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They put alot of effort of making his character for us. I don't think they would discard his like that.



I read alot of people calling Thane emo. That's not right. He isn't. He does become one when you fail his loyalty mission but if you succeed, he is more driven to live for his son and Femshepard.



And people keep saying he talks about his dead wife too much *facepalm* He does not. He only explains what happens to her and his regret in abandoming because of his job.



When FemShep romances him, he doesn't even compare her to his wife which people keep saying he does.




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I hope he is not just a cameo. I believe Thane would stay at Shepard's side (romanced or not). I mean lover or pal, Shepard did help him with his son and gave him a reason to live. I think Thane would stand by his or her side.

Oh yeah, people don't seem to get that Thane's loyalty mission proves that Kolyat is not like his father and can't be an assassin or killer(Just watch his reaction when Shepard kills Talid in front of him and hw he took the not-so-lethal bullet to the shoulder. Nope, this isn't what Kolyat should be doing,) People who kept saying that. *shakes head*


I'm, for the time being, quite optimistic that devs won't really risk such a thing by reducing Thane's role in M3 to a simple cameo. Still...one can never know, at least not yet. Bit furstrating to wait  for a year or more before we finally get some ME3 news and finding out who did Bioware decide to bring back and who not.  Wonder what's dwelling in their little "evil" minds Image IPB . 
I only hope they'll really think through about who should be back as an active squad member and who should be helping Shep from behind the scenes.  But yeah, i really, REALLY, hope Thane will be back. Though a little pessimist in me is whispering that with Mr. L'Etoile gone...nah, i should stay optimistic.  It's good to always show some support to the character, especialy if devs are considering to bring back those who were most popular among fans, but with a huge fan group at NSAS, i guess it's not difficult to see that Thane has many fans.

Hehe, yeah it's rather entertaining to read comments where some consider that Thane must die, and Kolyat should join the crew. Ouch and a big Sten like NO. He's just a kid and a really unexperianced one, him being a killer. Not so much, he better stick with ponies and rainbows and such. He's cool and would like to see him in ME3, as a part of some mission or so, even seeing him becoming C-sec officer. But more than that, just no.
Yup people who say Kolyat should be in the squad, or that Thane needs to die....no cookie for you.

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XDD Yes! No cookie.



Yeah, it would be nice to see Koylat maybe as a C-Sec Officer. It would be a good cameo. But if you do, I wonder if he will hold a grudge on you for either punching or shooting him? XDDD




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I'm in the "must die" camp and my desire for him to be recruitable is highly conditional on ME3 taking place within 8-12 months of ME2. They set up the plot point. I want them to follow through, and it would be hard (not impossible, mind) for a cure to be anything other than a deux ex machina.

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TheSweetGirl wrote...

They put alot of effort of making his character for us. I don't think they would discard his like that.
I read alot of people calling Thane emo. That's not right. He isn't. He does become one when you fail his loyalty mission but if you succeed, he is more driven to live for his son and Femshepard.
And people keep saying he talks about his dead wife too much *facepalm* He does not. He only explains what happens to her and his regret in abandoming because of his job.
When FemShep romances him, he doesn't even compare her to his wife which people keep saying he does.


They did put a lot of effort in him. I'm conviencing myself that having Thane as a romance option from the very beginning has something to do with continuation of his story and his role in ME3. Wishful thinking i suppose but, oh boy i hope i'm right.
Those who say he's emo apparently didn't really bother seeing past the superficial way his words and behaviour may appear . They just simply didn't see the depth his character possess. Guess it has something to do with his philosophical view of things which translate in his behaviour, as well as in his sentances.  He is just collected and thoughtful, mature if you prefer.  Also i would like to add that, in my opinion, most of those who declared him emo are younger males...but like i said that's just how i think, it's not necessarily true as well.

The part with his wife. Personaly i wasn't put off. I did headdesk myself a couple of times when the whole story with him, his dead wife and a son was released..but i went pass that. To me, him talking about his wife seems just an act of honesty. Now, don't know if anyone noticed, but if you're playing femShep, i understood, or viewed this particular scene as if Thane didn't really find it easy to talk about having a family and Irikah with Shep. His line " now that you're here though...it's more difficult to talk about", seems to indicate that very well. Depends also how you view the sentance but to me it really seemed like he either didn't trust Shep yet ( which is not really believable if you already had three conversations with him prior his loyalty mission ), or as i already wrote, thought that talking about his family and his wife wouldn't be such a good idea. Don't think people would easily go telling someone, they started to like, about their dead wife and son and so on. So after his loyalty mission was done, i percieve it as him being honest, and simply finishing the story he started. Much better decision from his side, if i remind myself that Shep didn't say a word about Kaidan to Thane ( if your Shep romanced him ). Well not yet i suppose.

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jtav wrote...

I'm in the "must die" camp and my desire for him to be recruitable is highly conditional on ME3 taking place within 8-12 months of ME2. They set up the plot point. I want them to follow through, and it would be hard (not impossible, mind) for a cure to be anything other than a deux ex machina.


I'm all for it, truly. I wouldn't like some sort of magical cure myself as well, it would obviously indicate on a poor story telling from Bioware's part, which is a no-go in my book. But if they somehow connect the disease with a story plot, resulting in a "choice" to get the cure or not, i'll be more then pleased.  Emphasis on the choice word. There's a lot of potential to use this disease when introducing us the hanar culture. Maybe they're not as innocent as they seemImage IPB But yeah, if Thane is doomed to die in  ME3 and Bioware exectues that well, i'm okay with it, even though i would wish that wouldn't be the case and i would be given a choice either to save him or not.

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I don't think ME3 will be too far away from ME2.....only maybe a couple months since Reapers were coming right away.



So I think Thane will be alive and maybe we will be able to get a cure or not depends on player.

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As has been stated many times, he's not going to keel over dead in 8-12 months, he's going to reach a point where he won't be able to do his job (on his way to dying, but not dead yet!) - the idea behind Kepral's being that it's an infection that starts in the lungs and then slowly spreads. To me, this leaves a little bit of wiggle room. He acknowledges that the hanar are trying to genetically engineer a cure, but why focus on just a cure?

If you could isolate the bacteria and find some way to keep it from reproducing, that could stop it from spreading, or change how the bacteria reproduces, slowing its ability to spread or even what it does - either way, buying more time.

There's also the possibility of chemotherapy or gene therapy (the latter being relatively new). Surely, if 21st century humans are toying around with treatments for diseases and cancer on a genetic level, then nearly 200 years in the future, a race that's been space-worthy for hundreds of years must have a decent chance of figuring these things out.

Then again, they are jellyfish people. "Top Hanar Scientists" might be Thane's idea of a joke. Reading the wiki on Hanar, it doesn't look like they have much of an economy and research requires money, right? I have no idea how these things work in the hypothetical future! In any case, finding a cure, to me, doesn't seem too out there or magical given scientific options that already exist.  When asked about his illness, he says it is being attended to, making me really curious in what way it is being attended to.

As for conspiracy - unless the hanar plan on saving a new race to work as assassins for them, it is in in their best interests to find a cure for Kepral's as well.


I also wonder how the Hanar would feel knowing that the Protheans were turned into Collectors, given their religion.

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Hi guys. Thane is my favourite ME character and agree he should return in ME3. Bioware worked hard to design and bring Thane to us so it would be a shame for them to kill him off before the end of the trilogy.

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cindalkitty wrote...

There's also the possibility of chemotherapy or gene therapy (the latter being relatively new). Surely, if 21st century humans are toying around with treatments for diseases and cancer on a genetic level, then nearly 200 years in the future, a race that's been space-worthy for hundreds of years must have a decent chance of figuring these things out.


According to Retribution, we've cured cancer and eradicated diseases like emphysema.  And that's just the new kids on the block (humans), who knows what the Hanar could have cooking or what they could come up with if we got other races involved (Mordin and the Salarians, Chakwas and the Humans).  Heck, if we meet Kahlee Sanders in ME3 (which I think was strongly hinted at) we might even be able to get her involved.

(And when I read that part in the book that I was like, 'Thanecure yesplz?!')

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I think the illness was a low blow, and the way the fandom plays it up is a blight against the character. I think it would be absolutely stupid for Thane to die, and infinitely so at any point during ME3 (I won't even mention pre-ME3, because that's leaping into the realm of the *morbidly* stupid.)

Anyone who thinks -- should Thane die -- that we will be treated to a tear-jerking scene, or that his death will somehow matter... really? You actually think him dying will matter at all, or that the game will do it any justice? Really? Seriously?

Yeah, I guess Kaidan/Ashley's dramatic sacrifice on Virmire was played out so well and we were able to show the profound influence it had on Shep and... oh wait, no we weren't, it happened and we had two lines of dialog after-mission and then it's never brought up again. Oh, well, you do get a news report in ME2? And one line of interchangeable dialog with Miranda at the start of the game?

I guess losing team mates in the suicide mission is pretty tear-jerking, I mean we get individual cut scenes for them, and we get to talk about their loss after the mission is over, and express the affect they had on Shep -- wait, nope. They might as well have never existed.

Please. Him dying will be the most undramatic event ever. Besides, writing someone's death is easy, but writing someone's life is hard. I want to see some good writing; Thane was just starting his story by the end of ME2. A new chapter in his life and the life of his son, and Shepard. I guess some people think having the book yanked away from you and tossed in a bonfire while you're midway through reading it is OH SO ENGAGING, but I'm not one of them. It just pisses me off. :)

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Jenn_E_A wrote...

Thane says that the Hanar saved the Drell a century ago. In 100 years they couldn't come up with a cure for Kepral's


This is an interesting line, because the codex and Thane's dialog say two different things. Thane says it's been 100 years, but the codex says it's been six to eight hundred (IIRC), and that the drell have only integrated into galactic society within the last century or two.

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IccaRa wrote...

Jenn_E_A wrote...

Thane says that the Hanar saved the Drell a century ago. In 100 years they couldn't come up with a cure for Kepral's


This is an interesting line, because the codex and Thane's dialog say two different things. Thane says it's been 100 years, but the codex says it's been six to eight hundred (IIRC), and that the drell have only integrated into galactic society within the last century or two.


They really blew it with the Codex in this game. There are way to may contradictions to what characters say and what the codex says. Anyway I have a question "Why does everyone want Thane to die?" It's bad enough that they finally give Fem-Shep a romance option that most people enjoy, so why did they give him a disease that might not be cured?"

This makes me sad and I'm going to sit in the corner and cry and look into Thanes' sad eyes Image IPB

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IccaRa wrote...

I think the illness was a low blow, and the way the fandom plays it up is a blight against the character. I think it would be absolutely stupid for Thane to die, and infinitely so at any point during ME3 (I won't even mention pre-ME3, because that's leaping into the realm of the *morbidly* stupid.)

Anyone who thinks -- should Thane die -- that we will be treated to a tear-jerking scene, or that his death will somehow matter... really? You actually think him dying will matter at all, or that the game will do it any justice? Really? Seriously?

Yeah, I guess Kaidan/Ashley's dramatic sacrifice on Virmire was played out so well and we were able to show the profound influence it had on Shep and... oh wait, no we weren't, it happened and we had two lines of dialog after-mission and then it's never brought up again. Oh, well, you do get a news report in ME2? And one line of interchangeable dialog with Miranda at the start of the game?

I guess losing team mates in the suicide mission is pretty tear-jerking, I mean we get individual cut scenes for them, and we get to talk about their loss after the mission is over, and express the affect they had on Shep -- wait, nope. They might as well have never existed.

Please. Him dying will be the most undramatic event ever. Besides, writing someone's death is easy, but writing someone's life is hard. I want to see some good writing; Thane was just starting his story by the end of ME2. A new chapter in his life and the life of his son, and Shepard. I guess some people think having the book yanked away from you and tossed in a bonfire while you're midway through reading it is OH SO ENGAGING, but I'm not one of them. It just pisses me off. :)

You give me hope~ :happy:

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The codex says that drell are a part of the galactic community for two centuries, Thane says a century. But even if it is a century or two it doesn’t matter - cure should have been made long ago. I wouldn’t expect a cure so much if it were a rare kind of disease but since most of the drell suffer from it; I do. Since the hanar are so alien I think that the reasoning for what they are doing (to drell) or not doing (the cure) should be very abstract or have to do with their worshiping the proteins or both.

I do not know why some still insist that it is impossible to make that kind of cure in a universe where we have medigel, no cancer, genophage, Mordin:D, indoctrination, resurrection and don’t forget cryostasis. So Thane cannot die!

But the most absurd thing is like many suggest that he will die before me3. They cannot let just Thane die. In that case every LI should die. Why? Because Shepard is not a robot. You cannot expect her to act the same way if she lost someone she loves or if they are still with her. Look at what happen to Liara. She is on a revenge spree because of a drell she didn’t even like at first. And our Shepards should be like nothing happen and we have to get on with galaxy saving. It’s not very consistent is it? But I guess others are not looking from our point of view. In our games Thane has the second biggest role if not the biggest. But in their games he is just a squad mate so they see him as more expandable then we. But Bioware probably doesn’t. Well I hope so.

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It's funny how Mordin constantly gives excuses not to speak to you and one of which is curing Joker's condition. Why doesn't he try to cure Thane's? I think it would be great in ME3 if Mordin and the Hanar teamed up to cure Kepral's syndrome and the first person to recieve the cure is Thane. I think people need Thane to return as he was the only sane person (Tali, Garrus, Legion and Mordin excluded) in ME2.

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IccaRa wrote...

I think the illness was a low blow, and the way the fandom plays it up is a blight against the character. I think it would be absolutely stupid for Thane to die, and infinitely so at any point during ME3 (I won't even mention pre-ME3, because that's leaping into the realm of the *morbidly* stupid.)

Anyone who thinks -- should Thane die -- that we will be treated to a tear-jerking scene, or that his death will somehow matter... really? You actually think him dying will matter at all, or that the game will do it any justice? Really? Seriously?

Yeah, I guess Kaidan/Ashley's dramatic sacrifice on Virmire was played out so well and we were able to show the profound influence it had on Shep and... oh wait, no we weren't, it happened and we had two lines of dialog after-mission and then it's never brought up again. Oh, well, you do get a news report in ME2? And one line of interchangeable dialog with Miranda at the start of the game?

I guess losing team mates in the suicide mission is pretty tear-jerking, I mean we get individual cut scenes for them, and we get to talk about their loss after the mission is over, and express the affect they had on Shep -- wait, nope. They might as well have never existed.

Please. Him dying will be the most undramatic event ever. Besides, writing someone's death is easy, but writing someone's life is hard. I want to see some good writing; Thane was just starting his story by the end of ME2. A new chapter in his life and the life of his son, and Shepard. I guess some people think having the book yanked away from you and tossed in a bonfire while you're midway through reading it is OH SO ENGAGING, but I'm not one of them. It just pisses me off. :)


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I agree with you completely.  I'm all for Thane being alive in ME3, with a lovely addition to curing him ( either to prolong his life or well curing him completely  ) , it's what i would wish. Hopefuly the cure won't be simply appearing, as some sort of magical spell, it would just seem as if i really didn't have to try too much for the cure to be, voila, found..etc. But making me feel as if i really had to earn it, now that would be interesting.
As i mentioned in one of the eariler posts, i'm being bit pessimistic about his role in ME3, since his writer has "left the building", so to say.  Having someone else write Thane for ME3, can easily result in an "epic fail" if it's not done correctly and accordingly to how he was portrayed in ME2 ( his philosophical views, calm appearance..etc. )
After all, as you said, it's easy to write someone's death then life. I'll make a few double faceplams and officaly enter the state of nerdrage, if they write him off in one way or another. But eventualy i might just give up and come to terms with it. After sending some evil Jacob derps to Bioware headquarters....yup, oh and torches and pitchforks.....

I would like to see how his story - of life - goes, dammnit. * shakes fist *

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They really blew it with the Codex in this game. There are way to may contradictions to what characters say and what the codex says. Anyway I have a question "Why does everyone want Thane to die?" It's bad enough that they finally give Fem-Shep a romance option that most people enjoy, so why did they give him a disease that might not be cured?"
This makes me sad and I'm going to sit in the corner and cry and look into Thanes' sad eyes Image IPB


Because it's a heavy risk...and they don't see the prize. Guess that tells everything.
On a serious note, though. I have a friend who also likes Thane as a character but assumes that he will die in ME3. Can't really explain how much quarrel we were having over that few days ago, but i did find out that he, like most of the people  ( from what i understood while reading some of the comments ) believe his "dying state" is what defines him. That his illness makes him, be him. But honestly said, he doesn't talk much about his illness, in the game his illness and him being aware of it only translates in his actions, some of them at least. Seeking atonement, doing something good, joining Shepard... But i am positive that even without the illness he would still be doing the same, being same person as we see him in the game: calm, philosophical, polite, eloquent, romantic...
which i like the most about him, the whole assassin thing ... combined with traits that hardly seem to be "assassin" like.

Simply said, people who want him to die, either don't like him, either didn't bother to see the depth of the character, or even pay enough attention to notice that illness isn't the number 1 thing that defines him...or they just didn't romance him, thus they can't really be aware of that. Imo, at least.

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You have a great sense of humor Aello. I know a few people who think that his disease defines him but, for my particular Shepard who romances him he is her calm in the storm. Some people seem to feel that he sucks because, he left his son behind. I understand why he did that and I'm sure alot of you do to. I just like Thanes' character he is deep on so many levels and I enjoy listening to him talk...Oh yeah and them LIPS (Smexy)

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You have a great sense of humor Aello. I know a few people who think that his disease defines him but, for my particular Shepard who romances him he is her calm in the storm. Some people seem to feel that he sucks because, he left his son behind. I understand why he did that and I'm sure alot of you do to. I just like Thanes' character he is deep on so many levels and I enjoy listening to him talk...Oh yeah and them LIPS (Smexy)


I love the depth of his character. Like Mordin said, complex...i like complex characters where you need to put some effort in understanding them and sometimes reading, hearing their words between the lines. Probably this complexity that a lot of us like, seems to put off others. Some simply don't enjoy complex characters with so many layers in their personality. Not to mention that he's expressing himself in fairly philosophical way. Not many like that as well. Sometimes it's easier when a person is simply direct in the way they appear and express themselves, aka. Jacob ( which is well meh to me, just too plain, no challange ) It's quite the opposite with Thane.
Female gamers, girls, women...don't know which word is better to use, perhaps do find him attractive but were put off by his story about his wife and son, him being married. Silly to be put off by that, but we are all different individuals with different tastes and likes. Can't blame nor am i judging them for not liking him becasue of that, i simply don't understand why that bugs them so much about Thane. Still ...poor Jacob, he really needs a rainbow pony to cheer up a bit. While Thane is "cused" (blessed) with complexity, Jacob is cursed with almost disturbing amount of casual lines that seems to be coming from "weirdoland" from time to time, especialy if you decide to romance him.

P.S: Them thigs :) and dat zipper ( still moping becasue it looked so functional and ....there... yet had no function at all. It's like putting a candy in front of the kid, then taking it away as he's about to reach for it...  you devs are mean, yupImage IPB )

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It is the complexity of Thane's character that I too enjoy. I don't find the straight forward characters intriguing or interesting and it is boring getting to know them but with Thane it is interesting to discover his beliefs and what some things were like before his wife died eg. dance crazy.

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IccaRa always says the right things, it must feel like pissing in dark pants.  ;)

I'm right there with you guys, I love Thane because he is complex.  He's not easy to figure out, he's got layers, he's got history and frankly, that doesn't bother me one single bit.  I would be put off if he didn't have a previous relationship.  Having a wife and a son shows there's a real person underneath the assassin.  As much as some people would like Thane to be a block of ice, I find him more interesting, more compelling and more attractive that he's not.  I'm fascinated by his spirituality and I hope we see more / delve a bit further into it in ME3.  And I hope (pray) that we can see more of what's under 'dat zipper'!

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