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[General Ashous]

I tell you what I find interesting. The fact that he is a brilliant marksman with a sniper rifle and yet his description says he prefers to use a pistol and kill his targets up close and personal. Bioware why must you confuse us so?

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

Just_mike wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

Where is the Thane that killed an entire room full of armed mercenaries with 3 pistol rounds and his fists? T___T

You mean this?

He is the Da Vinci of killing! He was made out to be this sophisticated killing machine. Where was this when I was playing the game?!

Now you know how Samara's fan base feels.

[TheSweetGirl]

They make Thane like an ordinary biotic but he is an assassin. I agree what you guys are saying especially Kasumi's move.



I wish they had this move where Thane sneaks around and gets in behind a specific enemy and snaps their neck XDD

[kaimanaMM]

I love Kasumi, I do.  I do think her Shadow Strike ability should have been Thane's special ability.  

I can't say I've ever even used Shredder Ammo but I do know it's useful here and there, but really.  Shredder Ammo? For an assassin who drops from vents and snaps necks all up close and personal like?  The sniper rifle I can understand, and I do like the thought of Thane with a sniper rifle, the unseen killer, but Thane with a pistol and the ability to biotic falcon punch?

DO WANT.

The mark idea is actually pretty cool.  The ability to mark up to three targets in rapid succession and fire a precise shot at each significantly denting their hp.  That'd be a great idea for SniperThane.

[TheSweetGirl]

I don't use Shedder ammo because well, I never seen how effective it can be. Everytime I tell him to use it, nothing happens.



It would be really sweet if you can Zoom on Thane as he performs a sneaky ability like Kasumi's It would sweet t see it go all slo-mo as Thane takes down the enemy. Sweeeeet.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Kasumi's Shadow Strike is by far my favorite character-specific power.

[TheSweetGirl]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Kasumi's Shadow Strike is by far my favorite character-specific power.

Ditto *Thumbs up*

I just wanted to bring up something funny. If you accidentally fire on Thane, he goes, "That's me, Shepard."

Or is it "It is me, Shepard."

Makes me laugh when he says it.

[cindalkitty]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

It would be really sweet if you can Zoom on Thane as he performs a sneaky ability like Kasumi's It would sweet t see it go all slo-mo as Thane takes down the enemy. Sweeeeet.

oooh like killing blow slo-mo animations from Dragon Age...


I think Shredder ammo suits him well enough.  Once shield and armor are down, they're dead.  And on normal mobs, as long as it's not mechs, it's damn nice.  The first time I went up against Wasea, he killed her by himself.  I was busy trying to avoid the toxic canisters.  I just remember killing henchman after henchman, wondering where the hell my squadmates and Wasea were.  Garrus was bugged behind some crates nearby and Thane was on the other side of the room finishing off Wasea.  Regardless of what they actually ended up giving him as skills, he definitely gets the job done in a totally different sort of badass way, and I'm okay with that.



good afternoon, people!<3

[TheSweetGirl]

Good afternoon!

I bet it took him by surprise that someone would love him and he tried his best to keep them safe. Maybe trying to make up for not being there.

I think that's what made Irikah's death much more painful. He was always away and the fact that thorugh his failure for protecting her, he failed to be there for her. To tell her he loved her   Crap, it makes it more tragic. Poor Thane.

I have been thinking about Irikah. I bet you Kolyat acts more like her. I can see her being the opposite of Thane. I mean she was ready to take a bullet for a person she never knew. It shows maybe alittle bit reckless?  Or we can also interpet that she is just the person who likes to save people. I don't know but it is interesting to speculate.

Quoted my post XDDDDDD

I just wanted to see what you guys thought about Irikah. What is your view of her?

[cindalkitty]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

Good afternoon!

I bet it took him by surprise that someone would love him and he tried his best to keep them safe. Maybe trying to make up for not being there.

I think that's what made Irikah's death much more painful. He was always away and the fact that thorugh his failure for protecting her, he failed to be there for her. To tell her he loved her   Crap, it makes it more tragic. Poor Thane.

I have been thinking about Irikah. I bet you Kolyat acts more like her. I can see her being the opposite of Thane. I mean she was ready to take a bullet for a person she never knew. It shows maybe alittle bit reckless?  Or we can also interpet that she is just the person who likes to save people. I don't know but it is interesting to speculate.

Quoted my post XDDDDDD

I just wanted to see what you guys thought about Irikah. What is your view of her?

Honestly, I haven't thought of Irikah too much.   I assume, from her actions, that she was selflessly willing to protect a stranger, and was capable of forgiveness, and, eventually, love.  I think I don't really like to speculate what sort of character she was because I feel like I could never get it right.  I end up asking myself "if she was so great, why didn't Thane attempt to learn a new trade?"

What I have often wondered is what values and temperances she taught Kolyat.  It seems to me that, with their memories, if Kolyat was ever feeling scared or lonely or lost, he could just think back to what his mother had taught him and... I don't know... make better decisions.  Sure, maybe still resent his father, but to turn -untrained- to the path that caused him and his mother so much possible pain and loneliness?  I get the rebellious teen thing, or even the really abstract way of connecting to his father, but it's not like he's human.

Maybe the aunts and uncles who raised him ended up being a destructive influence.  I dunno!  

[TheSweetGirl]

I understand that. I just love speculating characters that we will never see and only hear. I just love analyzing. XDDDD I blame my English Teacher! XDD



I can't help but think about what she looks like and her character.



Yeah, Kolyat could have use his memories of her or maybe his emotions of anger and rage towards his father clouded his mind alittle. That could be a reason too.

[goofygoff]

I’ve seen people say that one of the reasons they can’t go through with Thane’s romance is the “abandonment” of his son. Sure, he could have stayed with Kolyat.   But having no other skills, he would’ve still been in the same line of work… and thus, always “away on business” and putting his son in danger of meeting the same fate as his mother.   I’m sure the decision weighed heavily on his mind, but in the end, he did what he thought was best for Kolyat. And IMO, it was the unselfish thing to do.
 
It’s not like he dumped him off on a relative’s doorstep, with a note attached that said, “The squirt is cramping my style. Krios out.”   Though the image of him saying this with the shades and earrings on is oozing with potential lulz.

[cindalkitty]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

I understand that. I just love speculating characters that we will never see and only hear. I just love analyzing. XDDDD I blame my English Teacher! XDD

Agreed~  My english teachers turned me into an all-persepctives nit-picking question-mongering back-opinions-up-with-specific-references freak.  But in the case of Irikah, I just don't have enough to go on to come to conclusions that would satisfy me... if that makes more sense than what I said before.  I can theorycraft, but that's not quite the same thing.  I lack sufficient resources to support the ideas with.  I can go off of what Thane values in Shepard, but even that's not terribly easy to pick apart from what he says.  For instance, I don't see my Shepard as a Tenacious Defender.  Definitely fierce in wrath, but even then, do I end up assuming Shepard and Irikah are supposed to share the same traits?  I'd hope not, just for the sake of being crazy about her for her own particular brand of exceptional badassery.  It makes me wish some sort of Herald of Kalihira was an option for comparison XD

Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of considering her a saint and a martyr, but it's hard to imagine her any other way with the particular way Thane imparts his memories of her. 

He says she was a vivid person.  And also clearly brave, and not in a selfless tragic damsel sort of way - her body was trembling with indignation and she was staring death down, even if she couldn't see it, chastising it with a "How dare you?"  So she's bold, too.  She showed him the world beyond his work.  Earning her forgiveness and her love sort of sounded like a slow process.

All of this makes me think she's the type who'd put her foot down and would be unafraid to voice her feelings on him constantly being away.  I have no doubt Thane would adore this about her, but it just doesn't seem like it'd be a happy marriage after a while.  I don't think he'd ever feel or think less of her, despite that, however.  I wonder what she felt.  I don't see succumbing to sadness and crying.  If she did, and he saw...  I dunno.  It just doesn't seem like it'd work. (edit: for clarity, "it" = a *happy* marriage)  But maybe that's what so magical about.

I also need to consider that all of this happened over about a 20 year span of time.  What we get to see is the result.  It takes time to earn a reputation like the galaxy's most skilled assassin.  Maybe Kolyat is who Thane would be if he hadn't had training.  Trying to meld the two into a younger not-perfeclty-put-together Thane makes me grin.


and now I eat lunch.

Modifié par cindalkitty, 10 août 2010 - 08:31 .

[kaimanaMM]

goofygoff wrote...

I’ve seen people say that one of the reasons they can’t go through with Thane’s romance is the “abandonment” of his son. Sure, he could have stayed with Kolyat.   But having no other skills, he would’ve still been in the same line of work… and thus, always “away on business” and putting his son in danger of meeting the same fate as his mother.   I’m sure the decision weighed heavily on his mind, but in the end, he did what he thought was best for Kolyat. And IMO, it was the unselfish thing to do.
 
It’s not like he dumped him off on a relative’s doorstep, with a note attached that said, “The squirt is cramping my style. Krios out.”   Though the image of him saying this with the shades and earrings on is oozing with potential lulz.

Werd to tha hanar, PEACE!

I agree with you, 100%.  I think he thought long and hard about it and was no doubt upset, but he did what he thought was best for Kolyat.  I'll have to go digging through my sound files, but even Thane says he didn't abandon Kolyat.   I don't see, 'I left him in the care of his aunts and uncles ...' as "This dadhood thing ain't my bag baby".  Especially in light of what had just happened (Irikah's murder) and what he was going to do (finding the Batarians that killed her and exacting his revenge).

After he'd done what he, personally, felt he needed to do, I think he saw / felt that Kolyat was safe and with relatives who cared for him, why alter that by imposing himself once again on the poor kid.  Especially since Kolyat could suffer the same fate as Irikah.

[TheSweetGirl]

cindalkitty wrote...

TheSweetGirl wrote...

I understand that. I just love speculating characters that we will never see and only hear. I just love analyzing. XDDDD I blame my English Teacher! XDD

Agreed~  My english teachers turned me into an all-persepctives nit-picking question-mongering back-opinions-up-with-specific-references freak.  But in the case of Irikah, I just don't have enough to go on to come to conclusions that would satisfy me... if that makes more sense than what I said before.  I can theorycraft, but that's not quite the same thing.  I lack sufficient resources to support the ideas with.  I can go off of what Thane values in Shepard, but even that's not terribly easy to pick apart from what he says.  For instance, I don't see my Shepard as a Tenacious Defender.  Definitely fierce in wrath, but even then, do I end up assuming Shepard and Irikah are supposed to share the same traits?  I'd hope not, just for the sake of being crazy about her for her own particular brand of exceptional badassery.  It makes me wish some sort of Herald of Kalihira was an option for comparison XD

Well, a tenacious protector I might been able to suggest that he called her this because she is the leader of her crew. She is responible for them and their safety besides the mission is her priority.

So she is techincally The Mother of the crew XDDDDDDD

Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of considering her a saint and a martyr, but it's hard to imagine her any other way with the particular way Thane imparts his memories of her. 

Yeah, Thane thinks of her as probably his savior in a way (His angel per se XD)  We vaguely only hear her from Thane's point of view.

He says she was a vivid person.  And also clearly brave, and not in a selfless tragic damsel sort of way - her body was trembling with indignation and she was staring death down, even if she couldn't see it, chastising it with a "How dare you?"  So she's bold, too.  She showed him the world beyond his work.  Earning her forgiveness and her love sort of sounded like a slow process.

All of this makes me think she's the type who'd put her foot down and would be unafraid to voice her feelings on him constantly being away.  I have no doubt Thane would adore this about her, but it just doesn't seem like it'd be a happy marriage after a while.  I don't think he'd ever feel or think less of her, despite that, however.  I wonder what she felt.  I don't see succumbing to sadness and crying.  If she did, and he saw...  I dunno.  It just doesn't seem like it'd work. (edit: for clarity, "it" = a *happy* marriage)  But maybe that's what so magical about.

I also need to consider that all of this happened over about a 20 year span of time.  What we get to see is the result.  It takes time to earn a reputation like the galaxy's most skilled assassin.  Maybe Kolyat is who Thane would be if he hadn't had training.  Trying to meld the two into a younger not-perfeclty-put-together Thane makes me grin.

I can see Irikah trying to tell him to find some other profession and Thane saying that this is all he knows. Probably arguments galore there. But I guess Irikah had to accept the fact that Thane wasn't going to change. She had to raise Kolyat by herself anyway.

As for the people who say he is selfish for leaving his son, he was trying to protect him and didn't want Kolyat to follow his path as an assassin. It's tragic but Thane thought that was his only choice and as Thane said if he hated him, so be it.

He didn't want Kolyat to become him.

[IccaRa]

Aye. I think Irikah burned hard and bright -- she was bold, a little reckless, with strong convictions, and one hell of a woman to catch. Thane had to follow her on his hands and knees before she forgave him, and even longer before she loved him. She was alive in every sense of the word -- hot blooded, passionate, fierce. I agree in that I think Kolyat has some of her traits, in that he's impulsive like she seemed to be.



I also think it was only a matter of time before their marriage continued to dissolve. They genuinely loved each other, but it didn't seem like a happy relationship after a while. Once it became apparent that Thane could do nothing else but continue his assassin work, Irikah started to grow weary of it, always making excuses for him, because she could never divulge what it was that he was REALLY up to -- both for her safety, and for Kolyat's.



But what else could Thane do? He knew nothing else. He tried his best to provide for them. Everything he did was for them, and it was with the best intentions, but it could never have been enough. Irikah couldn't follow him on his jobs. He could never be there for Kolyat like he really wanted to be. He was a casualty of the Compact.



I think if Irikah hadn't been killed, Kolyat still would've grown up to resent him for never being there. It never would have been a fully happy, functional family dynamic. Her being killed only accelerated the process and pushed Kolyat far, far away, and broke them up more violently than the quiet dissolution that was already underway.



Irikah deserved a better life, but they were in love, and it couldn't be helped. No matter how much Thane tried. The fact that he did try, and that everything he did was with the best intentions is what matters. He tried to atone. He did come back to see Kolyat, years later, but he said that Kolyat was "older" -- no doubt Thane felt disconnected from his son, and that riding in from the sunset after years of absence wouldn't be what his son needed. Perhaps he hoped Kolyat would be better off without him. Perhaps he was afraid of the cycle starting up again. Perhaps he was afraid, or all of these things.



This is one thing that Shepard has over Irikah in the romance department -- Shepard lives a dangerous life, and can follow Thane wherever he goes, and he her. Their lives are intimately connected in that way. Shep will never experience the same sort of abandonment that befell Irikah and Kolyat, and Kolyat is old enough now that -- after some healing -- he can take care of himself, and still maintain ties.



Still, it's sad that it had to happen that way. But the universe is full of mistakes despite the best of efforts.

[goofygoff]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

As for the people who say he is selfish for leaving his son, he was trying to protect him and didn't want Kolyat to follow his path as an assassin. It's tragic but Thane thought that was his only choice and as Thane said if he hated him, so be it.

He didn't want Kolyat to become him.

And this is another reason why his illness was an unnecessary part of his character arc.  Everything that went down on his LM could have easily been a direct result of the above.  He believed Kolyat was safe (both from people who would harm him, and following in Thane's footsteps), and when that clearly wasn't the case anymore, he had to finally intervene.

[cindalkitty]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

Well, a tenacious protector I might been able to suggest that he called her this because she is the leader of her crew. She is responible for them and their safety besides the mission is her priority.

So she is techincally The Mother of the crew XDDDDDDD

My Thane-romancing Shepard has the "Colonist" and "Ruthless"  background.  >.>
She uh... put the mission over her crew on Torfan and lost most of her squad for it.   The events leading into ME2 changed her a little, and Thane changes her a little, but overall she's a 50/50 morality girl who's more inclined to believe she's picked up trained professionals whom she can rely on to take care of themselves so that she doesn't have to play mother (which she failed at with Miranda >.>  R.I.P.)  She will have conversations with them, because she believes in knowing everyone whose life she's risking, and help them out with things that are out of their hands like <insert loyalty mission here>, but mostly accepts that she can't save them from circumstances beyond her control or their own derpiness.  She's also a biotic, so running infront of fire isn't the best idea most of the time.  Not my idea of a tenacious defender.  LOTS OF WRATH, THOUGH!  RARRR.

My other Shepard is a paragon soldier who'll eat bullets for her squadmates... because she can.  And everyone there lives in harmony harmony ohhhh love~~~

[TheSweetGirl]

cindalkitty wrote...

TheSweetGirl wrote...

Well, a tenacious protector I might been able to suggest that he called her this because she is the leader of her crew. She is responible for them and their safety besides the mission is her priority.

So she is techincally The Mother of the crew XDDDDDDD

My Thane-romancing Shepard has the "Colonist" and "Ruthless"  background.  >.>
She uh... put the mission over her crew on Torfan and lost most of her squad for it.   The events leading into ME2 changed her a little, and Thane changes her a little, but overall she's a 50/50 morality girl who's more inclined to believe she's picked up trained professionals whom she can rely on to take care of themselves so that she doesn't have to play mother (which she failed at with Miranda >.>  R.I.P.)  She will have conversations with them, because she believes in knowing everyone whose life she's risking, and help them out with things that are out of their hands like , but mostly accepts that she can't save them from circumstances beyond her control or their own derpiness.  She's also a biotic, so running infront of fire isn't the best idea most of the time.  Not my idea of a tenacious defender.  LOTS OF WRATH, THOUGH!  RARRR.

My other Shepard is a paragon soldier who'll eat bullets for her squadmates... because she can.  And everyone there lives in harmony harmony ohhhh love~~~

Well, I guess that Shepard is an exception. XDDDDDDD

Mine is Colonist/War hero. She will protect her crew and do anything for them XDDDDD

[kaimanaMM]

I believe Irikah was an amazing woman.  Obviously brave.  Caring.  Unselfish.  Willing to face down death from a distance for a total stranger.  And I believe Thane fell for her hook, line and sinker, probably at that very moment.  But I imagine it took a long time for Irikah to accept Thane's advances.  I do believe they genuinely loved eachother and that they both loved Kolyat very much.  But I also see their relationship as one doomed ultimately for an unhappy end.

All Thane knew how to do was his job and he's damn good at it.  Which was a problem.  He would always get another assignment, another assassination.   Maybe Irikah was able to eventually accept who and what Thane was, but at the same time constantly covering for him and worrying about his safety can put a strain on even the strongest person.  And once Kolyat came along Thane was still never there, for her or their son, despite doing the best he could the only way he knew how.

I can see Irikah and Thane arguing more and more as the years went on, Thane trying to be there for them, but eventually leaving again as he would be called to do another assassination.  I'm sure he went through his own lonely nights, hurting from the latest argument and worried over the safety of his wife and son.  When Irikah was killed, I think it was just a very violent, early end to their marriage instead of the slowly crumbling end that was already taking place.  

Kolyat, I think, would still resent Thane even if Irikah hadn't been killed.  Thane was never there and Kolyat saw his mother's unhappiness firsthand while growing up.  Even if she had lived, Kolyat would probably carry that around for a long time, that's a hard thing to watch and experience.  I think, as things stand now, with Thane reuniting with Kolyat, it'll take time, but eventually the two of them will come to some  kind of understanding and acceptance of eachother.

EDIT: I'ma eat some mac n' cheese and just let it go.

Modifié par kaimanaMM, 10 août 2010 - 10:50 .

[cihimi]

TheSweetGirl wrote...
...I wish they had this move where Thane sneaks around and gets in behind a specific enemy and snaps their neck XDD

Is this before or after the organic reproduction cycle?

[TheSweetGirl]

Hainkpe wrote...

A lot of seriousness going on in this thread....

I know what this thread needs...

PUPPY EYES!!

Awwwww Thane  Who can resist those eyes?


More silliness!

[Fiery Phoenix]

kaimanaMM wrote...

I believe Irikah was an amazing woman.  Obviously brave.  Caring.  Unselfish.  Willing to face down death from a distance for a total stranger.  And I believe Thane fell for her hook, line and sinker, probably at that very moment.  But I imagine it took a long time for Irikah to accept Thane's advances.  I do believe they genuinely loved eachother and that they both loved Kolyat very much.  But I also see their relationship as one doomed ultimately for an unhappy end.

All Thane knew how to do was his job and he's damn good at it.  Which was a problem.  He would always get another assignment, another assassination.   Maybe Irikah was able to eventually accept who and what Thane was, but at the same time constantly covering for him and worrying about his safety can put a strain on even the strongest person.  And once Kolyat came along Thane was still never there, for her or their son, despite doing the best he could the only way he knew how.

I can see Irikah and Thane arguing more and more as the years went on, Thane trying to be there for them, but eventually leaving again as he would be called to do another assassination.  I'm sure he went through his own lonely nights, hurting from the latest argument and worried over the safety of his wife and son.  When Irikah was killed, I think it was just a very violent, early end to their marriage instead of the slowly crumbling end that was already taking place.  

Kolyat, I think, would still resent Thane even if Irikah hadn't been killed.  Thane was never there and Kolyat saw his mother's unhappiness firsthand while growing up.  Even if she had lived, Kolyat would probably carry that around for a long time, that's a hard thing to watch and experience.  I think, as things stand now, with Thane reuniting with Kolyat, it'll take time, but eventually the two of them will come to some  kind of understanding and acceptance of eachother.

EDIT: I'ma eat some mac n' cheese and just let it go.

Well said. I really want to see more of Thane's backstory.