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[Fiery Phoenix]

Epantiras wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...
Though Thane's reaction to keeping the base is really off. 

What's his reaction? I've always destroyed the base in my playthroughs. As far as I remember, he tells Shepard not to keep it.

"Siha, I've made a life of killing those who deserve to die. We must struggle to not become what we hate."

He's basically against keeping the base in every way. I was honestly intending to spare the base with my FemShep, but I changed my opinion right after Thane told me that. Just felt so compelled to do so. :innocent:

mashavasilec wrote...

 whole ME3 will be a giant facepalm.Shepard will just fly around the galaxy and command everything with the power of his/her mighty personality: 'you, give me an army! you there, give me ships! all the rest will cook food for me, Shepard the Great! Krios, captain's quarters for snuggles, NOW!'
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ahem..

Are you having trouble thinking straight again, Mash?

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 06 août 2010 - 07:05 .

[cindalkitty]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

"Siha, I've made a life of killing those who deserve to die. We must struggle to not become what we hate."

He's basically against keeping the base in every way.

Out of curiosity, I just replayed the suicide mission, opting to keep the base this time, and neither Thane nor Miranda said one word in oppositiion.  Thanks for the blind loyalty, guys!

When I talk to Thane on the ship after, he says: "I am disquieted, siha.  I trust you, but not the one you work for.  He is driven by wrath and fear.  I fear that all we've done is make him a giant."

I'd talk to Miranda, but Miranda didn't make it.  bwahahaha--err:whistle:

Ah well, she still gets snuggletiems and I got this screenie out of it!

D'awwwwwwwww


I'm not sure I agree about Shepard being Shepard the Great so much, with the power to command legions to her side at her whim.  Listening to galaxy news terminals while running around the Citadel and other places, you get to hear about how some people are happy she's back, and others are WTF about it.  In another news bulletin, it mentions about how Commander Shepard is running around with thugs, assassins, and other unsavory characters these days.  She gets mixed reactions everywhere - some people treat her like a legend, others like a celebrity, and others treat her like dirt (like Udina and the citadel Council).

It's not like anyone's going to celebrate the collector base destruction/salvage, because I don't think many people even knew it was as big of a threat as it was.  Collectors have always collected, afterall.  And other than humans, it seemed like most of the galaxy was content to blow it off as a human-only problem.

I think Shepard will need to be used to bring in some extra firepower (potentially the geth and/or rachni) and unite the galaxy by proving herself to various races, despite what she's been through and who she's worked for.  I also think a special group (read as: The Normandy) will need to go that extra step after a force has been united and cut off some sort of vital power source of the Reapers -- For instance, did we ever find out why that star Tali was interested in was dying as quickly as it was?  Maybe they're sucking the power from stars via some special machine or whatever, which has enabled their return.  Once that mission is accomplished, book it back to the heart of the battle and deliver the killing blow with whatever super special artifact or creepy super power they also managed to uncover while having their adventures.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 06 août 2010 - 07:49 .

[cindalkitty]

mashavasilec wrote...

i'm sure by the time ME3 starts Shepard will regain her 'i am the most kewl citizen of the Galaxy' aura. anyway, even convincing Tali to give Legion 'unclassified Flotilla data' looked pretty much like Shepard just brainwashed her with a single stare. And that's just one example. meh

*though i hope i'm wrong*

btw, cindalkitty, how did you manage to get Thane to catch you? that jerk always runs straight into the ship in my games

FemShep/Tali romance for ME3.  C'mon.  She wants to link suits.  That's pretty special.  Special enough to turn data over to the geth.

And I got Thane to catch that Shepard because I took a non-loyal Miranda with me to the final fight to see if that might save her ass this time, but she got turned into a perfectly engineered pancake in the aftermath anyway.   A noble sacrifice so Thane/Shep could have some alone time.  /salute

[Gilsa]

I am curious about the Thane catching part, too. I wasn't able to get it on my Thane LI playthrough.

Edit: Posted at the same time. You just answered the question. Thanks! Huh. I might kill off a character next time all in the name of love!

Modifié par Gilsa, 06 août 2010 - 08:24 .

[TheSweetGirl]

Awwwwwwww at the pic.



Thane distrusts the Illusive Man so he is glad when you destroyed the base.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Just to confirm the Thane catching part; me, Pacifien, and several others more or less "researched" this a month ago. Turns out, the only way for Thane to catch you, is for the third squadmate to die, which can only happen if that squadmate is not loyal.

There is no other way for Thane to catch Shepard. We literally tried all possible squad combinations but no luck.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 06 août 2010 - 08:41 .

[cindalkitty]

I didn't have a whole lot of choice.  That particular Shepard was half and half in her morality, so when Jack and Miranda got into their girlfight after I completed the second of those two loyalty mission, I didn't have enough points in either paragon or renegade to keep them both.  I picked Jack.

I noticed, when I talked to Miranda after, that I had greyed-out paragon/renegade conversation options, but I just never got enough of either before getting the Reaper IFF to see if those convos would have fixed things with her.  On my first playthrough of the suicide mission, I was careful not to assign Miranda to anything.  In the end, I just saw a quick clip of black latex legs on the ground and collectors running past.  On another test run-through after, **** got Thane killed by a seeker swarm.

I still haven't forgiven her!

[TheSweetGirl]

I can never get anybody killed in the suicide mission. I'm such a softie. Just look at my username XDDD



Anyway, back to the What if scenario, I agree that Thane might try to take her place maybe saying: The world needs someone like you, Siha.



But the Paragon might go and persuade him not to or the Renegade option can be like: I'm sorry, Thane *Knocks out*



Ouch!

[cindalkitty]

Is this the part where I rejoice in the fact that I don't really bother with other threads?

[TheSweetGirl]

Hey, I looked at the Mass Effect wikia.



It said Thane makes a comment about feeling uncomfortable in the mess hall? Always having his back towards the wall.



If he says that, where does he say that?

[kaimanaMM]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

Hey, I looked at the Mass Effect wikia.

It said Thane makes a comment about feeling uncomfortable in the mess hall? Always having his back towards the wall.

If he says that, where does he say that?

I don't remember exactly if I've heard him say that, I want to say I have, but I could be 100% wrong, so take what I say with a grain of salt.  In my Garrus-romance playthrough I told Thane to get out and mingle a bit with the rest of the crew and I think that line was his response.  

EDIT: I think it was the conversation during or after I told him that he had his son to think about, which turns off the romance.

I always thought it was strange ... an assassin I'd think would never ever have their back to a doorway yet ... Thane sits in Life Support with his back to the doorway.  

Hmm, maybe it's his way of letting Shep catch a good look at his neck stripes.

Mmmm ... neck stripes.

But speaking of great lines : 

"I've never been part of a team.  Assassins tend to be solitary.  I'm learning the virtues of facing death with others at your side."

"I've been introspective since I've come on board.  That needs to change."

"Pride is the line between a professional and a thug."

"I will watch over you."

"You have many burdens, siha.  Remember that I'll help you carry them."

"Just don't make the mistake I did.  There's always another mission.  None of them are an excuse to make yourself an island."

Modifié par kaimanaMM, 07 août 2010 - 01:53 .

[TheSweetGirl]

Ooooooo! Thane has such great lines!  I never heard the last one before. Man! I need to explore. XDDD

"I look forward to the memories." I love that line!

Modifié par TheSweetGirl, 07 août 2010 - 02:21 .

[kaimanaMM]

Hainkpe wrote...

When you look in life support, how Thane is sitting, his back is to the wall, in front of his cot. He is also facing a window which means, due to the light on the left side of the door as you enter the life support plant, he would get a very good reflection of anyone entering the room. In a few of the dialogues, he doesn't turn toward Shepard, I assumed it was becuase he was watching her in the window.

Layout of a room is important, even in todays society certain jobs require layouts of a room that act as safety and strategy for the person occupying the room.

That makes sense, I don't know why I haven't thought of it that way.  He'd be able to see anyone coming in the door reflected in the window and would be able to react while the other person coming in the door would be expecting him not to react and could be taken by surprise.

I think I underestimated the sneakiness!

I did notice when he didn't turn towards Shepard at times.  To me, his body language speaks volumes.  Through the whole romance / dialogue with him, he and Shepard start out distant from eachother.  Yet, as the conversations progress, they end up standing next to eachother at the weapons locker, then sitting across from eachother at the table, then finally holding hands.

[TheSweetGirl]

Whoa! I didn't realize how safe and sneaky Thane can be in that room. That is awesome!



When I played Thane's recruitment, I love how dark the enviroment is but when you get to the top and the sun is shining on Thane and Shepard.



I like to think when you are making your way up and it's all dark like because of the workers getting killed but also that you are trailing an assassin (You get alittle prejudice. Thinking he is this malice character.)



Then you get to the top, the sun is lighting the room( This could be symbolizing the fact that Shepard saved Thane in a way or there is some hope inside Thane despite the darkness that surrounds him.) I love analyzing levels! XDDD



Who else loves the way the sun is behind Thane when he is praying? Beautiful picture!

[Fiery Phoenix]

Speaking of Thane preferring to keep his back against the wall, it is because he believes it to be the most reliable way to protect himself from harm from the back. In fact, if Thane dies en-route to the Collector base during the suicide mission, you can see him leaning against the wall, but something truly unexpected happens.

Do NOT watch if you're a softie! 

[TheSweetGirl]

Thane likes to take out his targets up close and personal, right?



Did he do that after his wife died?



Because when he is remembering Irikah, it seemed he was far away and was about to kill his target like any old assassin.



Interesting.

[IccaRa]

The only way Thane (or any of the 'paragon' characters) will speak up during the CB decision is if Shep chooses the first renegade option (thus hinting that Shepard is considering it.)

[Fiery Phoenix]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

Thane likes to take out his targets up close and personal, right?

Did he do that after his wife died?

Because when he is remembering Irikah, it seemed he was far away and was about to kill his target like any old assassin.

Interesting.

Originally, Thane prefers to take out his targets nice, clean and quick. But that apparently wasn't how he handled Irikah's murderers. He claims to have taken extra with each and everyone of them.