer; I said "one of the") so I can handle a challenge. This is not the problem... consider it is made for a wider spectrum of players than NWN. Bio wants a good game that sells to not only PC games but other platforms... take in the amount of money it takes to make a game for 360 and PS3 and you will likely observe that from a business (because yeah... Bioware is a company) point of view, the compromise is far from a game killer... would NWN work on a console? I highly doubt it... this is what you omit to think about.

No brain needed?  It still asks you to think about what you spec into, group composition, macro creation, and most of the standard mathematical action/reaction you find in a rpg ... Not resting upon D&D or other pre-made rules far from disqualifies it as a Role-Playing Game either. D&D did not invent math just so you know... Of course the aforementionned statements are less factual with an easy difficulty playthrough, but try hard mode... I can assure you, strategic planning and potions/buffs are not only useful, but essential.

I am out, I find your perspective biased, but it remains your own.

Cheers.

Lacan2 wrote...You might as well begin arguing that Doom isn't a shooter.

Well played.

Modifié par Arcadionn, 06 novembre 2009 - 08:10 .

[Veracruz]

wlcina wrote...

I think all negative review is constructive,

Pure BS. The only constructive reviews are those (be them positive or negative) that are done from the respect (to the authors mainly and also to those who disagree), objective (as much as possible considering that, except in a few concrete cases, they will be just opinions/perceptions about the product) and elaborated with proper examples that help developers to "digest" the feedback. And done by people who would be able to change their mind if proved wrong (aka no zealots).

I don't consider a deleted thread of an insulting troll to be censorship but cleaning of garbage. And I have never seen a thread with negative feedback to be deleted when it was truly well done with respect and useful information, be it here or in any other forum I have visited. Ok, maybe some about Starforce in some forums...

[wlcina]

Lacan2 wrote...
PC RPG gamer here. I've played it all: all Troika, Masquerade, all Bioware, all Gothic/Risen, PST, all Fallout, Elder Scrolls, etc. 
This is an RPG. The ruleset is definitely more simple than say D&D, but definitely more complex than Gothic or Elder Scrolls. Venturing with a party, bantering, having relationships/disagreements, a complex story with choices, etc. are definitely role-playing aspects.
I mean, you can keep disagreeing about the nature of this game, but it's not going to make a difference. You might as well begin arguing that Doom isn't a shooter.

Based on your words : You dont see difference between cat and dog. They both have 4 legs, tail. fur. 2 eyes. 

I am still saying, this is not RPG game, and practically of games you said except the fallout 1 and 2 are not rpg. gothic, ES and F3 are hack n slash, you dont know ?

If you need list rpg games, browse backward in this discussion.

[Grind Axis]

Keep fighting the good fight, OP.