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BiancoAngelo7

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Let me start by saying I love this game and appreciate the fact they added New game + when first they thought not to.

Having said that, I was incredibly dissapointed and confused when I started new game plus on my soldier only to find that the only thing that carries over are a small sum of credits and resources and the powers ive gained.

WHY oh WHY would they make us research every single upgrade again??? I can totally understand the ship upgrades as those impact the story, but whats the thinking behind making us scan and pick up every upgrade available every time we go new game plus?? I dont know about everyone else, but my fun for ME1 new game plus was being able to have ultimate gear and badassery right off the bat so I could focus on gameplay and story instead of scanning, hacking and bypassing my way to every upgrade in the game. Not to mention that the satisfaction of having found all the upgrades means nothing when I have to worry every playthrough about not finding some of them.

This seems like really poor long term consideration to me, it really seems like it would have benefitted from carrying over upgrades (except ship upgrades) so that on new game plus you could relax or find those ugrades you missed the first time around.

I don't think its such a strange approach to consider is it?

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RighteousRage

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"Well go play another game then"

"My opinion differs so you're wrong"

5, 4, 3, 2...

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It probably has to do with the fact that they didn't intend to even have New Game Plus in ME2. They included it at the last minute because the fans were demanding it. So I guess they couldn't give it the full treatment it deserved.



One question since I haven't actually finished my initial play through, in New Game Plus can you choose to change your class and try out a new one? Or do you need to play the exact same class as your original play through?

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Yeah I thought this was an unnecessary hassle for players.

Ideally all upgrades should carry over except the ship and personal squad upgrades like Grunt's shotgun, and not just for new game plus but also other character files as well. Is there anybody who wants to keep planet scanning for resources again and again wasting hours?

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Scylene wrote...

One question since I haven't actually finished my initial play through, in New Game Plus can you choose to change your class and try out a new one? Or do you need to play the exact same class as your original play through?


same class.
1 extra Power from your Teammates to choose from
50k of every Resource

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BiancoAngelo7

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Is there any way we can politely ask the Devs for a possible patch to fix this? I loved everything about the game, even the scanning and what not, but redoing it everytime on the same character to go look for all the upgrades and maybe miss some I think is a bit much.

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Scylene wrote...

It probably has to do with the fact that they didn't intend to even have New Game Plus in ME2. They included it at the last minute because the fans were demanding it. So I guess they couldn't give it the full treatment it deserved.

One question since I haven't actually finished my initial play through, in New Game Plus can you choose to change your class and try out a new one? Or do you need to play the exact same class as your original play through?


You can't change anything.

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ProfessorIncante wrote...

Scylene wrote...

One question since I haven't actually finished my initial play through, in New Game Plus can you choose to change your class and try out a new one? Or do you need to play the exact same class as your original play through?


same class.
1 extra Power from your Teammates to choose from
50k of every Resource


The extra power is the same as using the advanced training feature, meaning that it replaces one of your existing powers, instead of adding another power, I think. Or at least, I seem to think that I added Geth Shield at the beginning but lost concussive blast...

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Scylene

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tmelange wrote...

ProfessorIncante wrote...

Scylene wrote...

One question since I haven't actually finished my initial play through, in New Game Plus can you choose to change your class and try out a new one? Or do you need to play the exact same class as your original play through?


same class.
1 extra Power from your Teammates to choose from
50k of every Resource


The extra power is the same as using the advanced training feature, meaning that it replaces one of your existing powers, instead of adding another power, I think. Or at least, I seem to think that I added Geth Shield at the beginning but lost concussive blast...


Boo, that kind of sucks.  Guess I'll just start new characters for any new class I want to try out.

So the extra power you get at the beginning would negate the bonus power you usually get later in the game right?  So you just get the bonus power right off the bat or do you actually end up with 2 bonus powers?

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BiancoAngelo7

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Scylene wrote...

tmelange wrote...

ProfessorIncante wrote...

Scylene wrote...

One question since I haven't actually finished my initial play through, in New Game Plus can you choose to change your class and try out a new one? Or do you need to play the exact same class as your original play through?


same class.
1 extra Power from your Teammates to choose from
50k of every Resource


The extra power is the same as using the advanced training feature, meaning that it replaces one of your existing powers, instead of adding another power, I think. Or at least, I seem to think that I added Geth Shield at the beginning but lost concussive blast...


Boo, that kind of sucks.  Guess I'll just start new characters for any new class I want to try out.

So the extra power you get at the beginning would negate the bonus power you usually get later in the game right?  So you just get the bonus power right off the bat or do you actually end up with 2 bonus powers?


no just one bonus power, u only have the option to choose what it is at the beginning instead of waiting until you rerecruit that team mate and unlock their loyalty.

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I agree it is very irritating that you have to do all the resource gathering again for new game plus. However, I can live with that. What completely breaks new game plus for me is that you get no paragon/renegade bonus at all. When I import a character from ME1, I get a huge alignment boost. But when I do new game + I'm starting from 0. That and I actually have more resources when importing a ME1 game then I get from importing a ME2 game. This makes new game + pointless to me because I'm better off with the extra alignment bonus since that can affect the story.

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I guess it's because you can't seperate ship upgrades from gun upgrades. This is all research and ship upgrades are plot related. By forcing player to reresearch upgrades, one can check other plot outcome at the end of the game in NG+. This is IMO a good thing. Other thing is that starting with all upgrades would break difficulty scaling. You'd be seriously overpowered from the start.

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cmj15 wrote...

I agree it is very irritating that you have to do all the resource gathering again for new game plus. However, I can live with that. What completely breaks new game plus for me is that you get no paragon/renegade bonus at all. When I import a character from ME1, I get a huge alignment boost. But when I do new game + I'm starting from 0. That and I actually have more resources when importing a ME1 game then I get from importing a ME2 game. This makes new game + pointless to me because I'm better off with the extra alignment bonus since that can affect the story.


This. Having no Paragon/Renegade points taken over is bad.

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What about imported paragon/renegade points, they take does away too.

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Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

I guess it's because you can't seperate ship upgrades from gun upgrades. This is all research and ship upgrades are plot related. By forcing player to reresearch upgrades, one can check other plot outcome at the end of the game in NG+. This is IMO a good thing. Other thing is that starting with all upgrades would break difficulty scaling. You'd be seriously overpowered from the start.


This is incorrect. The hardest thing in game is new game+ on insanity. Everything is scaled to your level but you have none of the upgrades you would normally have at that level.

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do you have to download new game plus